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I don't see this as a competitor to netbooks. Netbooks run a full version of Windows, not a limited iPhone OS. They are also fairly inexpensive. I see this as being a big iPod Touch with 3G data capability. The problem is you still need to own a phone (I suppose you could downgrade to a dumb phone if you own this with 3G data) and you still need to own a notebook computer.

A full version of Windows that you can't do much with because of the screen and keyboard limitations.

That's not a flippant comment. If netbooks were that good, far more people would be buying them (and far fewer would be returning them). They have a rounding-error share of the market compared to "real" laptops, for reasons that are sound regardless of what us tech dorks think.

(Personally, I'm still waiting for my Dick Tracy communicator watch.)
 
Something like this???

While I would have liked built in GPS & both forward & back cameras, this seems like a pretty solid device. I don't have much need for one right now, but I could see something like this catching on.

"but I could see something like this catching on."??

Something like this??? What, something like this lump of ugliness?: <http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/the-hp-slate/>

Wake up! There is nothing like this. With iPad, Apple have once again redefined the way we interact. This is it. Gates predicted it. Ballmer announced it - twice, and Steve Jobs released it!

But I suppose intuition isn't in everyone's gift. Maybe when Apple announce sales results in January 2011, you'll get the message.
 
A least we now know what the next iPhone will look like - a shrunk version of the iPad... an aluminium shell will be genuinely nice. Very nice.

BUT

This is filling a 'gap' I fail to see.

Apple have said it themselves; it runs iPhone apps = no gap to fill.


Disappointing apple. You could have avoided a huge amount of criticism with background apps alone. There is very little new here.
 
Well, after the German government issued the warning regarding cordless phone use a few years ago, a flood of new "low-radiation" models came onto the market here. I would hardly call this "hampering innovation", but rather the opposite.

I don't know what scientific research they used (and - as it's past midnight - I'm on my way to bed so I'm not going to go to the gov. Web site at the moment to read the details), but if you can read German, it's all online. The German government - like other European governments - does not just arbitrarily issue warnings to scare its citizens (no, this is not the 1930's!), but bases such warnings on either evidence or strong likelihood of of potential harm. The warning did not read: "Stop using cordless phones altogether," but rather something like, "Exercise extra caution with them, always keep them docked when not in use and never sleep with them next to your head, etc." (if I remember correctly).

I hope this helps - again, I am not an anti-wireless fanatic (I even have have a cordless phone, although a "low-radiation" one and I always keep it docked when not in use), but I am mentioning all of this because I think most American readers are not aware of the potential risks. Basic principle: better safe than sorry! Enjoy the benefits and wonderful conveniences of wireless, but exercise common sense (e.g. avoid prolonged contact with sensitive "organic" areas of the body, etc.). We still have a lot to learn on this subject.

OK - now it's really time for me to go to bed! ;)

Thanks for taking the time to respond. Yours seems to be a sensible approach to the matter, so I wouldn't want to criticize you there. :)

I'm going to have to look up the German government's exact position on this. I can only assume that the Green Party has been at least in some way responsible for these warnings. But good for them , if there's any chance that this reduction in exposure to radiation is having a positive health impact.

You're absolutely right that one should be safe rather than sorry, I simply like to ideally make decisions on a scientific basis instead of relying on unsubstantiated suspicions of other people.
 
Closest thing I can find that says what OS the iPad runs.

*high-fives MacFly123*

We made it.

I have said for literally about a year and a half that it would run a hybrid of the iPhone OS. I never had a doubt. It is beyond logical when all information was taken into account. The Mac OS X people were simply delusional and now they are probably whining anyway! :rolleyes:

Yay for my accuracy streak remaining in the 90% range! :D :cool:
 
It has ASSISTED GPS, and only in the 3G enabled model. Without 3G coverage or a WiFi connection to get map data, it is almost useless (as is the iPhone under similar conditions).

In other words, don't plan on taking that big family trip "out west" and expect to know where you are using a iPad or iPhone, unless you buy a real GPS receiver and application (in which case, you might as well just buy a dashboard GPS).

Get yourself the TomTom App and the maps are stored on the device - so the lack of 3G or WiFi is no issue
 
how will they get their photos on it without a computer?

They could always use the old dell they already have. I bet there will be more "cloud" stuff as time goes on as well to make it truly useful with no computer at all.

For now, why should I buy this if I already have an iPhone?

You probably don't have much reason. I assume Apple is mainly trying to target the 90% of people who don't have an iPhone or touch.
 
on Flash... first of all, for the trolls who think Flash = poorly designed websites that take over your browser and are hard to navigate, there's a lot more in Flash than that. Funny thing is, Flash is in the iPhone and iPad. The UTube app is a Flash-based video player, and others are developing similar players. So Flash is there, but for some reason, perhaps security, they don'[t want Flash applications running in your browser on the iDevices.

Perhaps its because Apple is still pushing WebKit, perhaps it's just part of the pissing war Apple has with Adobe.
 
on Flash... first of all, for the trolls who think Flash = poorly designed websites that take over your browser and are hard to navigate, there's a lot more in Flash than that. Funny thing is, Flash is in the iPhone and iPad. The UTube app is a Flash-based video player, and others are developing similar players. So Flash is there, but for some reason, perhaps security, they don'[t want Flash applications running in your browser on the iDevices.

Perhaps its because Apple is still pushing WebKit, perhaps it's just part of the pissing war Apple has with Adobe.

I may be wrong, but I understood that the iPhone YouTube app utilises h.264 not flash.
 
on Flash... first of all, for the trolls who think Flash = poorly designed websites that take over your browser and are hard to navigate, there's a lot more in Flash than that. Funny thing is, Flash is in the iPhone and iPad. The UTube app is a Flash-based video player, and others are developing similar players. So Flash is there, but for some reason, perhaps security, they don'[t want Flash applications running in your browser on the iDevices.

Perhaps its because Apple is still pushing WebKit, perhaps it's just part of the pissing war Apple has with Adobe.
Hell, you can't even view CNN.
 
60 Days

At least apple will have no less than 60 days to realize what important features it left out have to go back onto the device, even if it is a rev. 1 product.
 
on Flash... first of all, for the trolls who think Flash = poorly designed websites that take over your browser and are hard to navigate, there's a lot more in Flash than that. Funny thing is, Flash is in the iPhone and iPad. The UTube app is a Flash-based video player, and others are developing similar players. So Flash is there, but for some reason, perhaps security, they don'[t want Flash applications running in your browser on the iDevices.

Perhaps its because Apple is still pushing WebKit, perhaps it's just part of the pissing war Apple has with Adobe.

The Youtube app plays H.264 video variants on the iPhone.

Apple users are not trolling about this!. The fact is that Flash crashes constantly on OSX and sucks every last ounce out of the CPU. It's so bad Apple had to write it out into it's own thread so that it didn't bring down Safari. If I were CEO of Adobe I'd be ashamed of it - i'd personally storm into the dev team and insist it got sorted regardless of cost.
 
Get yourself the TomTom App and the maps are stored on the device - so the lack of 3G or WiFi is no issue

Although (if I read the tech specs right) you need the 3G model to get the GPS hardware, so you can see maps offline with TomTom etc, but if you want it to tell you where you are, you need the 3G model.

Of course, hopefully Tom Tom and all the other Maps apps will be updated to give full res maps on the bigger screen.
 
Chiming in to say that no camera was a big bust on this release... i'm ok with most of the specs.. so its an oversize itouch/phone = ok by me. I'd much prefer to play some video game or watch a movie on this device than the tiny screen of an iphone.. and for email- oh how much better that would be while traveling.. my main woe is WHY oh why no camera?? They had built nearly thee perfect skype - video chat - keep in touch with your loved ones device and they missed the chance. I remember OLD AT&T ad's showing some fancy video phone saying 'who will bring this future technology to you? we will.." - or something along those lines. Well video phones hardly took off.. and the internet and webcams filled in the gap, but far from the romantic idea of just sitting on the couch and holding the persons mug in front of you. With a front facing camera and a fully enabled Skype [be it on wifi only] - this would have made a great over the top reason to get a bookreader/videoplayer/gamemachine/musicproducinggadget/voip-video connector.

It'll be hard, but I'll have to wait for rev. b
 
And what was wrong with the HP Tablet 2 weeks ago? Nobody really took a notice ... because it runs MS OS?

Of course nobody really took a notice, they didn't tell a single specification or give a price or release date (I believe the term is vaporware). What did you see that you took notice of?

Probably already been said, but this seems like a slower speed netbook with touchscreen capabilities

What do you base this "slower speed" comparison on (especially not having used it)? I can't say personally, but the comments from those with hands on experience were surprised how fast it was.

Tell me you're honestly going to sit this in your lap and watch a full length movie.

Heck, I do that right now on a NANO.

Actually that's not assisted GPS, what you are referring to is cell tower triangulation which is totally different.

PLEASE PEOPLE GO AND GET AN EDUCATION or at least do a simple Google search on assisted GPS to learn what it really is before you shoot off your big fat blubberous mouth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

To be fair, there are phones that have only triangulation that call it assisted GPS, if you actually read the wiki article it says the term can mean either one. Apple should really clarify, but it seems to be true GPS plus assist.
 
it's a monster iphone. period. no other thoughts
perhaps brand loyalty people will still buy it anyway:apple:
 
A least we now know what the next iPhone will look like - a shrunk version of the iPad... an aluminium shell will be genuinely nice. Very nice.

BUT

This is filling a 'gap' I fail to see.

Apple have said it themselves; it runs iPhone apps = no gap to fill.


Disappointing apple. You could have avoided a huge amount of criticism with background apps alone. There is very little new here.

i fail to see the target market, at the moment. i think it will be the 3rd party apps and content that will define the product.
 
A giant iPod Touch/iPhone. It is a pretty interesting device, but I can't figure out Who are the target customers. Oh, I forgot, many people will buy it just for the sake of having it so cool. I sincerely hope Apple keep their directions right, focus more on the functional products rather than these toys...
 
no, its a comparison. and exactly, o2 wants to charge us £7.50, which is the equivalent of about $12.50.

Where exactly did you find that? When I look at the O2 website, I find 1 month / 3GB for £15, 1 month / 10 GB for £30. For £7.50 you get Pay As You Go, 1 week, 1 GB limit.

Maybe you are confusing this with Broadband in your home for £7.50 per month for customers with mobile phone contract (£12.50 per month for customers without any mobile phone contract).
 
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