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Personally I think it's got a hell of a lot worse. I installed it and went back to 12.3.3, even though I never downgrade my software.
If you remove the sidebar you lose control on how to display your music which is mad

Agreed... it's a bag of sh*te now... That drop down media picker is tedious and nowhere near as functional as the previous icon setup. They've also removed the reset plays button from the right click menu???

How do you roll back?
 
Ahhh sooo much better than before. It still isn't anywhere close to years ago, but it's better than their 10/11/12 versions.
 
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Mixed bag. Still tinkering around the edges. I don't understand the mentality of the media picker thing, seems crazy to me. They moved one drop-down picker and put those categories back in the sidebar, then made another drop-down picker to put icons another click away. ?! :confused:
 
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Mixed bag. Still tinkering around the edges. I don't understand the mentality of the media picker thing, seems crazy to me. They moved one drop-down picker and put those categories back in the sidebar, then made another drop-down picker to put icons another click away. ?! :confused:

I agree. This should really be like Photos for Mac where you can choose to have all your navigation as tabs, or all of it in the sidebar.

iTunes has this goofy mix of sidebar, media picker, and tab bar and today's changes don't improve that in any meaningful way.
 
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First impressions for iTunes 12.4 on Windows:

+ You can hide the Sidebar by going to View > Hide/Show Sidebar (Ctrl+S)
+ Album artwork loads quicker.

- iTunes logo doesn't display in the taskbar
- No way to hide the menu
- Slower performance compared to previous version.

Sidebar is awesome, glad they brought it back as a default view.

Seems faster and smoother to me.
 
Anyone else notice that, in grid view for music, an album that is open will collapse again when the song changes? This is very annoying!
 
I love OS Update Day:

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Now, to do my Apple Watch. It was funny trying to find a camera w/ my devices out of commission. GoPro to the rescue.
I did something like that for the last 9.3 update. iPhone, iPad, MacBook Air, iMac and Apple TV. Updated the moment I woke up and while I was in the shower, and completed just as I was ready for leave for work.

Your dedication is admirable.
 
Loving this new return to form in iTunes 12.4! I hope they bring back the corner album art at the bottom left of the app like the old version used to have. Is this a possibility with 12.4 right now that I just don't know how to turn on?

I would love to see CoverFlow come back. That was my favourite way to navigate around my music collection.
 
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Hello sidebar, my old friend

Second comment welcoming back the sidebar. Did people not know you could always toggle the sidebar in iTunes 12 via the View menu? They just turned it on for everyone by default in this update (In addition to some very nice and logical reorganization).

That's way too many apps! It will never happen. If anything it will be Books, Videos, Music. 3 separate apps, no more. We already have iBooks, so take TV Shows and Movies out of iTunes and give them their own app, then keep iTunes Audio only and we're good to go.

I'm also against fragmenting the types of media into separate apps. I'm especially against splitting Apple Music (subscription) and traditional iTunes (owned, purchased and iTunes Matched). The goal was for all music to be in one place no matter the source. Splitting them up might help people get the two types of services straight in their head but now you have two libraries to think about. It can be confusing but it's not impossible to understand.
 
They ****ing butchered the UI. Why is there a stupid sidebar? Why isn't the artists sidebar transparent? Why is only the title bar colored as the album art and not the whole backdrop?

Just ****ing break iTunes up already.
 
I don't care for the reintroduced sidebar...is there an easy way to switch between song view and album view without the sidebar? In 12.3, there was that option on the top bar. The top bar is still there in 12.4 but now that option is gone.

Also, the "show duplicate songs" feature seems to have vanished, yet again. By "simpler", I guess they really meant less functional.

Edit: And crossfade songs doesn't even work anymore. Set my crossfade to the max 12 seconds and it doesn't crossfade at all. Goes all the way to the very end and then switches to the new song.

Horrible, Apple, horrible.
 
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I'm getting old or at least have little patience in new technologies but I still like the excitement of being an early adopter. When i was younger, playing through an entire album of today's hot new band or trying beta software or switching to Windows CE for a month to see what it's like was exciting and could have lead to me switching sides completely.

These days, I just put on a ColdPlay album from 2002 and buy whatever new iPhone is out. Trying new things takes a lot of effort and since my devices are business critical, I just stick with what I know.

That makes me an iSheep since I blindly trust Apple's products are giving me the best computing experience possible. I just don't have the time to try other platforms. It's not even about buying all new hardware, software. It's more about learning new workflows and habits.

I'm a Mac user who saw Steve Jobs live at keynotes a dozen times, went to Macworld /WWDC from 2003 - 2011. I love Apple and hope they're giving me the best technology that I pay an arm and leg for.

You make a very good point and I agree. Even though I'm not that old (or at least I don't feel that way), I felt the same way for a while of just sticking with Apple because I don't want to move everything I have to a new platform. I think the thing that triggered it for me is when I couldn't do my workflow smoothly anymore and spent time dealing with bugs and/or lost work. Also avoiding certain areas of an OS because I know it doesn't work spells bad news for the future of me using a product.

I think being comfortable in an ecosystem doesn't make you an iSheep. If it's not hampering you, then I get it. But you have to admit, the excitement isn't there. Not because they don't innovate, I think they still do. But because you now realize, it's awesome, but it's going to be buggy.

My life revolves around computers, mobile devices, etc (I'm a cross-platform developer so I still use Apple for some development). I'm just taking a lot of my apps to UWP now. I actually think it will grow as a platform since the apple app store is a bit congested now and outside of games it's impossible to make it as a developer. UWP is completely new and has so much room to grow and the adoption rates look good for developers. The APIs are still lacking a little, but MS is definitely addressing developers concerns and the fact that you can talk to their developers directly (sometimes, I have on many occasions) is paramount for success.
 
To me, they made some things slightly better, and some things worse. Certain operations that I do often now require double the number of clicks. I don't feel strongly about it. I will just take it. This is Apple now. I don't expect excellence anymore. I hope many people think it is an improvement.
 
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Having multiple devices plugged in at the same time is a PITA. You have to click done or click on the icon to switch devices. So stupid.
 
You now can edit whats in the side bar.

Hover your mouse cursor to the right of "Library" at the very top of the sidebar, an edit button appears.
 
You make a very good point and I agree. Even though I'm not that old (or at least I don't feel that way), I felt the same way for a while of just sticking with Apple because I don't want to move everything I have to a new platform. I think the thing that triggered it for me is when I couldn't do my workflow smoothly anymore and spent time dealing with bugs and/or lost work. Also avoiding certain areas of an OS because I know it doesn't work spells bad news for the future of me using a product.

I think being comfortable in an ecosystem doesn't make you an iSheep. If it's not hampering you, then I get it. But you have to admit, the excitement isn't there. Not because they don't innovate, I think they still do. But because you now realize, it's awesome, but it's going to be buggy.

My life revolves around computers, mobile devices, etc (I'm a cross-platform developer so I still use Apple for some development). I'm just taking a lot of my apps to UWP now. I actually think it will grow as a platform since the apple app store is a bit congested now and outside of games it's impossible to make it as a developer. UWP is completely new and has so much room to grow and the adoption rates look good for developers. The APIs are still lacking a little, but MS is definitely addressing developers concerns and the fact that you can talk to their developers directly (sometimes, I have on many occasions) is paramount for success.

All good points. the only issue I actually have with Apple (again, I'm not aware of what other companies are doing these days) is the cost. $800 once a year for an iPhone, $700 a year for an iPad, and every 2 years I update my MacBook Pro or iMac so that's $3,000 USD every 2 years to update one of my computers. I don't have to upgrade but I usually find it's a sweet spot for re-sale. I can sell my devices usually at 65% of what I paid so I just sold my late 2013 iMac for $1800 (it was $2400 new). My iPhone usually sells for $550 of the $800 I paid. So no I don't pay full price but I"m always amazed at how much the well equipped Apple hardware is compared to the other manufacture counterpart. Considering everyone uses ARM / X86, I don't always see why the iMac is $3K versus competition.

I could't imagine switching to Windows though.
 
All good points. the only issue I actually have with Apple (again, I'm not aware of what other companies are doing these days) is the cost. $800 once a year for an iPhone, $700 a year for an iPad, and every 2 years I update my MacBook Pro or iMac so that's $3,000 USD every 2 years...I can sell my devices usually at 65% of what I paid so...no I don't pay full price but I"m always amazed at how much the well equipped Apple hardware is compared to the other manufacture counterpart.

by your own math, you're spending $1k, not $3k. For a phone that's arguably the best in the world. I heard a discussion the other day of someone seeing Michael Dell using a non-iPhone, and realizing, "there's a billionaire, and I"m using a better phone!" The iPad and Macbook Pro or iMac aren't too shabby, either. :)
 
Did they get rid of the Control click on Album art > Shuffle option? I used that all the time.
 
This actually is a better upgrade than I had imagined. Bringing back the side panel is a huge improvement.
 
When in the "artist" view, at the top of the list on the left, you could click on recently added...but that's gone. I loved that feature.

UPDATE -- It's now in the sidebar, but shows the music in album cover mode. Ugh.
 
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"Drag and drop songs to easily add them to Playlists"

Apple: the only company who states in their software update releases that existing functions a somehow new and magical.

o_O
 
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