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Apple Releases iTunes 12.5.1 With Revamped Apple Music Design
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Could somebody please come up with a list of changes and known problems for this version?
I haven't updated yet, bet knowing Apple and their trend with iTunes, I'm seriously afraid that something is going to be messed up in my library. (What a dark age this is for Apple users, isn't it?)
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The subtle difference here is that you are paying way more for a Mac and its associated services (compared to any other PC brand with Windows), so one would expect a little more quality and dedication to make things actually work.
Personally I'm not that pissed off (since I've wisely adopted a policy of not updating anything made by Apple until a few days or weeks have passed, so I confirm nothing is broken). However, I can see why other user might be angry and they have every right to be.
I haven't updated yet, bet knowing Apple and their trend with iTunes, I'm seriously afraid that something is going to be messed up in my library. (What a dark age this is for Apple users, isn't it?)
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The subtle difference here is that you are paying way more for a Mac and its associated services (compared to any other PC brand with Windows), so one would expect a little more quality and dedication to make things actually work.
Personally I'm not that pissed off (since I've wisely adopted a policy of not updating anything made by Apple until a few days or weeks have passed, so I confirm nothing is broken). However, I can see why other user might be angry and they have every right to be.
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The alphabetical sorting by album titles still doesn't work properly. This condition has existed for a long time. Also, they still use two different alphabetical sorting algorithms; the playlists on the left put special characters and numbers first; the sorting within song titles and album titles puts them at the end. I do not understand why they can't fix things that simply do not work correctly before they spend time making the hearts red and the stars blue. Oh, and that reminds me, i do not like the outlined stars or half stars - they are distracting and make it just a bit more difficult to visually spot higher rated songs in a list. Why highlight something not selected?!
Apple makes it very hard but it is possible. You basically can find tutorials if you google downgrade iTunes however it involves downloading 2 third party softwares called shareware pacifist and another one something zapper they assist you in deleting all the iTunes 12.5 files then you have to find your original .dmg file for iTunes you want to put back on. It's a lot of work but it's possible just have to be very careful in doing it and also trust these 3rd party software downloads you need to do it.
I'm still considering it because I hate 12.5 and want to revert back to 12.4.3
I don't call have a single media player "bloatware". It probably doesn't need to be the App store for the iPhone and other devices and AppleTV should directly support NAS type devices. But the idea that having all media in one player is a bad thing. Well, it's the whole reason I have AppleTV and FireTV with KODI installed around the house in the first place. I want access to my entire media library from the comfort of my recliner in the home theater room. I can show photos on the big screen, sync music around the entire house and even start a movie in one room and continue in another all from an iTunes synced AppleTV server.
Bloated? With a 2016 CPU? Hardly. I ran AppleTV around the house just fine using a PowerMac Digital Audio from 2001 upgraded to SATA drives and a 1.8GHz G4 CPU just fine until 2012 when I replaced it with a Mac Mini. If it were as bloated as people say, an ancient computer like that wouldn't have worked too well as a server with it.
Some of us OWN huge CD collections and would NEVER buy LOW QUALITY COMPRESSED music from iTunes PERIOD. Entice? No thanks. I use Apple Lossless on AppleTV and KODI, not compressed MP3. You can keep your radio-on-a-phone service. Frankly, I think kids today spend WAY too much time on their damn phones. Live in the real world and you find a quality audio system deserves quality source material, not "bud" headphones on a phone pretending to be a TV.
My entire library fits quite nicely on a single 4TB hard drive that's smaller than my Mac Mini. Oh gawd that's ROUGH! And if my cable/Internet goes out, guess what? I still have music and movies! If Apple loses the rights to carry a given artist/album, I still have them. If Netflix or whatever stops showing say Magnum PI, I still can watch it! Oh parish the thought of the consumer being the boss instead of some guy in a suit deciding for you what you can and cannot watch at any given moment.
I am on macOS 10.11.6 and iTunes 12.4.3.1
I don't have Apple Music or any music on iCloud.
I have a very large library of mp3s, all with embedded artwork.
Are there any issues with iTunes 12.5.1 I should be concerned about?
Thanks
I don't have Apple Music or any music on iCloud.
I have a very large library of mp3s, all with embedded artwork.
Are there any issues with iTunes 12.5.1 I should be concerned about?
Thanks
Don't upgrade your itunes to 12.5 as you will see all blank mic's where you should see your artists artwork. Your embedded artwork will still be there but along the side bar when you click artists view on the left side are all these microphones bubbles (you can't get rid of their default and there to stay) but those microphone bubbles should have pictures of all your artists instead almost all of them will be missing except for maybe a few, it looks terrible and you also lose the cool color contrast with each album artwork, instead they removed the color contrast and give you all white, more and more white but worst of all is the font is so large.
Example
artist name say is this...but it will be this big plus bolded
ABBA
underneath all your artists names like above will be your song titles and play times like usual and that is all like normal font your use to. It looks so bad. It's like a 10 year old intern made this and Apple approved it. Seriously it's terrible looking not uniform at all.
And the few artist photographs that do show up are so tiny they're unrecognizable. So all Apple has done here is the addition of visual noise to the UI that actually makes it harder to read the Artist Name in the list.
It's dreadful. I've must've been asleep when they reviewed the UI.
^^exactly I forgot to mention that the mic bubbles are so small and no way to change it. Why on earth they decided to take away the square picture of your artist (which reminded you of an lp square picture) and change that to a small circle is terrible. It's so not uniform.
I literally just spent an hour downgrading iTunes 12.5.1 back to 12.4.3 just waiting to rebuild my 5562 songs library should be done in about 40 mins. Soon I'll have back my prior iTunes 12.4.3 the way it was because I updated. I should have known better than to update my iTunes.
I was so excited about updating my 6s to iOS 10 that I first found out before I could do that I needed iTunes 12.5.1 so I did that and then realized how they screwed up all the artwork and font and lost the cool color contrast and added more and more white. I knew at that point I didn't want ios10 on my phone so I stopped the download. I use the music app the most and can't afford to lose all the work I created in iTunes 12.4.3 so I've reverted back.
I literally just spent an hour downgrading iTunes 12.5.1 back to 12.4.3 just waiting to rebuild my 5562 songs library should be done in about 40 mins. Soon I'll have back my prior iTunes 12.4.3 the way it was because I updated. I should have known better than to update my iTunes.
I was so excited about updating my 6s to iOS 10 that I first found out before I could do that I needed iTunes 12.5.1 so I did that and then realized how they screwed up all the artwork and font and lost the cool color contrast and added more and more white. I knew at that point I didn't want ios10 on my phone so I stopped the download. I use the music app the most and can't afford to lose all the work I created in iTunes 12.4.3 so I've reverted back.
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Itunes has sucked since version 11.x (ditched Cover Flow which worked best for movies; no way to adjust art size in movies in icon view; list view is too big with artwork showing, etc. and has NEVER been addressed). Frankly, I've switched to KODI for most things, although there's still some music glitches ("Keep Audio Device Alive" doesn't fully work as it will sometimes briefly drop the signal between songs resulting in some external DACs missing the first note or two and photos are broken in 16.1 for large libraries (still using 15.2 here as a result) and developers are often not interested in fixing bugs they don't consider "important" there. Apple doesn't respond to most bug reports (let alone feature requests) period so it's a wash, really.
There's no frigging way they'll be able to respond to bug reports. Their entire software line is a giant mess. OS X, iOS, iTunes...
They slipped the rope in terms of simplicity and software development long ago.
Is there a section on these forums dedicated to iTunes where i can find out more info.
Since the update shuffle doesn't seem to work properly, i keep trying to shuffle an album but it keeps shuffling my whole library.
Also it cant even group albums together properly, it cant seem to recognise that "The Sex Pistols" is the same group as "Sex Pistols", the word "The" is confusing it.
Since the update shuffle doesn't seem to work properly, i keep trying to shuffle an album but it keeps shuffling my whole library.
Also it cant even group albums together properly, it cant seem to recognise that "The Sex Pistols" is the same group as "Sex Pistols", the word "The" is confusing it.
I'm not sure if the microphone icons in Artist View is a bug or by design, and also I'm not sure if Apple really knows or cares about it.
It is ugly as sin and they better find a way to correct it. As far as I can tell, it has nothing to do with music being purchased from iTunes or being ripped from CD or else. I have an Artist Icon visible on some of my iTunes purchased albums but not on some of the other iTunes purchased ones. I cannot find a logical pattern why it is visible on some and not on all of them. In fact some of the ripped from CD albums shows an Artist Icon yet some of the ones purchased from iTunes does not. To make matters more complicated, some of the Artist Icons invisible in iTunes are visible on my synced iPhone running IOS 10. Bizarre!
All I see is a consistent degradation in Apple's software. Each new version usually takes away features and it is less pleasant to use. iTunes, iMovie, Airport Utility, iPhoto vs Photos, and the new Disk Utility to name a few. Apple is becoming the Microsoft of the past decade.
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I can confirm the missing icons are not associated with downloaded, purchased, or anything else. Apple support has no idea what's going on. Even when I said to them the beta had reports of the same issue. His response was maybe they don't have images for all the artists..... WOW
This is exactly what I saw as well when I updated iTunes, there was no pattern because some of my purchased music had artist photos in the bubbles and some didn't. The same for my own music CDs I imported some had the artist pictures in the bubbles while others had the blank mic. Most had the blank mic pic. It's crazy. I couldn't stand the look of it and downgraded back to 12.4.3
Until they fix all that and fix the large font issue I won't be upgrading. I also like the color blending for each album on 12.4.3 and think that adds a classy look, it also helps take away all that stark white theme now put back into 12.5
They did respond several versions ago (say 2010 or 2011) when my PPC version for my PowerMac server kept causing kernel panics. To their credit, they actually responded and sent me a new version and it fixed the problem. I can't say I've had a reply since then for any reports other than iTunes store purchase issues.
I meant the new Apple, the one under Tim Cook's lead. The one responsable for OS X Vista (aka every OS X release after Mountain Lion) and the constant degradation of iOS since version 7.
What about your iTunes setting in Preferences/Advanced? If it's set to check for automatic updates of iTunes there, your App Store setting might not matter.
I didn't realize iTunes was still relevant. In the open cross platform world I enjoy iTunes is a relic I never give a second thought to.
Cross platform is irrelevant if you use M4V for everything (i.e. everything I can run in iTunes, I can run in KODI, etc.). iTunes is still the most convenient, IMO to run on your Mac if you are playing music. Things like KODI are designed for remote use and aren't terribly convenient for quick song selection in the background in a window.
I'd be curious what you do use since iTunes is such a "relic".
This one sucks so bad... It's more hard to find what I want.
I used to go to top charts and click genres so I can see top charts by genres,
but there's no genres tap in top charts anymore (in macOS)
It seems like they don't know what would be intuitive no more.
And they made It looks like this app is for elders.
You want people to see what they are looking for easily so made it bigger.
What a thoughtful idea, Geniuses.
I used to go to top charts and click genres so I can see top charts by genres,
but there's no genres tap in top charts anymore (in macOS)
It seems like they don't know what would be intuitive no more.
And they made It looks like this app is for elders.
You want people to see what they are looking for easily so made it bigger.
What a thoughtful idea, Geniuses.