Thanks for the reply. I figured out what happened: I needed to update to 10.3.3, whereupon the Applications section was clickable and displayed 9 old apps that won't work in 11. I promptly deleted those apps, none of which I used anymore anyway, and Applications went back to being unclickable. (Ditto on my iPad.) Thanks again.
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Apple Releases iTunes 12.7 With Major Changes, Including No Built-In App Store
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Thanks for the reply. I figured out what happened: I needed to update to 10.3.3, whereupon the Applications section was clickable and displayed 9 old apps that won't work in 11. I promptly deleted those apps, none of which I used anymore anyway, and Applications went back to being unclickable. (Ditto on my iPad.) Thanks again.
Didn't Apple at one time say that the iPad was an extension of the computer, not a replacement for the computer?
But many people decided that the iPad was all the computer that they needed or wanted. So Apple changed tune (and later iTunes).
It is funny and annoying how Apple tends to proclaim something as though it is absolute truth, and then sometime later proclaim the opposite as though it is absolute truth.
Also Apple is a champion of diversity and tolerance--except that it dislikes users having a diversity of choices in how they download and update apps, and it is intolerant of users having different preferences to Apple's.
There is a word that begins with "h" for what Apple does.
Okay, I've read all 27 pages but still see no answers to the following questions that arose within:
1. Does anyone know why the Apps folder survives the iTunes 12.7 update if apps can no longer be downloaded within iTunes? Will apps be backed up to this folder during an iPhone/Mac sync? If not, is it safe to delete the Apps folder and reclaim all of that space?
2. Someone many pages ago claimed that non-Apple e-books will no longer sync via the iBooks app. Is that true? The vast majority of my iBooks collection is non-Apple PDFs.
Thanks for all feedback.
1. Does anyone know why the Apps folder survives the iTunes 12.7 update if apps can no longer be downloaded within iTunes? Will apps be backed up to this folder during an iPhone/Mac sync? If not, is it safe to delete the Apps folder and reclaim all of that space?
2. Someone many pages ago claimed that non-Apple e-books will no longer sync via the iBooks app. Is that true? The vast majority of my iBooks collection is non-Apple PDFs.
Thanks for all feedback.
By the way, if you have another copy of iTunes 12.6 on another drive, it will still work after the upgrade to 12.7, even the apps section and the store. At least it seemed to for me. I only did a sync and app download to be ok when I buy a new iPhone soon. I synced such that all of my phone apps are stored on my computer, so I should be able to immediately get everything up and running the same on a new iPhone.
Does iTunes 12.6 work with iOS 11? Only 12.7 advertises compatibility.
Hey! Yes, my method of transferring ringtones works the same way with PDF Files.
I just synced just to be sure.
As far as the App Store goes, I'm not sure what to tell you there, buddy.
In case you were wondering, the instructions to sync Ringtones, and PDF Files to the iPhone is:
Hi! I had the same question! Here is what I've done as a current work around.
Find the File. Make sure it meets the Standard Ringtone Format (30 Seconds Long, Saved in a .M4R format)
Plug your iOS Device into iTunes.
Click on the Phone on the Upper Left Corner, and click on "Tones," Under "This Device."
Go back to Windows Explorer (Assuming you're using a windows computer)
Drag the .M4R File to Tones, under this device and it should sync over.
I can upload a video to YouTube if you'd like a visual.
Make Sure You have the option that says "Manually Manage Music and Videos" checked in iTunes, and you'll be all good to go.
Hey! Yes, my method of transferring ringtones works the same way with PDF Files.
I just synced just to be sure.
As far as the App Store goes, I'm not sure what to tell you there, buddy.
In case you were wondering, the instructions to sync Ringtones, and PDF Files to the iPhone is:
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Thanks, but I'm on a Mac (and I'm hoping to keep using iBooks for syncing).
Now that I don't know since I didn't want to update either so quick. I intend to keep IOS 10.3.3 on one phone and IOS 11 on a new one, but I didn't want to lose all my 32 bit apps in the process or any apps for that matter.
As far as I can tell, all of my apps are still on my Mac, so if you want to delete them, that's more than 1GB saved, but I don't, at least not yet.
Although IOS 11 was being tested the whole time while iTunes 12.6 was the only option on Macs, so it must be compatible.
Meanwhile, I'm on Windows and can run any version of iTunes I want, independent of the operating system choice.
The horrors of control of my own computer.
We didn't have to do that. Even if I was using an older version of iOS or iTunes, I always had the choice of how I got the app on devices. I can download direct from Apple as everyone will be doing if they are on 12.7, or I could pick and choose and sync from my machine.
You're trying to make this out as progressing to some new advanced way of doing things from the dark ages, but we've had that ability for some time. All it really is, is another example of Apple restricting how people use their devices moreso.
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Try dragging an app from a folder in finder to the iPhone in iTunes when it is connected, it should work, same for PDFs.
I'm sure the process is the same. I'll fiddle around with it at work tomorrow and I'll let everyone know how it went. ^^
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OH! What you can use, as a temporary work around, is upload your PDF's to iCloud Drive!
I'm only up to reading page 13 of 27 pages, but when I started there was only 23 pages to read, so I'm going to pause for a bit to post this dilemma.
Between myself, my wife and my 3 college aged kids (5 of us) we have 6 macs, 6 iPhones, and 5 iPads to use with one iTunes Store account (we each also have an iCloud ID for our personal data). We also have three older iPod Nano and one iPod classic to which we sync music and movies.
We have 5 Macs set up to use iTunes, so we hit the limit of 5 computers, with one for each of us to be able to automatically download content and apps, which we can then sync to as many of our iPhones, iPads, or iPods as we use. But we are only allowed to have 10 total devices set up to automatically download content or to just download previously purchased content, out of our 16 devices.
So the other 5 slots for downloading previously purchased content are used up by 5 of the 6 iPhones. At this point, all 10 slots are taken. The 6th iPhone and all 5 iPads can ONLY get their data and apps sync'd to them via iTunes, since there are no more slots left for downloading previously purchased content. (However, the 6th iPhone is now on my eldest daughter's personal iCloud account, so she can buy her own content on her phone with her money, and use the family account on her MacBook for everything we bought as a family).
How is this 10 device limit going to work when we can no longer download apps to our Macs to sync them onto our remaining iPhones and iPads anymore?!?!?!
I forgot about this limit and just now went to set up automatic iBook and app downloads on my iPhone and I can't - not enough slots, because my wife started to use her iPad as one of the 10 while on a trip this week. I'll have to de-authorize her iPad in our iTunes account if I want to download anything on my iPhone 7+.
Between myself, my wife and my 3 college aged kids (5 of us) we have 6 macs, 6 iPhones, and 5 iPads to use with one iTunes Store account (we each also have an iCloud ID for our personal data). We also have three older iPod Nano and one iPod classic to which we sync music and movies.
We have 5 Macs set up to use iTunes, so we hit the limit of 5 computers, with one for each of us to be able to automatically download content and apps, which we can then sync to as many of our iPhones, iPads, or iPods as we use. But we are only allowed to have 10 total devices set up to automatically download content or to just download previously purchased content, out of our 16 devices.
So the other 5 slots for downloading previously purchased content are used up by 5 of the 6 iPhones. At this point, all 10 slots are taken. The 6th iPhone and all 5 iPads can ONLY get their data and apps sync'd to them via iTunes, since there are no more slots left for downloading previously purchased content. (However, the 6th iPhone is now on my eldest daughter's personal iCloud account, so she can buy her own content on her phone with her money, and use the family account on her MacBook for everything we bought as a family).
How is this 10 device limit going to work when we can no longer download apps to our Macs to sync them onto our remaining iPhones and iPads anymore?!?!?!
I forgot about this limit and just now went to set up automatic iBook and app downloads on my iPhone and I can't - not enough slots, because my wife started to use her iPad as one of the 10 while on a trip this week. I'll have to de-authorize her iPad in our iTunes account if I want to download anything on my iPhone 7+.
I agree that iTunes is not the place for app management. So why didn't they move the iOS App Store functionality from iTunes to... the macOS App Store app? Have a drop down menu with all your devices (Mac, iPhone, iPad etc.) so you can switch between each library. Have all the app downloads, backup, restore, reset and management where it belongs in a single app.
Is this not the logical next step for Apple to take?
Is this not the logical next step for Apple to take?
I'm only up to reading page 13 of 27 pages, but when I started there was only 23 pages to read, so I'm going to pause for a bit to post this dilemma.
Between myself, my wife and my 3 college aged kids (5 of us) we have 6 macs, 6 iPhones, and 5 iPads to use with one iTunes Store account (we each also have an iCloud ID for our personal data). We also have three older iPod Nano and one iPod classic to which we sync music and movies.
We have 5 Macs set up to use iTunes, so we hit the limit of 5 computers, with one for each of us to be able to automatically download content and apps, which we can then sync to as many of our iPhones, iPads, or iPods as we use. But we are only allowed to have 10 total devices set up to automatically download content or to just download previously purchased content, out of our 16 devices.
So the other 5 slots for downloading previously purchased content are used up by 5 of the 6 iPhones. At this point, all 10 slots are taken. The 6th iPhone and all 5 iPads can ONLY get their data and apps sync'd to them via iTunes, since there are no more slots left for downloading previously purchased content. (However, the 6th iPhone is now on my eldest daughter's personal iCloud account, so she can buy her own content on her phone with her money, and use the family account on her MacBook for everything we bought as a family).
How is this 10 device limit going to work when we can no longer download apps to our Macs to sync them onto our remaining iPhones and iPads anymore?!?!?!
I forgot about this limit and just now went to set up automatic iBook and app downloads on my iPhone and I can't - not enough slots, because my wife started to use her iPad as one of the 10 while on a trip this week. I'll have to de-authorize her iPad in our iTunes account if I want to download anything on my iPhone 7+.
Listen.
It's really not safe to share Apple iD's with Multiple People. It can cause you havoc and a huge mess. Like your family members can start getting messages of another person's private text messages or Phone calls. Everyone's Call Logs get affected by it and it can cause other issues as well, like if one person is having issues with Apple's Services, then everyone is affected and basically stuck with a phone that's useless- unless you have skype or a Land Line to Call Apple support. Trust me. I've seen it get really bad and it can be frustrating to clean up, especially if you have to call support for help. I'm going to save you a lot of heartache and frustration if you hear me out.
The only thing I can really tell you, is to sign everyone else out of their devices, sign in with their own accounts, and you guys can set up Family Sharing. That way everyone can manage their own devices, without having to lose their purchases. That way everyone can be happy.
You can create an Apple iD here:
https://appleid.apple.com/account#!&page=create
Here is some articles about Family Sharing that I Found on the Apple Website:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201088
https://www.apple.com/icloud/family-sharing/
https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht201079
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203046
If you want to save yourself alot of heart ache,
You can follow this link,
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204071
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204053
Or Call Apple Support and have them walk you through it.
I wish you luck, Buddy.
No, but I have multiple apple devices and find it easier to have automatic downloads set to 'on' and merely delete ones I don't end up wanting on certain devices.
Windows? No thanks, I'm not a masochist.
I'd say the same thing about the price/performance ratio of Apple mainstream desktops.
Yes, it works the same as it did before - you can choose albums (with Photos on macOS) or folders (on Windows,) to sync. They just didn't make any improvements to the interface - obviously desiring/assuming people will just use iCloud rather than iTunes synced photos.
Yes, downloading updates is still working, but there are no "Get" or "Buy" button on the apps anymore - so only update works - at least so it was for me.
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FYI - Yesterday, with iOS 10.3.3 on my spare iPhone 6, I backed it up to iTunes 12.6.2 on my iMac, and then restored via iTunes USB to a slightly damaged iPhone (so I could wipe my mint 6 to give to my daughter).
It appears that everything went back onto the next iPhone from the Mac via USB except for (1) photos that were re-downloaded as thumbnails from iCloud Photo Library via Wifi, and (2) the Apps that downloaded from the App Store over Wifi.
My app data and media files were restored from iTunes via USB, as were all my settings; but even after iTunes said it was done restoring I could see that the apps were still being installed onto the phone long after the Mac was done.
Restoring my apps used up over 30GB of my data allowance from my ISP, basically to re-download the apps that are already on my iMac! So, Apple at some point had already started making our iDevices download from the App Store over Wifi when restoring from backups, even before iOS 11 and iTunes 12.7.
The main reason I usually don't restore from iCloud backups is that (1) It uses a lot of bandwidth on my capped high speed internet, (2) I always get the message that the restore wasn't complete and that I still need to plug into iTunes to finish syncing, and (3) my music files would usually download as lower res files and not the higher res I have selected in iTunes
(NOTE - I have my music stored in the iCloud with iTunes Music Library [iTML] so I can access everything on my several ATV, but iTunes only uploads my lossless ALAC files as 256K, and I don't use iTML on the iPhone because I don't need 1500 playlists on my tiny iPhone screen and just sync 100-200 playlists at a time. So, restoring an iCloud backup puts the 256K music on my phone and not the original ALAC files that are in iTunes).
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Now, without being able to DL in iTunes, you have to turn wifi hotspot on another iPhone or iPad, and connect your iPhone to it via wifi, and then you can download apps and bypass the 100mb limit the App Store imposes on cellular downloads. But our family of 5 already uses 20-25GB of our 30GB data plan, so that wouldn't work for us. Good thing for broadband internet, until they started capping our limits there.
It appears that everything went back onto the next iPhone from the Mac via USB except for (1) photos that were re-downloaded as thumbnails from iCloud Photo Library via Wifi, and (2) the Apps that downloaded from the App Store over Wifi.
My app data and media files were restored from iTunes via USB, as were all my settings; but even after iTunes said it was done restoring I could see that the apps were still being installed onto the phone long after the Mac was done.
Restoring my apps used up over 30GB of my data allowance from my ISP, basically to re-download the apps that are already on my iMac! So, Apple at some point had already started making our iDevices download from the App Store over Wifi when restoring from backups, even before iOS 11 and iTunes 12.7.
The main reason I usually don't restore from iCloud backups is that (1) It uses a lot of bandwidth on my capped high speed internet, (2) I always get the message that the restore wasn't complete and that I still need to plug into iTunes to finish syncing, and (3) my music files would usually download as lower res files and not the higher res I have selected in iTunes
(NOTE - I have my music stored in the iCloud with iTunes Music Library [iTML] so I can access everything on my several ATV, but iTunes only uploads my lossless ALAC files as 256K, and I don't use iTML on the iPhone because I don't need 1500 playlists on my tiny iPhone screen and just sync 100-200 playlists at a time. So, restoring an iCloud backup puts the 256K music on my phone and not the original ALAC files that are in iTunes).
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I already answered it here twice
But with the latest iTunes it's not possible anymore.
Now, without being able to DL in iTunes, you have to turn wifi hotspot on another iPhone or iPad, and connect your iPhone to it via wifi, and then you can download apps and bypass the 100mb limit the App Store imposes on cellular downloads. But our family of 5 already uses 20-25GB of our 30GB data plan, so that wouldn't work for us. Good thing for broadband internet, until they started capping our limits there.
I have a different but similar problem. There have been times when an app has gone on sale or free and I did not have enough space on my ipad. So I would just download it to my computer for use later. Now I can't do that and that blows.
But this update blows for all the reasons mentioned in this thread too. No organization? Come on. There HAD to be a better way to handle this with much better communication instead of just shoving this update out so quickly that even tech support doesn't know what is going on. That's just bad management.
The real "one more thing" and not in a good way.
Yeah, you don't get the option to get iTunes as a beta version if you are a normal dp/beta tester - I can't remember if it ever has been possible ??
Because I don't know how, plus I've got the workflow perfected as is, so I don't appreciate being forced to learn how to do it some other way against my wishes. I planned to get the iPhone X, which will force me to upgrade my software.
+1
Apparently, the iTunes dev team forgot that a few people still use their computer for internet browsing. Like every single Mac, Win user.
I’ve been so pissed about the removal of the App Store and not being able to use the Mac as a single point to download updates to, I didn’t even think about web links. Yikes. Lots of happy app developers out there... wow.
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Thanks but it won't let you install as "A Newer Version" is installed, any suggestions