Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
People have gotten upset with Amazon for censoring, altering or outright deleting books they bought through Kindle. Apple is going the same route. Buy stuff that doesn't exist and you never own that can be erased from a device you bought but they say you don't own anymore either. You own nothing but they keep your money. A new OS "upgrade" makes your older device unusable and slow? Too bad you're not allowed to re-install older system software. Now we won't even let you interface one Apple device to another except in the way we choose and only in ways that encourage or force you to buy more stuff you won't own from our store!
I forgot to add one thing to my post:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ary-update-forces-users-to-pay-again.2023270/

I also gave up buying new contents from the Apple-Store when I updated an app (english dictionary, that we all know don't need new updates often) and the developer rendered it useless, unless I paid for it again. Funny thing is that this update was somehow removed later, the Apple-Store didn't notify me anymore of it.

Of course I removed the version that wanted me to pay for it again and had the previous one downloaded from Apple-Store installed in its place (with help from the old .IPA). With this last iTunes update? Not possible. And this was a paid app, I am not even talking about a free one that received a new version that did that.

Also think about apps that had some feature removed, such as the players who were forced to disable support for a codec or apps that are capable of downloading Youtube videos. Yep, no way to save a .IPA file, no way to continue using these.

This is what Apple does in benefit of its users. You can all be damn sure this sort of expedient is not unique from that dictionary case. With each new iOS or small change they are going to exploit us to buy new devices or contents and remove all our freedom.

Most (developed) countries have laws (created by these large corporations) that don't allow users to create a backup for private use (in a few others like Brazil this is legal), and when you buy Windows or any other OS you don't own the thing, meaning you can't install in more than one machine or create a backup by circumventing technological protection measures.

When we create a copy of an app or any other stuff we download (free or paid) we are only making sure that we can use later and protect ourselves against arbitrary removal or if we want to use an old OS version with it. Or if the app got an awful version and we want to switch back to another one.

For God sakes, we can't even revert to a previous iOS version! And when a new one is released, it is downloaded even if we didn't ask for it (the download can be removed, yet it keeps pestering you again).

Tomorrow Apple is going to force us to update iOS regardless of our wishes, or modify iOS in a way that even using this iTunes version that allows copying .IPA won't work. Do you want to bet that will happen, too?

And you know what that means, right? Years from now the iPADs or iPhones sold today will become useless (as in not capable of running smoothly iOS). Planned obsolescence, for devices that already have this limitation due to the limited charge cycles their battery can have.

In the future we won't be able to buy a new battery unless we pay for half the price of the new iPAD/iPhone.

All these abuses have to stop. I never jailbroken my devices. With this last antic from Apple I won't support them any longer and will consider that option. When any respect for faithful customers cease to exist (and I have only bought from them since 2012) it's time to either move to another company or give up playing by their rules. I advise anyone reading me to fight for your freedom, since Apple never will.

They only care about extending their control over us.
 
Are you 100% sure about that ? I 'm on the US App store for most apps but I switch from time to time to the French one to update some apps.
My iCloud settings is the French one. So this is a very important feature for me !
PLEASE let me know . TIA
I am sure, I myself switch between different iTunes/App stores on my iOS devices regularly. My iCloud login is Swiss one and I use the App & iTunes Stores in three additional countries.
[doublepost=1505390931][/doublepost]
Then why are people offering workarounds using command line interfaces before High Sierra rolls out?

Why does Apple not just say in their release notes "... and if you have multiple iOS devices, no problem, just do this: " and then link to the app you speak of.
This is the kind of workaround that Apple would never link to in release notes. At best they might have a support article on it. But Apple is very good at keeping the consumer and the institutional side apart. You might need to open an 'institutional account' with them to even access those tools.
[doublepost=1505391023][/doublepost]
It is not a fact but a conspiracy theory. It's clear the limit is set by Apple, not carriers or their wishes, or Android would have it too. Also the world is big and carriers are different. I have an unlimited data plan, I can stream movies in Full HD and they eat more bandwidth than any app updates. I can do everything, the only thing I can't do is to update/install an app over 100 Mb. That's just stupid.
And can you tell me one single reason why Apple would set this limit, except at the request of carriers?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Yptcn
I managed all my ringtones from with iTunes. The worst part is, I have auto-updates turned OFF on my Mac and it installed the latest version anyway. No more custom ringtones.

Dumbasses.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Kevenly
Yes, you do, but the point of switching to another country is to access something that isn't available in your current country, meaning you have to create that AppleID anyway. And you don't need to add any method of payment to create an AppleID.
Well no, as I said in my posts , the reason I do it is I like to see comments ( either before buying, or in case of bugs to see if other users are reporting the same problems) on some apps from other countries. There are apps for which there are zero comments in France ( where I live ), and many dozens of comments in the US or Uk Appstore.
 
Well no, as I said in my posts , the reason I do it is I like to see comments ( either before buying, or in case of bugs to see if other users are reporting the same problems) on some apps from other countries. There are apps for which there are zero comments in France ( where I live ), and many dozens of comments in the US or Uk Appstore.
And creating AppleIDs for these two countries would kill you?
 
That restriction only applies if you enable automatic download of music, movies or TV shows (as in automatically downloading on device B if purchased on device A). I constantly switch between accounts from different countries with no issues.

My experience has been different. But perhaps I had automatic download enabled. I will try again with fresh new Apple IDs and see..
 
People are saying this is a good thing, they don’t realise the lost functionality. If they want to improve iTunes performance and make it less cluttered, completely removing features like this isn’t the answer. I agree with it, but I also think there should be another application for syncing devices and managing apps.

I think it is fine to finally start de-cluttering iTunes and make it more a one purpose app instead of a all purpose app but at the same time they need to release a new app that keeps the functionality.

To me right now is fine - there are no old apps that I keep around but there have been in the past.
[doublepost=1505393749][/doublepost]iTunes apparently didn't delete all the apps in the iTunes music folder. Not sure for what reason you want to keep them.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Appleaker
I think it is fine to finally start de-cluttering iTunes and make it more a one purpose app instead of a all purpose app but at the same time they need to release a new app that keeps the functionality.

To me right now is fine - there are no old apps that I keep around but there have been in the past.

I agree. I am all for Apple taking the bloat out of iTunes. It has been way too long coming. Perhaps they will actually put in some new features. However, I think there does need to be a separate app to manage iDevices, their apps, backups, etc. Perhaps they will add this in the Mac App Store?
 
  • Like
Reactions: CmdrLaForge
I agree. I am all for Apple taking the bloat out of iTunes. It has been way too long coming. Perhaps they will actually put in some new features. However, I think there does need to be a separate app to manage iDevices, their apps, backups, etc. Perhaps they will add this in the Mac App Store?

Configurator 2. It's already there. It's been mentioned a lot In this thread.
 
I do a fair amount of research on my computer before I go download some apps.

Not having access to the iTunes app store from my computer will reduce the amount of money I spend on apps.
 
I do a fair amount of research on my computer before I go download some apps.

Not having access to the iTunes app store from my computer will reduce the amount of money I spend on apps.

You still have the same access. It's more convoluted, but app listings still have web pages you can access for reviews etc in safari.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Melrose
You still have the same access. It's more convoluted, but app listings still have web pages you can access for reviews etc in safari.

Ah, I see. I stand corrected - I misunderstood exactly what changed. Thanks for clarifying. :)
 
Yep! Also, I had to do a restore recently (as one of the iOS 11 betas caused an issue) and not long after the restore had completed, login prompts popped up asking me to log in to each of my accounts as it re-downloaded all the apps from my four countries.

That's good to know , I've always ,so far switched App stores for updates even if I did notice a couple of times ,when App Store is on my main  ID , the same I use for iCloud (French) that it prompted me for my US  ID for updates . But not the other way around , meaning if I'm on US App Store , I am not prompted for french updates .
 
Well, my Mac just updated iTunes without my consent.

I have auto updates turned off, and this is the only piece of software that was automatically updated.

The problem is: I have apps which are no longer in the app store which I intended to reload on my phone before updating my software. What are my options?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Melrose
Apple needs to make that 100 MB limit optional, and simply warn anyone about data usage when they try to disable it. I can't believe it's 2017 and the same strict 100 MB limit is in place.

I agree, although I also think it's pretty absurd that it's 2017 and at least 20% of of the country's net access via "broadband" is actually still via DSL and often at less than 6Mbs rated download speed.

All the more reason for Apple not to have considered the app store "sync" option in iTunes an obsolete feature. Take it out, fine, but make a generally available app manager app to replace it and so still allow for one download and sync to multiple iOS devices.

Some ISPs that provide DSL still have a clause in the TOS that says btw there's a 5GB cap on monthly usage. Yeah, five GB a month. Not likely enforced on regular subscribers for years now, imo and likely was meant to give them a way to boot subscribers who ended up downloading literally torrents off torrent lol... but the term is there anyway for whenever they decide to make an exception to current practice. So I can see such a cap getting triggered when someone with four or five phones in their household upgrades and restores... Think about how fat some of those apps are now, even Apple's utility productivity apps are big.
 
Well, my Mac just updated iTunes without my consent.

I have auto updates turned off, and this is the only piece of software that was automatically updated.

The problem is: I have apps which are no longer in the app store which I intended to reload on my phone before updating my software. What are my options?

Same happened to me. It's not a life ruining experience, but it does piss me off.
 
I fear that this is just a harbinger of future Apple simplifications.

Steve Jobs understood the importance of putting the user experience first. Figure out what people want and need, and design a better way for them to do it. When he was at the helm that's how it worked. There were mistakes but he'd correct them. The volume buttons came back, for example. The folks running Apple think they know what they are doing but they obviously don't get it at all. They have twisted designing new things for consumer needs into a bizarre game of try to herd and force consumers to things that do not serve, help or accommodate them in any way, all the while hiding behind the Apple's past reputation of innovation. They aren't innovating anymore they are manipulating. Running off the steam of when they actually did innovate and provide products people "didn't know they wanted", now it's trying to manipulate you into accepting bad situations and products and demanding that you want it and like it. If you care about how they are stripping you of your past investments you are "against change" and a grumpy old obsolete uncool person unable to adapt. Lots of social engineering but nothing good left for the consumer.
 
On my internet connection it take about 20 minutes to download a GB. So if I want to re-do a 256 GB device and fill it with apps, it would take more than 4 straight day. Through a USB cable it would only take about 3 hours.

Probably by the next iteration of iPhone the lightning port will be deleted, leaving all connections to Wifi/cellular, including any syncing, which will be through the cloud.
 
I do a fair amount of research on my computer before I go download some apps.

Not having access to the iTunes app store from my computer will reduce the amount of money I spend on apps.

Same here. 95% of the 1500 or so apps that I bought were from discovering them first through the iTunes app store then I'd buy it from there. When I'm at home, I don't use my cell phone at all except to call someone. Apple will lose money from me with what they've done. Cheaper for me though lost revenue for Apple. Also left a bad feeling as I feel that Apple let me down, to leave me manage large apps library on an iPhone and also remove the ability for me to support my parents remotely with apps via iTunes when I remote desktop into their computer leaves me in a very difficult situation as I won't be able to easily manage my own library nor my parents. No alternative is provided so Apple has to me taken a major step backwards. I do support streamlining iTunes although Apple should have at least provided an alternative to manage apps from a Mac.

I filled a feedback form from Apple, apparently engineers read these so the more people file a feedback complaint the more likely Apple will reconsider and provide a solution:

https://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html
 
It seems to be working now. Yesterday the option to delete didn't appear for me. Thanks ;)

The check boxes were grayed to for me too yesterday even though I don't want to delete any . I actually was so happy they were still there :)

EDIT : I checked , I still can't delete any but no problem into adding them .
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: JetBlack7
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.