Then maybe you could try what I've written here: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...lt-in-app-store.2066504/page-15#post-25010564
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Apple Releases iTunes 12.7 With Major Changes, Including No Built-In App Store
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The link works fine, just will not install as a newer version is installedIf you are trying to download 12.6.2 using the link posted, and macOS is preventing you from doing so, then use a VM if you have one installed, or use a PC then copy across using a thumb drive. You will also need to uninstall / remove 12.7.0, which involves some skill and/or patience. Unless of course you have a Time Machine Backup...
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You can also find a complete list of iTunes releases here:
https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-6562#versions
Also with direct links.
Enjoy
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This removal of the App Store in iTunes is another in a long line of missteps. My Mobile Apps folder is over 300 GB and has 4838 apps. For 8 years I have backed up every version as I update and have filled 52 blu-ray disks. That way I can use old devices and manage them however I want without the internet. Now I am going to have to keep a computer with iTunes 12.6 to allow me to manage my devices. On my internet connection it take about 20 minutes to download a GB. So if I want to re-do a 256 GB device and fill it with apps, it would take more than 4 straight day. Through a USB cable it would only take about 3 hours.
I fear that this is just a harbinger of future Apple simplifications. We've already lost jacks and buttons on the iPhone, ports and optical drives on the Mac. The 2012 MacMini was too speedy with a quad-core i7 and that would cannibalise sales of desktop Macs. The 17-inch laptops were also too close to a portable desktop replacement so they had to go. Now we are in the midst of simplification of icons and the removal of colour. I still remember the old black and white Macs and how great it was to get colour screens with detailed icons. Now, Apple has reverted back to grey and simple for the sidebar. iTunes was almost ruined a few years ago with the removal of the sidebar. Also the album art was limited to virtually a thumbnail. Apple reversed that finally but now we get punched in the gut again with iTunes.
To make the MacOS more like iOS we will probably see the elimination of the Finder because Apple can organise our Apps and our documents better to help us focus. I had always hoped to get a finder in iOS so I can get more icons on a page arranged how I want but I don't ever see that happening now. Perhaps one day we can expect a message that our printer drivers were removed because paper use hurts the trees.
It is a sad day for long-time Apple users who have invested heavily. For all of those who are new to Apple device this might not seem like that big a deal. I have already sent in feedback. PLEASE we need others to do the same!
I fear that this is just a harbinger of future Apple simplifications. We've already lost jacks and buttons on the iPhone, ports and optical drives on the Mac. The 2012 MacMini was too speedy with a quad-core i7 and that would cannibalise sales of desktop Macs. The 17-inch laptops were also too close to a portable desktop replacement so they had to go. Now we are in the midst of simplification of icons and the removal of colour. I still remember the old black and white Macs and how great it was to get colour screens with detailed icons. Now, Apple has reverted back to grey and simple for the sidebar. iTunes was almost ruined a few years ago with the removal of the sidebar. Also the album art was limited to virtually a thumbnail. Apple reversed that finally but now we get punched in the gut again with iTunes.
To make the MacOS more like iOS we will probably see the elimination of the Finder because Apple can organise our Apps and our documents better to help us focus. I had always hoped to get a finder in iOS so I can get more icons on a page arranged how I want but I don't ever see that happening now. Perhaps one day we can expect a message that our printer drivers were removed because paper use hurts the trees.
It is a sad day for long-time Apple users who have invested heavily. For all of those who are new to Apple device this might not seem like that big a deal. I have already sent in feedback. PLEASE we need others to do the same!
In a day filled with surprises, Apple has shocked us once again with the release of iTunes 12.7, which entirely revamps the iTunes App. The new iTunes is designed to focus solely on music, movies, TV shows, podcasts, and audiobooks, which means there is no built-in App Store.
The App Store has been entirely eliminated in iTunes 12.7, as has the ringtones section of iTunes. Internet Radio is now part of Music, and iTunes U has been folded into Podcasts, as Apple announced in late August.
Apps can now only be downloaded on an iOS device using an iOS device, and the same goes for ringtones. In addition to the removal of the App Store, today's update adds support for syncing iOS 11 devices and includes support for new Apple Music features that allow you to follow friends and see what they're listening to. The new iTunes 12.7 update can be downloaded from the Mac App Store through the Software Update mechanism. The update is available for all iTunes users at no cost.
Article Link: Apple Releases iTunes 12.7 With Major Changes, Including No Built-In App Store
OTOH, an iOS app nowadays tend to be not a single zip file (i.e. IPA archive), but one of several permutations as according to each supported device (iPad/iPhone, 2x/3x graphics, 32/64 bits for iOS 10 and below, etc) and hence an IPA archive for iPhone 7 Plus may not be compatible for iPhone 5, despite both running on iOS 10. Add on-demand resources to the mix and hopefully you know the reason why requiring the device to download the app.
I have apps from four different apple IDs (I move around!). As they're already installed, they update automatically on my phone (iOS11) and iPad (iOS 9.3.5). If I want to install new ones, I simply log out of the current ID and log in with the one I'm interested in. There's no link to the ID iCloud is logged in with. Note that the setting has moved as in iOS11 there's a "iTunes and App Store" section where one logs in/out of the App Store.
I can do the same on my iPad Pro - but on my iPhone 6 I need to change the iCloud, iMessage and FaceTime log in as well, otherwise changing my Apple ID in "iTunes and App Store" will just complain about it.
And I'm running iOS 11 GM on both devices.
What about Windows?
And if I need to install previously version of App? For example, without bug. How I can download it from any AppStore? No way. Anf what about deleted Apps from AppStore?
I`ve pulled the trigger yesterday...
You can sync App documents here:
If someone already posted this, sorry! I don´t have time to read the whole thread.
You can sync App documents here:
If someone already posted this, sorry! I don´t have time to read the whole thread.
Listen.
It's really not safe to share Apple iD's with Multiple People. It can cause you havoc and a huge mess. Like your family members can start getting messages of another person's private text messages or Phone calls. Everyone's Call Logs get affected by it and it can cause other issues as well, like if one person is having issues with Apple's Services, then everyone is affected and basically stuck with a phone that's useless- unless you have skype or a Land Line to Call Apple support. Trust me. I've seen it get really bad and it can be frustrating to clean up, especially if you have to call support for help. I'm going to save you a lot of heartache and frustration if you hear me out.
The only thing I can really tell you, is to sign everyone else out of their devices, sign in with their own accounts, and you guys can set up Family Sharing. That way everyone can manage their own devices, without having to lose their purchases. That way everyone can be happy.
You can create an Apple iD here:
https://appleid.apple.com/account#!&page=create
Here is some articles about Family Sharing that I Found on the Apple Website:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201088
https://www.apple.com/icloud/family-sharing/
https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht201079
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203046
If you want to save yourself alot of heart ache,
You can follow this link,
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204071
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204053
Or Call Apple Support and have them walk you through it.
I wish you luck, Buddy.
It's more complicated than you think. I appreciate the suggestion, and hope you can answer my questions below. Part of this long essay is my effort to problem solve, not make it TL;DR.
PRIVACY:
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Before Family Sharing was available, we had to find a way to make it work. And after sharing came out it was so buggy that we were warned away from using it. We had already set it up the right way - each of the 5 of us (me, my wife, and kids) are all signed into our own private iCloud account for personal data (contacts, calendar, notes, reminders, iMessage, FaceTime etc). We just use a shared ID for the store - my original .mac Apple ID from 2003 before anyone needed an iCloud account.
So we don't share call logs, or get the other's private messages, etc. We use the shared iCloud account only for our iTunes Store and App Store purchases, or home sharing ID for Apple TV and iCloud music sharing and such.
What I don't like is that the kids can access my private PDF files on the iBooks cloud with the shared iTunes account, so I started to save them in adobe acrobat's cloud instead. But this does give us a family calendar and notes we can share, separate from our private ones on our personal Apple ID.
PURCHASES:
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Because we had too many iPhones and iPads for the 10 device limit, my eldest daughter has iTunes on her MacBook logged into the shared account, but her iPhone is logged into the iTunes store with her personal apple ID. She typically would sync everything from Mac to phone via iTunes anyway, and if she needed something desperately while away from the Mac she could buy it on her phone and later sync it back onto her MacBook (where everything is merged and MacBook is authorized for both apple ID).
She turned out to like the idea of buying music and movies that would always be hers if she was to be cut off from the shared iTunes account. She's transfer content to her Mac, and with home sharing we could access it if we had our Macs authorized for her Apple ID too (three of us have done so).
All the kids know that they can do the same thing, having their personal account on their iPhone iTunes Store and the family account on their Mac, and if they want to buy something that I don't want to approve paying for (especially as they get older) then they can buy it on their phone. Then they can transfer those purchases from phone to Mac and merge everything, and sync everything to the phone as they wish. They only have to authorize their Mac for both Apple ID. That was before iTunes 12.7 and no more download apps on the mac - this won't work anymore if they have to re-buy all their apps on their phone with their own ID.
FINANCES:
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With family sharing I HAVE TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING, while the way we have it set up now I don't. Before iTunes 12.7 they can buy apps on their mac with my Apple ID and send it to their phone, or buy them on their phone with their Apple ID and transfer it back to iTunes, and sync apps and media back and forth whenever they want.
It looks like I'll have no choice now but to set up "family sharing" with the wife and kids and invite them to join, so that everyone will be able to download Apps on all their devices (5 apple ID x 10 devices each), now that iTunes 12.7 won't let them sync the apps to all their devices (10 device limit with 16 devices).
What I don't like about family sharing:
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(1) "After you set up your family, any time a family member initiates a new purchase it will be billed directly to your account, unless that family member has gift or store credit. First, their store credit will be used to pay the partial or total bill. The remainder will bill to the family organizer's card."
My concern - The way we have it set up, if I pay for it it's mine and if they pay for it on their mobile device it's theirs. But Apple says that won't be the case anymore, unless they're generous enough to buy an Apple gift card and apply the credit to their account. With Millenials these days I doubt this.
(2) "Once paid for, a purchased item is added to the account of the family member who initiated the purchase. In other words, the content belongs to them, much as it would if you were buying them a book or a DVD. If Family Sharing is ever disabled, each member will keep the purchases they initiated, even though they were paid for by the family organizer."
My concern - losing content I paid for. If I am the head of "my family" and they are a member of "my family", can they later set themselves up as the head of "their new family" when they marry, and share with their family member without having to leave "my family"?
Otherwise I'd lose access to all the content they bought with my money and shared with me, once they set up their own "new shared family". I understand that only their purchased content will be available to "their new family", and not mine or "my family" members content. Does this sound like it would work?
(3) What happens if we're already sharing location in "Find my Friends"? I see that they will also now show up in "Find My iPhone" - but can they also accidentally mark my phone as lost and lock me out, or remotely wipe data like we can if an iPhone is lost and we go to iCloud.com to find it?
(4) I want to keep purchasing media and apps with the same Apple ID as before (iTunes music library), while using my second Apple ID for my personal iCloud services (my iPhoto cloud library, contacts, calendars, etc). I don't want to have my purchases spread across both of my Apple IDs.
If I use my oldest Apple ID that I always use for purchases as the parent account, then it's the wrong one for location sharing or find my iPhone, etc. And, I can't share my 2TB iCloud storage because it's on my personal iCloud account, and not the one with all my music and apps.
FIX - I suppose I'd have to put both a of my Apple ID in the family sharing (it does allow for 6 members, and there are 6 Apple IDs between the 5 of us). I'd have to make the iTunes Store Apple ID as the parent, and invite my personal Apple ID to join the family.
Then I'd have to buy a 2TB storage with the parent account and move everything over? But at least we could save from the wife and kids having 50-200GB storage on top of my 2TB of which I'm using 10%. How would this move work if we all have iCloud photo library turned on in our own upgraded personal iCloud accounts?
I thought I would share a way to have 12.6 installed and not have 12.7 be downloaded or updated. The process is a bit involved and requires using root in a terminal.
So, here we go:
That should all that you need to do to have iTunes 12.6 safe from updates. To test, you could open the App Store and see if there are any iTune updates.
I hope it all works for you.
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You can delete the 12.7 iTunes app in the terminal:
sudo -s
cd /Applications/
rm -rf iTunes.app
you might also have to delete the file ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes\ Library.itl if you'd opened 12.7
So, here we go:
- open the terminal application
- become root:
sudo -s - go to the Applications directory:
cd /Applications - rename the iTunes.app directory:
mv iTunes.app iTunez.app - make the new directory hidden:
chflags hidden iTunez.app - create a symlink so iTunes.app exists:
ln -s iTunez.app iTunes.app - go to the sub directory containing the executable file:
cd iTunez.app/Contents/MacOS/ - rename the iTunes binary:
mv iTunes iTunes.bin - create a new iTunes file - if you know how to use a terminal type edit (i.e., vi) use that, otherwise use these commands:
echo '#!/usr/bin/env bash' > iTunes
echo 'exec $0.bin' >> iTunes - make the new file executable:
chmod 755 iTunes
That should all that you need to do to have iTunes 12.6 safe from updates. To test, you could open the App Store and see if there are any iTune updates.
I hope it all works for you.
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You can delete the 12.7 iTunes app in the terminal:
sudo -s
cd /Applications/
rm -rf iTunes.app
you might also have to delete the file ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes\ Library.itl if you'd opened 12.7
To do that, you'll have to create an Apple ID with an address in the country you want to switch to. You will have to do that for EVERY country. On top of it, you are only allowed to switch to another country once every 90 days.
I know, because I've tried it before.
On the desktop iTunes, all you had to do is click on the little flag at the bottom right, and choose another country. Done.
Basically Apple has killed the option to even look at the stores of other countries.
Only if you try to change the country of an Apple ID. You can create, say, 4 apple IDs in four different countries and log in and out of them every few seconds if you wish. I have four, and it works perfectly.
Thank you soooooooo very much !
Let me get it strait , your apps from different countries update without have to change stores ?
Many thanks for your response, however just getting "Operation not permitted" Is this because I am using the Public Beta on this machine
On which command are you getting that error? It could be that Apple has extended the System Integrity Protection to the /Applications/* directories as well (If so, I'll not be updating)
If you use the "Apple Configurator 2" app, you can still download and update apps from multiple Apple IDs - as you also could with iTunes.
1. Connect the device with USB
2. Sign in under Account:
3. Choose Update in the menu:
A more detailed description can be found here: http://krypted.com/apple-configurator/upgrade-devices-and-apps-using-apple-configurator-2/
The Apps are downloaded to:
Code:~/Library/Group Containers/K36BKF7T3D.group.com.apple.configurator/Library/Caches/Assets/TemporaryItems/MobileApps/
I’ve got to admit I’ve had a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to this change. But I think I’ve found solutions to most of the annoyances and even some benefits.
Problem 1
I like to sometimes purchase apps on sale and not install them.
Solution 1
I can purchase them on my device and choose install but hit the stop button to stop the download.
Problem 2
I liked to organise my apps in iTunes.
Solution 2
In iOS 11 offloading apps is a great feature. I can organise offloaded apps into folders on a spare screen without them taking up space and simply click them when I need to use them.
Problem 3
Downloading big apps.
Solution 3
Thanks to rlarsen_eu
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-releases-itunes-12-7-with-major-changes-including-no-built-in-app-store.2066504/page-15 - post-25010564
I discovered Apple Configurator 2, which is free on the App Store. The reviews slate it but it works well for me, maybe the reviewers have complex, odd setups, but for personal use it works great so far. I thought it’s only an enterprise app but I can sign in with my personal iTunes account too. I can download any apps I’ve purchased using my Mac’s internet connection and sync them across. It’s actually quicker than using iTunes, as it’s only doing one thing whereas iTunes tries to backup, sync music, and install apps and sometimes falls over itself. It also has the handy table view with customisable columns, which makes it easier to find apps.
So I'm starting to think having more focused apps is a good thing <o_o> ducks for cover
Apple Configurator 2 screenshot
And you're running them all as root?
sudo -s
this should be the first command you type into the terminal (enter your password when prompted)
I do recall that long ago, sudo would not operate properly if the account didn't have a password - so if you don't have a password set, you could try setting one for the purpose of this (and then remove it afterwards)
Yep! Also, I had to do a restore recently (as one of the iOS 11 betas caused an issue) and not long after the restore had completed, login prompts popped up asking me to log in to each of my accounts as it re-downloaded all the apps from my four countries.
Consider using Configurator 2 to manage your extra devices' apps before you go in on Family Sharing, given the above concerns you have.
So after that, are you still getting the errors?
If so, you might be able to do the removal of 12.7 in recovery mode (command + R on boot), then boot into macOS to install 12.6, back to recovery mode to modify the 12.6 iTunes.
Or you could try disabling System Integrity Protection:
- boot into recovery mode,
- open the terminal app
- type: csrutil disable
- reboot
Yes, you do, but the point of switching to another country is to access something that isn't available in your current country, meaning you have to create that AppleID anyway. And you don't need to add any method of payment to create an AppleID.
That restriction only applies if you enable automatic download of music, movies or TV shows (as in automatically downloading on device B if purchased on device A). I constantly switch between accounts from different countries with no issues.
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Yes, but on iOS devices these downloads happen in the background, at night even. Only if you have data cap do these things really sting (and one of the things I disable when I am under a data cap is automatic app updates).
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