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You find twice as many people being positive about an update to be a sad state of affairs?! That's a rather dark perspective on things. :confused:

Now, a media/music player running close to 200 Mb and which biggest appreciation right now seem to be usable artwork speeds from the company that reinvented personal music players on the other hand... For the record (no pun intended), I haven't voted either positive or negative since the voting system mostly seem to serve as grounds for more bickering. Call me neutral.

I am actually saying the opposite, that 1 out of 3 votes being negative is a disgrace.

@Brau

Yeah but you said this sholud have been there months ago, been there for what?so users couldn't use it since there were no touch screen iMacs?
 
Yes, love whatever they did with making artwork display so much faster.

However putting iTunes through a diet using Xslimmer stripped out roughly 128 Mb, from 177 Mb down to 49.7 Mb... 72% weight loss?! :eek: I'm not on a SSD yet but I don't fancy keeping cruft anyway. Well, as a result it starts even faster and as far as I can tell, works just fine.

I wish they would update the installer to only install what's needed for your machine (for all apps) or at least, separate PowerPC and Intel versions. After all, look what it did to Snow Leopard (in terms of space usage).

Well, my October 2009 iMac has a 2 TB hard drive. So the 128 MB saved by Xslimmer is .0064% of my hard drive.

Admittedly on a 200 GB SSD you save .064%, but still. Say a 200 GB SSD is $500. The 128 MB you save is worth $0.32. Which is not nothing, but if you're making $10 per hour that's two minutes work.

Clearly Apple leaves some "cruft" in its releases (either on purpose or not). But the first time you spend five or ten hours tracking down why some function on your computer doesn't work and you discover it's some downstream impact of you removing cruft from various applications, you'll switch away from unneeded optimizations.
 
When are they going to re-write this pig in cocoa? It always feels like running a 1972 Plymouth. Big and sort of kludgy.

Rewriting it in Cocoa is not going to make it any snappier.

And by the way, my Dad's old '64 Plymouth Fury III says you hurt its feelings.
 
:( This is widely known, and officially-recognized issue, too.

I don't believe it's a CANT DUPLICATE or WONTFIX bug, so I guess it will have to wait for 9.2.2 or 10.6.5.

I really hope something is being done. I am yet to see a mac running iTunes 9.2 that does not have the problem. The issue is supposedly being investigated under Problem ID # 8118486 at apple bug reports but I have no idea how to check on any progress.
 
Parallels is an excellent disc. As a die-hard Fate's fan it doesn't touch Perfect Symmetry or their masterpiece, No Exit.

Ray Adler is awesome as a new voice after John Arch left [love the old stuff], but I think we can agree that even with A Pleasant Shade of Gray trying to make up for Inside Out, it was losing Frank Aresti to techno that just killed it for many die-hard fans.

Nice to see another Fates Warning fan. Having them in college during their No Exit and later days only added to those college days.

Funny that it took me a VERY long time to discover FW as a good band, even though I am a longtime listener of excellent heavy and prog groups such as Dream Theater, Iron Maiden and Threshold...they've been kept under my music radar for a long time and that is not good :D
 
Perhaps you weren't paying attention to this part of the post?


Some people just need a simple media program that does its job, and not everybody pays attention to the underlying runnings of the program.

Perfection lies in different places for different users. Not your call to make here. What might be a disaster to you might be perfect for someone else, but what could be a perfect program in your eyes could be a complicated mess for others.

My $0.02

Thanks, that's exactly what I meant...especially when the poster above said two interesting things:

1 - There is no visible substitute to iTunes, which is indeed the best media player on Earth;

2 - his reference to arcane things such as AppleScript, CoreGL or search functions (that work perfectly fine for me) are baffling...show me ONE media player software that manages 100Gb of varied data with a unified UI, with extensive tagging capabilities and without ever crashing...that's my point with iTunes.

Of course things could be EVEN better (for example, I don't like when I type a first letter when Album by Year is selected and it doesn't go to the first tagged band, but instead to some dance artist I have on some compilation album lines below)...other than that, I have absolutely no negative comments to make.
 
I think you forgot something of value there, Vader buddy... like a launch time quote?! I was originally quoting DMann earlier since he spoke about a 2-second launch but if you want to share yours... shoot.

Anyway, good to know you've decided to backup every album in existence. :D

Keep trolling.
 
Unless it breaks something on your machine.

That's true.

I wasn't very clear. The software had just been released, the thread just up, and I had noticed negative comments from the start. It seemed to me that if people were made at a bad update, they would actually write about the problems caused.
 
I grab the missing album covers from Amazon... which is where I buy most of my CDs.

If iTunes can't find it, I find the cd artwork on the internet by running an image search for the album, find it anywhere, then drag and drop the image right into iTunes, in the lower left corner where it says "drag artwork here"

If the artwork is not anywhere on the internet, then I don't know.

Google the album, find the artwork...when all else fails...

www.bing.com

use the image search. i used to use Google and Amazon, but bing has the best image search for album covers

I use Album Art Exchange. That is where I get all my high res pictures from. It's really a great site and takes all the searching out of the equation. :D

While these methods work, it adds quite a bit to the file size by adding the artwork yourself. Especially for large "best of" albums like the one at hand.

Adding a 336 KB artwork file to the tracks added about 15 MB to the album.

I do like albumartexchange, though. Thanks for sharing!
 
Clearly Apple leaves some "cruft" in its releases (either on purpose or not). But the first time you spend five or ten hours tracking down why some function on your computer doesn't work and you discover it's some downstream impact of you removing cruft from various applications, you'll switch away from unneeded optimizations.

At one time I wouldn't have bothered trimming the fat either. This time I was specially interested to see what numbers would come out of it. You don't find it in the slightest, to be a bit much that about 72% of the app is just cruft (useless space waste) for anyone using Snow Leopard at least?

So $500 for a 200 Gb SSD alone on a computer that costs ~$1200 just so I am able to keep all the crap around you say?

Where I live a 200 Gb SSD is more like ~$850 so at the moment anything larger than 80 Gb (~$250) is not worth it imo. This was my starting point, care to recalculate with those numbers?

Either way, if you don't want to bother about Xslimmer then don't, but don't go on prejudice alone. I've used Xslimmer every now and then for about a year now and nothing bad has come of it so far. My plan if anything will surface and I don't find a solution within a few minutes, I reinstall the app in question and try again from there. That is yet to happen however. What sense or need would there be in it for me to keep beating around the bush for five (or ten) whole hours when I might know the cause already?

Yeah, I know... I'm just lucky, right? Anyway, I'm only reporting what I found since I'm one of those odd people who prefer empirical evidence above rumors and superstition, especially when talking about computers and gadgets.

Yeah but my perspective wasn't positive...:rolleyes:

Glad you've finally caught on. I was trying to tell you this the first time but "no go, Joe". What would your reasons be to willfully make a negative issue out of positive news regarding an update most people (myself included) likes?
 
Keep trolling.

Well, I asked DMann how he had gotten his launch time down to 2 seconds with a 'fairly large library'...

Then you choose to reply to let the world know you have an excessively large library but didn't present any launch time quotes?! It's like saying you have a hard disk when someone asks you about the capacity. Or replying with capacity when asked for speed... :rolleyes:

How is that trolling? Are you willfully dense? :confused:
 
So I updated and iTunes has become completely unusable during syncing with my iPhone. I used to have to wait a couple of seconds, depending on how much I was adding/removing and then I could use it during most of the syncing process, but now I cant do anything (even just skipping a song or minimising).

Has anyone else experienced this? If so, any advice on how to make it better?
 
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