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probably a new round of iPod models coming very soon. Apple loves to force you to upgrade to the very latest iTunes wether you want too or not, just so you can use the latest iPods. Apple has you right where they want you!

Clarify their motives... Assuming the bug fixes are just a hoax hiding a darker purpose, what do they gain by convincing people to do a mass download of a minor update to a free program?
 
In all sincerity, iTunes is now much, much snappier!

Yes, love whatever they did with making artwork display so much faster.

However putting iTunes through a diet using Xslimmer stripped out roughly 128 Mb, from 177 Mb down to 49.7 Mb... 72% weight loss?! :eek: I'm not on a SSD yet but I don't fancy keeping cruft anyway. Well, as a result it starts even faster and as far as I can tell, works just fine.

I wish they would update the installer to only install what's needed for your machine (for all apps) or at least, separate PowerPC and Intel versions. After all, look what it did to Snow Leopard (in terms of space usage).
 
Uhm… Some hickups with iTunes for the first time!

iTunes 9.2.1 (on MBP 3.1, OS X 10.6.4) wouldn't recognize my iPhone 3G w. iOS 4.0.1. I plugged it on and off several times and waited 5 minutes or so. Nada. I could not quit iTunes regulary—only via Activity Monitor with a forced shutdown.

After a new start of MBP iTunes showed my iPhone but it still didn't find any app updates (there should have been some app updates because iPhone shows them). When I clicked on "Search for updates" it did… nothing.

Okay. It needed 15 minutes (!) and then 40 updates showed up.

I have 2,150 apps on my MBP maybe it's that. But it worked before that iTunes update with some errors when updating more than 40 apps—I had to do it manually. The 40 updates are downloading automatically now.

Downloading a free app with iTunes. Works fine.

Sync with iPhone: Works fine. And seemingly faster than before. :eek:

That's a lot of apps :eek:! 10x my selection. And I'm a big fan of updates - seeing 40 would be just too much lol.

It might have something to do with it. While on the topic of updates, they really could improve the apps 'check for updates' button. It is not even obvious that it is a button - perhaps go for more like the podcasts 'refresh' button? And it is also quite a small target area, and with its tendency to take a few seconds to bring up the 'no updates' dialog, I often end up clicking it twice or more thinking that I missed it the first time ... and I click it often.
 
In what respects? I honestly felt that iTunes 9.2 already had achieved pretty much optimal snappiness (with obvious exceptions being device-synching and video).

(This is on a Macbook Core Duo 2Ghz w/SSD btw.)

It seems to open a heck of a lot faster than previous versions... but then I ran iDefrag today, so that may explain the speed! :eek:
 
Just updated to 9.2.1 on my 2008 Mac Pro. Synced my original iPhone, ejected it, and soon thereafter the dock "rebooted" and dashboard reset itself, during which time I could not switch applications. No problems with itunes prior except for artwork not updating for a little bit after adding it to an album.
 
In what respects? I honestly felt that iTunes 9.2 already had achieved pretty much optimal snappiness (with obvious exceptions being device-synching and video).

(This is on a Macbook Core Duo 2Ghz w/SSD btw.)

Start-up for one thing, now under two seconds, with a fairly large library.

Responsiveness seems also faster, not excluding syncing and downloads/uploads.

Scrolling through Coverflow has been tweaked, better momentum scrolling throughout.

Nice update overall.
 
Start-up for one thing, now under two seconds, with a fairly large library.

How large is a fairly large library? What kind of a Mac monster rig are you running this on?

It takes at least twice that if not three times as long starting iTunes on my 2.53 Ghz MacBook with a 50 Gb library and all artwork processed earlier... Not counting subsequent relaunches. If relaunched directly then it's down to ~2 seconds.

I'd love to know if there's some secret option or something because I would prefer to have it ready one step short of instantly. :)
 
When are they going to re-write this pig in cocoa? It always feels like running a 1972 Plymouth. Big and sort of kludgy.
 
Same here; iTunes is simply perfect for me...will update anyway.

I don't want to call anyone out, but, seriously, have you people no standards? Perfect?
Let's just go through some obvious iTunes flaws:

- They don't use core graphics and GL to draw Coverflow, instead they use some crappy home-grown routines. The result is that you see see VERY obvious aliasing in any artwork that incorporates very thin lines.

- Drag some files from the bottom of a long playlist up to the top. You can't move them to where they should go to be dropped at the very top of the playlist, only to position number 2 --- and the grey line that is drawn indicating where they will drop is drawn on top of the first line of text, not between lines. (Maybe this is one of the drag and drop bugs that was fixed.)

- The interaction with Applescript is mind-numbingly slow. (No idea if this is Applescript's fault, since iTunes is the only app I really script, but whoever's fault it is, it is pathetic and really needs fixing.)

- The multi-threading is somewhat dodgy with some operations run multithreaded, but many not. For example, as I recall, conversion of a large number of files from one format to another is not run on multiple CPUs, even though it's trivially parallelizable; likewise for the on-the-fly conversion to AAC 128kb/s when connected to an iPod; likewise for the scanning of imported material for volume leveling.

- it still offers no facilities for variable speed playback of audio (like any iPod) or video (like QuickTime)

etc etc etc

And these are just the technical problems. The app has become a UI horror as it tries to be every more things while locked into a single UI paradigm --- now we have an attempt to organize PDFs and eBooks added to the mix.

The search facilities remain crappy --- good luck trying to find something if you can't remember if goes in the podcasts section or the book section.

The ordering of TV shows continues to be fscked up beyond belief and to make no sense to anyone. There is a larger problem with ordering in that there is no way to establish secondary orderings (eg order music by Year, but within a year, order by Artist).

iTunes is an acceptable program, and I am unaware of any program on any platform that does a better job; but that is FAR from claiming it's perfect.
 
Scrolling through Coverflow has been tweaked, better momentum scrolling throughout.

Agreed. Coverflow feel is definitely better, feels more like on an iPhone. But the actual drawing remains their crappy custom routines, not the sophisticated OS X graphics routines, and so still does not anti-alias. Still very obvious jaggies on the upper and lower edges of every "perspectived" album cover.
 
I doubt they will ever separate individual services from iTunes. Why write more programs when you already have one that does it all. Waste of time. I do think iTunes is in need of a name change though. Something all encompassing like iStudio, iPlayer or iContent. I'm sure they can come up with something better but there is no logical reason for it to just be called iTunes anymore.
 
How large is a fairly large library? What kind of a Mac monster rig are you running this on?

On Octa-core Mac Pro, 16GB RAM and a Quad-core 27" iMac, 16GB RAM. Library sizes of 85GB and 45GB, respectively.

I'd love to know if there's some secret option or something because I would prefer to have it ready one step short of instantly. :)

I, too, am really looking forward to the Cocoa rewrite - hopefully by 10.7, if not sooner.


Agreed. Coverflow feel is definitely better, feels more like on an iPhone. But the actual drawing remains their crappy custom routines, not the sophisticated OS X graphics routines, and so still does not anti-alias. Still very obvious jaggies on the upper and lower edges of every "perspectived" album cover.
Quite true.

Hopefully, we'll see Core Graphics and GL implemented in Cocoa iTunes.
 
If you have some space left in the Menu Bar, maybe you can give a iTunes Controller, like for example GimmeSomeTune a shot. I find it is really convenient :)


Well thanks to both of you, each one of those apps are cool but unfortunately GimmeSomeTune doesn't offer Mute and while Coversutra does offer mute in iTunes, it requires iTunes to be the active window and then I need to perform a 2 key command to perform mute. I usually keep my negative opinions about Apple to myself but this one is very annoying of them to remove the mute option from the Dock icon. Sometimes I just don't get their decisions.
 
(Maybe this is one of the drag and drop bugs that was fixed.)

the biggest drag-and-drop annoyance i've had has been when slow responsiveness results in dragging a bunch of tracks onto an unintended playlist. with no "undo" for that operation, it can be a pain to fix the damage. hope the update fixes that...

The search facilities remain crappy --- good luck trying to find something if you can't remember if goes in the podcasts section or the book section

why not just search the whole library? or use various smart playlists if you still can't find what you're looking for?
 
Then don't update. Unless an update resolves a security problem, fixes something you were experiencing, or adds support for something you need support for, don't update!

but you see, the problem is that almost any update, no matter how minor or issue-specific, tends to bear the descriptive phrase, "Addresses other issues that improve stability and performance." therefore if you don't update you might never know what improvements you're missing. devious!
 
Just hope it speeds up interaction with my 3GS, 3G, and first-gen Touch.

Haven't seen any issues with my 3GS but my 1G iPod Touch takes an absolute age to sync, I've never known any of my iPods going back to the 3rd gen stock to sync as slowly as my 1G Touch. I'm sure it synced quite quickly back when it was new...?
 
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