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If you don't have an iPhone or iPad and you're not a gamer, is there any good reason to instal this update?

A build of 10.6.6 has already been seeded, and I assume this will be out soon to support the new App Store.
 
Well I just checked and they STILL haven't fixed the font spacing issue on the Help menu. Pathetic.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. SL actually introduced this 'feature' when it came out and 5 updates later it's still there.
 
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He's talking about bugs. What you're summing up here are exactly that: bugs! Bugs can be security related, they don't have to be though.


Which again is completely wrong. OS X, Linux and Windows have different release and development cycles. These cycles sometimes dictate when they release bug fixes and patch sets (10.6.5 and the like are patch sets). Microsoft wanted to control the load on their servers (actually its Akamais) so they changed their patch release schedule to the Tuesday patchday as we now know it. This means you can plan ahead as an IT professional which you can not do with Linux/OS X. On the other hand this causes a very very big problem: you have to wait for a fix which you don't with Linux/OS X. That's why Microsoft is lagging behind when things go bad regarding security of their products. Open source projects such as Firefox and Linux tend to respond an awful lot faster.

Due to the open nature regarding open source products it is very easy to check for bugs. The closed nature of Microsoft does not allow you to do this. That's the main reason why open source products have a lot more bug fixes than closed source ones. However this is not entirely true since you need people looking for bugs and fixing them. Since OS X uses quite a lot of open source it is not uncommon that it'll receive quite a lot of updates at times. Then again, there is Adobe Flash which eats away 42% of the security fixes in 10.6.5 (you don't get those with Windows; you need to redownload Flash yourself)! As you can imagine with Flash gone in future releases of OS X as well as Java this will decrease the amount of bug fixes.

And then we have something called severity and impact. The amount of bugs found do not say anything about those two aspects. Yet those two aspects define "risk" which is the most important thing about a bug. That's what you want to use when talking about bugs. That combined with the amount of time they need to get the bug resolved is what defines if a piece of software is utter crap or not.

So the only thing you're actually saying is that you have absolutely no clue what on earth you're talking about. In other words, move along, nothing to talk about...

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Ontopic: I've seen two Macs that had their firewall switched off after being updated. One Mac still had the firewall turned on. They prolly have changed something regarding firewalling on the other machines I guess.

What a long winded response that does nothing to address my assertion. Security bugs are one thing - resolving an issue when dragging contacts from Address Book to iCal is an entirely different matter. The majority of fixes for Win 7 have been security related, the majority of fixes for SL has been functionality related. Big difference.
 
You might want to take a look at the security updates that are in 10.6.5. Quite a lot are for Adobe Flash (some website estimated that 42% of 10.6.5's security updates were in fact Adobe Flash updates).

No, it still does not work. If you scroll a website with embedded you tube videos it still stops when the cursor hits the videos :rolleyes::mad:
 
What a long winded response that does nothing to address my assertion. Security bugs are one thing - resolving an issue when dragging contacts from Address Book to iCal is an entirely different matter. The majority of fixes for Win 7 have been security related, the majority of fixes for SL has been functionality related. Big difference.

Bear in mind that that wouldn't be a Windows 7 bug/defect - as Windows 7 doesn't include that sort of software. Microsoft had to ship a major patch to Office 2011 for Mac only weeks after it was released.

Microsoft does fewer, larger Service Packs. Apple does more point releases.
Both are valid approaches but Apple gets your fixes sooner than the service pack and avoids needing "patch tuesdays".

My W7 install is a nightmare - seems to need dozens of fixes every month. The fixes are not Windows fixes but they are to all the optional/additional components (like Security Essentials).

Managing my Macs is way less work than managing Windows ever was.
 
hey guys, just to share, everything is working fine after the update. seems alright, i dont see the difference but i feel better that the mac is up to date.

i used software update, my office'11 and Adobe CS5 suite works, all ilife'11 apps work. looking forward to the mac store

Also, on a windows 7, you can turn off the updates till an SP rolls outs. never had a problem with my PC, i dont make updates a big deal on both platforms. ;)
 
not trying to step on anyone's toes here but i can't help but getting the feeling that Macs/Apple isn't as magical as i thought out to be...i'm a first time Mac owner for a few weeks. It seems to me that there is allot of "lets keep our fingers crossed and hope that it works". wasn't OS x super stable and o so good in comparison to windows?

my MP had issues with the graphics card, no word from Apple about this problem that lots of people are experiencing, now an update comes out and from reading some of the posts i don't even want to update my system because the update might screw some things up.

i know there's no windows fans on here but to be honest i have never had this much trouble with a windows machine in 5 years than i had with a two month old mac pro that coasted me triple times the money.:rolleyes:
 
No business will do everything you want. I own my own business and I make decisions that I don't like. Apple is doing quite well. You don't make too many boneheaded decisions and have the sucess Apple has.

I am not happy with the QA issues that Apple has had. I don't see a way Apple could have avoided them while moving at the pace they do. When Apple has an issue, it is quite often blown well out of proportion. One example is the iP4 and the death grip. Yes, some people had issues. Most got better performance than the iP3.

If Apple had a larger foot print the issues they are having would be a disaster.
 
Am I correct in assuming that "deep sleep" is a Macbook Air feature and not available on other machines?

Taken from the 'pmset' man page:
Code:
DEEP SLEEP ARGUMENTS
     deepsleep causes kernel power management to automatically hibernate a machine after it has slept for a specified time
     period. This saves power while asleep. This setting defaults to ON for supported hardware. The setting deepsleep will be
     visible in pmset -g if the feature is supported on this machine.

     deepsleep only works if hibernation is turned on to hibernatemode 3 or 25.

     deepsleepdelay specifies the delay, in seconds, before writing the hibernation image to disk and powering off memory for
     Deep Sleep.
 
Wrong. You might want to re-read the threads. It was in fact you that started calling people names.

Now why don't you run along and using your own verbiage, S.T.F.U!

You argue semantics all you want. He's wrong and semantics don't change that. I called him a hypocrite, which he rightfully is and has not refuted.
 
Microsoft does fewer, larger Service Packs. Apple does more point releases.

Both are valid approaches but Apple gets your fixes sooner than the service pack and avoids needing "patch tuesdays".

Actually, Microsoft gives you the patches sooner - you get them monthly. You only wait for the service pack to get feature updates (and even some of those come via automatic update). Critical fixes are pushed out as needed - they don't wait for the next patch Tuesday.

Service packs are quite small downloads for systems that have been updating.


My W7 install is a nightmare - seems to need dozens of fixes every month. The fixes are not Windows fixes but they are to all the optional/additional components (like Security Essentials).

It's a "nightmare" that Windows quietly downloads and installs fixes during the night? I think that you exaggerate! :eek:
 
not trying to step on anyone's toes here but i can't help but getting the feeling that Macs/Apple isn't as magical as i thought out to be...i'm a first time Mac owner for a few weeks. It seems to me that there is allot of "lets keep our fingers crossed and hope that it works". wasn't OS x super stable and o so good in comparison to windows?

my MP had issues with the graphics card, no word from Apple about this problem that lots of people are experiencing, now an update comes out and from reading some of the posts i don't even want to update my system because the update might screw some things up.

i know there's no windows fans on here but to be honest i have never had this much trouble with a windows machine in 5 years than i had with a two month old mac pro that coasted me triple times the money.:rolleyes:

I have never had a single problem or issue hardware and software with my Macs that was caused by neglect on Apple's part that they could have prevented practically. This includes an iBook G4, MacBook, 2 MacBook Pros, and a Mac Pro I helped set up.

Also, I don't want to get into this but Mac Pro isn't 3 times a Windows equivalent. I would know since my Dad's work, where his boss is money conscious, choose to buy 5 Mac Pros instead of HP or Dell servers. You can build a Mac Pro using parts which may or may not be cheaper in terms of just money alone but don't forget to factor in the build time. Time is not free nor cheap.
 
not trying to step on anyone's toes here but i can't help but getting the feeling that Macs/Apple isn't as magical as i thought out to be...i'm a first time Mac owner for a few weeks. It seems to me that there is allot of "lets keep our fingers crossed and hope that it works". wasn't OS x super stable and o so good in comparison to windows?

my MP had issues with the graphics card, no word from Apple about this problem that lots of people are experiencing, now an update comes out and from reading some of the posts i don't even want to update my system because the update might screw some things up.

i know there's no windows fans on here but to be honest i have never had this much trouble with a windows machine in 5 years than i had with a two month old mac pro that coasted me triple times the money.:rolleyes:

Keep in mind that no matter how one wants to describe Apple products, Apple is a company and made up of people. People are not perfect and neither are the products they make. So the term "magical" can be used to describe something innovative or intuitive. It doesn't mean perfect.

I'm sorry you're having a bad experience with your MP. I on the other hand have an opposite experience. I've been a Windows guy for over 15 years and am currently an IT administrator for a Windows network. But at home I'm all Mac. I've never had the problems with Mac than I've had on Windows. I've been a Mac guy now for almost 4 years. I've had some problems with my Mac's and actually they've almost all been related to Flash.

I have a Dell office computer running Win7 Ultimate and I really like it; it runs good and smooth and doesn't give me any problems. But if I had to choose only one, I'd pick my iMac with Snow Leopard. I just like it better. I enjoy coming home and using my Mac's and not worrying about them or any applications crashing or having to fix something so I can use them. I have to do that for a living on the Windows network I maintain. I just don't want to have to do that at home too.
 
not trying to step on anyone's toes here but i can't help but getting the feeling that Macs/Apple isn't as magical as i thought out to be...i'm a first time Mac owner for a few weeks. It seems to me that there is allot of "lets keep our fingers crossed and hope that it works". wasn't OS x super stable and o so good in comparison to windows?

my MP had issues with the graphics card, no word from Apple about this problem that lots of people are experiencing, now an update comes out and from reading some of the posts i don't even want to update my system because the update might screw some things up.

i know there's no windows fans on here but to be honest i have never had this much trouble with a windows machine in 5 years than i had with a two month old mac pro that coasted me triple times the money.:rolleyes:
I'm going to say the same thing as another poster, except I'll point out why it's good.

Windows updates are mostly security. They don't bother with upgrades, this is why Windows sucks. But it does mean that most of their updates don't harm your functionality, since they have nothing to do with functionality. You can pretty much turn on automatic updates and not worry (or hope :() that anything will change.

Apple's updates are usually more about functionality, and can break other software, like 3rd party printer or graphics drivers. It is often a good idea to let an update be available for a few days before updating and see what problems may come up, and if there need to be fixes from other companies. Let the kids with no patience find any issues for you.

Also, Apple tends to be more quiet about what is coming. So, the Airprint that "disappeared" from the final version of this update will probably be sent out next week, but you won't know about it until it hits Software Update. Meanwhile, it gives paranoids, Apple haters, and trolls something to complain about right now.
 
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I'm sure as engineers they appreciate the expandability, better specs, and cheaper price tag.

And as Apple engineers, they appreciate other factors even more, as do most of Apple's customers.

These other products are probably in the lab as curiosities to tear apart and examine how not to do it. e.g.: "Look what **** the competition thinks they can make money selling" (and probably will end up making very little compared to Apple.)
 
Bit of an update...

I re-did the iMac by hand. Spoon fed everything back in nice and easy. The problem with the sporadic popping over the speakers and headphones remains. I called Apple and they said that they were getting complaints about this as well as external and internal sound card's not being recognized. The three people I talked to seemed like this totally took Apple by surprise.
 
And as Apple engineers, they appreciate other factors even more, as do most of Apple's customers.

These other products are probably in the lab as curiosities to tear apart and examine how not to do it. e.g.: "Look what **** the competition thinks they can make money selling" (and probably will end up making very little compared to Apple.)

Another Apple customer overly concerned about Apple profits? There is something very unnatural about this.
 
For the record, Mac Pros are only overpriced if you buy upgraded RAM, hard drives, or video cards from Apple.

If you stick to the lowest price point for these and do these particular upgrades aftermarket, a Mac Pro is quite cost-competitive, part-for-part and spec-for-spec, with any generic PC.

This whole "3x more" nonsense is just a myth.

I'd have a Hackintosh if it weren't.
 
It's a "nightmare" that Windows quietly downloads and installs fixes during the night? I think that you exaggerate! :eek:

It is when it bricks your machine, which is what happened to me (and a buttload of other people using XP and certain AMD processors, about a year ago).

Happily MS fessed up, but that didn't prevent me from having to wipe the boot array and reinstall.
 
I have a iMac 27", iMac11,1 model, Core i7 2,8 GHz with 8 GB RAM.
The graphic card is a ATI Radeon HD 4850 with 512 MB VRAM.
I'm also running 10.6.5 and I have the same score as 'okboy'.
OpenGL Graphics Test 326.40
Spinning Squares 414.06 frames/sec


Well, than theres definitely something wrong.
Maybe the Mac Pro models which are not officially supported by Apples HD5770/5870 cant get the most out of the graphics boards...
 
It's a "nightmare" that Windows quietly downloads and installs fixes during the night? I think that you exaggerate! :eek:

It is when it bricks your machine, which is what happened to me (and a buttload of other people using XP and certain AMD processors, about a year ago).

Happily MS fessed up, but that didn't prevent me from having to wipe the boot array and reinstall.
How does Microsoft get root access to your machines over the Internet? Do they know your admin password, or have you authorized some setuid "helper" tool to run on their behalf?

Either way, those stealth installs do sound like a nightmare (if not outrightly so, then at least one waiting to happen).
 
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