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my 2016 maxed macbook pro is still laggy as hell with this update, cant belive this machine is so powerful but doesnt stop lagging



Graphic Switching while playing Dota 2 still not working.... crappy software fix...
 
Thats because the grass was greener and it still is. Snow Leopard offers so much more by offering less, a lot less. No iOS infiltration, Fast and rock solid stable. OS X 10.6.8 was when the platform was at its pinnacle. Snow Leopard is vastly superior to any other release on older Macs.

iOS infiltration has all but killed the Mac platform.

True story. No other OS reached the level of stability and snappiness as Snow Leopard.
Disk Utility in Snow Leopard still messes up when restoring Install OS X _____'s BaseSystem.dmg to USB/Partition :cool:
And my development project (shown in signature) is based on their graphical failures in this release
 
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Admittedly no version of OSX has been perfect. However, I do not recall any of this being an issue with such as Snow Leopard. Perhaps someone could explain how that once working fine no longer does several versions later?

Software getting too complicated. Not enough testing being done. Changes coming too rapidly and with unexpected consequences. Making changes for the sake of change. More OS X resources diverted to iOS and WatchOS (and maybe CarOS?).
 
my 2016 maxed macbook pro is still laggy as hell with this update, cant belive this machine is so powerful but doesnt stop lagging
Call Apple, they can help. Mine started lagging Saturday and I called. I talked to a manager and he led me through some steps and deleted a plist and I restarted my computer and the lag is gone.
 
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Apple, stop releasing unoptimized versions of Sierra. Completely put my Mac on the go slow. Safari hangs. Startup is longer. Spinning pinwheel is prominent!!! Siri on Mac is atrocious as well gets about 95% of my requests wrong. Doesn't anyone care about a good hardware software experience anymore at Apple?
Focus on optimization and great user experiences, not bloat. Fix this bloatware mac Operating System please!
 
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Call Apple, they can help. Mine started lagging Saturday and I called. I talked to a manager and he led me through some steps and deleted a plist and I restarted my computer and the lag is gone.

So ... which plist? Others could benefit.
 
People like to paint a grass-is-greener picture of Snow Leopard, but it's not as though that version was perfect. There were eight point releases for it, one of which (10.6.3) needed a "Supplemental Update" because its original release had some issues.

Here's a random assortment of things fixed in Snow Leopard point releases:

  • Addresses an issue that might cause DVD playback to stop unexpectedly
  • Addresses an issue that might make it difficult to remove an item from the Dock
  • an issue that caused data to be deleted when using a guest account
  • resolves an issue that causes the keyboard or trackpad to become unresponsive
  • Improves reliability of Ethernet connections.
There were also weird off-shoots like the "Snow Leopard Font Update". Which, incidentally, included PDF-related fixes.

You'd think something like DVD playback and Ethernet connections would be rock-solid by the seventh major release of OS X. But alas. They weren't.



Well, regressions generally happen when code is modernized, optimized, or for other reasons replaced by an equivalent. In this case, Apple appears to have tried to unify some of the PDF code between iOS and macOS. One positive effect of this is that you can now print to PDF from any iOS app (though the UI to do so is bizarre). The negative effect is lots of breakage in the meantime.
The code may be modernized, but it certainly isn't optimized.
 
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Well, mixed bag. Yes, its a big update - 1GB and it takes 20 mins to apply.

My issues revolved around using two monitors both two thunderbolts and now two 5Ks - in that moving between the laptop open without monitors, and the laptop closed with monitors - typically resulted in a hang, forcing a hard reset. I'll attribute this to the change over from the intel internal GPU to the external GPU required to run the monitors.

Good news is - it appears the GPU switch issue is fixed.
Bad news is that the TB USB pass through appears to be broken.

Nothing would bring any USB device connected via USB2 hub to one of the 5K monitors - to power on. Workaround is to plug the hub directly into the USB-C port, so now I use all four USB-C ports (direct ethernet for backup speed)

This is better - but there is more work to do.
Mine said 35 minutes, but took more like 1.5 hours. 33-32 minutes seemed to go for 15 minutes!
 
I'm too scared to leap from .2 to .3 so early on,

anyone with 2016 nTB on .3?
UPDATED THIS AFTERNOON-
no problems -seems much smoother
never really had any problems anyway but like I said seems much smoother and fluid.
and no problems with update download or anything related-took about 15 min
btw-also have 2016 ntb 13'' PRO
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Mine said 35 minutes, but took more like 1.5 hours. 33-32 minutes seemed to go for 15 minutes!
MINE ONLY TOOK ABOUT 15 MIN.
I was in an office building that has super fast wifi so went ahead and downloaded
no problems at all
 
10.12.3 needs to go back into beta.

Late-2016 15" MacBook Pro with Radeon 455 ($2799 model) and the machine hangs just flipping on and off the the 'automatic graphics switching" in Energy Saver preferences. If they fixed the graphics switching, I can't tell.
 
I'm trying to do a clean install of this version and it keeps going back to 10.12.2 I'm using the command r, deleting the hard drive and then reinstalling os, yes I already installed 10.12.3 before and I've I want to do a clean install with it. I thought it automatically installs 10.12.3 not the old 10.12.2 thank you in advance

Maybe you have an outdated recovery partition. You can update it to a more modern 10.12.3 version as follows:

1. Download the Lion Recovery Update from https://support.apple.com/kb/dl1464?locale=en_US . Put it into the downloads folder if it is not there already.

2. Download the full Sierra 10.12.3 installer from the mac app store and right click on the Install macOS Sierra.app file and click Show Package Contents. Go to Contents/SharedSupport/. Copy the InstallESD.dmg file into your Downloads folder.

3. Download and decompress the file recovery.sh.zip from http://4unitmaths.com/recovery.sh.zip and move recovery.sh into your Downloads folder if it's not there already.

4. Open Terminal and type the following commands:

chmod +x ~/Downloads/recovery.sh

sudo ~/Downloads/recovery.sh

5. Wait a few minutes for it to finish and return back to a prompt. Reboot with holding down the option key to test your 10.12.3 recovery partition.

I updated my recovery partition this way and now it looks like this:

10.12.3recovery.png
 
True story. No other OS reached the level of stability and snappiness as Snow Leopard.

True on the snappiness front. Stability.. I don't know. It doesn't spring any surprises on me, ever. But, today's macOS is trying to do far more than Snow Leopard.

On the other hand, I am very sure that most of the users who use macOS would love to have that level of snappiness back. I had a chance to use the machine that came just before the unibody, and installed SL 10.6.8 on it, and damn, that machine didn't feel like it was running on just 2GB of RAM. Those days will be fondly remembered.

But I think this has more to do with animations. SL didn't animate a lot, did it, in terms of Finder and dialogue boxes?
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Welcome to the world of the Catwalk Mac. All bling and no substance. Give me a four year old MacBook Pro any day instead of the modern substandard, emojii, touchbar driven offerings.

Buy it. Why should we give you ours? o_O
 
Maybe you have an outdated recovery partition. You can update it to a more modern 10.12.3 version as follows:

1. Download the Lion Recovery Update from https://support.apple.com/kb/dl1464?locale=en_US . Put it into the downloads folder if it is not there already.

2. Download the full Sierra 10.12.3 installer from the mac app store and right click on the Install macOS Sierra.app file and click Show Package Contents. Go to Contents/SharedSupport/. Copy the InstallESD.dmg file into your Downloads folder.

3. Download and decompress the file recovery.sh.zip from http://4unitmaths.com/recovery.sh.zip and move recovery.sh into your Downloads folder if it's not there already.

4. Open Terminal and type the following commands:

chmod +x ~/Downloads/recovery.sh

sudo ~/Downloads/recovery.sh

5. Wait a few minutes for it to finish and return back to a prompt. Reboot with holding down the option key to test your 10.12.3 recovery partition.

I updated my recovery partition this way and now it looks like this:

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Maybe you have an outdated recovery partition. You can update it to a more modern 10.12.3 version as follows:

1. Download the Lion Recovery Update from https://support.apple.com/kb/dl1464?locale=en_US . Put it into the downloads folder if it is not there already.

2. Download the full Sierra 10.12.3 installer from the mac app store and right click on the Install macOS Sierra.app file and click Show Package Contents. Go to Contents/SharedSupport/. Copy the InstallESD.dmg file into your Downloads folder.

3. Download and decompress the file recovery.sh.zip from http://4unitmaths.com/recovery.sh.zip and move recovery.sh into your Downloads folder if it's not there already.

4. Open Terminal and type the following commands:

chmod +x ~/Downloads/recovery.sh

sudo ~/Downloads/recovery.sh

5. Wait a few minutes for it to finish and return back to a prompt. Reboot with holding down the option key to test your 10.12.3 recovery partition.

I updated my recovery partition this way and now it looks like this:

View attachment 685178
wow, thank you for such a detailed response. The odd thing is I followed Apple directions on my sister's MacBook 2016 and I was able to clean install 10.12.3 without any issue, yet it won't work on my new MacBook Pro. I was under the impression that after you install a new update the system updates the recover partition automatically. Well atleast it worked on my sisters computer... I wonder why it won't work on mine.
 
Difference between "dogfather" and rest of us:

We install first and crib later. He checks first and installs later. :D

it is true I'm not the average apple consumer,

this guy gets credit for pointing it out tho, I knew there had to be a way:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-10-12-3-to-developers.2026653/#post-24172519


I'll also take some credit for bringing to light 1536 and 1680 custom resolutions on 12" :D

..1536x960 got me through using the 12", even though 1440x900 is kinda nice on some occasions and 1280 for tired eyes on that machine


on my 13" , 1440x900 is stealing the show for a happy medium

--

only learned some tricks up my sleeve from
a) getting burned on software updates in one fashion or another, you live and learn
b) jailbreaking for many years, since its inception
 
wow, thank you for such a detailed response. The odd thing is I followed Apple directions on my sister's MacBook 2016 and I was able to clean install 10.12.3 without any issue, yet it won't work on my new MacBook Pro. I was under the impression that after you install a new update the system updates the recover partition automatically. Well atleast it worked on my sisters computer... I wonder why it won't work on mine.

Whether it updates the recovery partition automatically depends on how you install it.

Most people will just update from 10.12.2 to 10.12.3 via the mac app store, or update via the delta or combo update from apple's software updates website.

Unfortunately that does NOT update the recovery partition.

If on the other hand you install via the full installer, this will update the recovery partition.

But if you already have updated to 10.12.3 via the mac app store, or the delta or combo then running the full installer just to update the recovery partition is not necessary, as it can be done manually via the method I posted before. This has worked for every point release since 10.7.2 and is still working now for 10.12.3.
 
it is true I'm not the average apple consumer,

this guy gets credit for pointing it out tho, I knew there had to be a way:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-10-12-3-to-developers.2026653/#post-24172519


I'll also take some credit for bringing to light 1536 and 1680 custom resolutions on 12" :D

..1536x960 got me through using the 12", even though 1440x900 is kinda nice on some occasions and 1280 for tired eyes on that machine


on my 13" , 1440x900 is stealing the show for a happy medium

--

only learned some tricks up my sleeve from
a) getting burned on software updates in one fashion or another, you live and learn
b) jailbreaking for many years, since its inception

True, I learned what I learned in a very hands-on way, too! ;)
 
The green iSight light turned on in the middle of the update (4K iMac). It's making me uncomfortable.

Maybe Apple is doing random spy checks on people to see if they do something indecent when waiting for the update to finish, or maybe rolling a booger or something....
Or it could be a driver update...

Who knows...

Just cover the camera ;)
 
I used OS X since Jaguar. Since 10.2 the OS just gets better. Unlike Windows which we had 98 that was horrible, then Me(or 2000?) that is most loathed in the world, then we had a very good stable XP jumping to horrible Vista then to a stable Win7 and from there one of the most hated bloated and retarded Win8 and finally a more decent Win10.
 
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