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Apple Releases New iMacs

paulct said:
so these are the new specs and prices

20", 2.4GHz, 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT 128MB. $1199
20", 2.6GHz, 2GB RAM, 320GB Hard Drive, ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO 256MB, $1499
24", 2.8GHz, 2GB RAM, 320GB Hard Drive, ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO 256MB, $1799
24", 3.06GHz, 2GB RAM, 500GB Hard Drive, NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GS 512MB, $2199


does anyone remember the specs and prices before today?
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20", 2.0GHz, 1GB RAM, 250GB Hard Drive, ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT 128MB. $1199
20", 2.4GHz, 2GB RAM, 320GB Hard Drive, ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO 256MB, $1499
24", 2.4GHz, 2GB RAM, 320GB Hard Drive, ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO 256MB, ?
24", 2.8GHz, 2GB RAM, 500GB Hard Drive, ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO 256MB, uh more expensive.
 
mags631 said:
Agreed! I only consider Mac Mini's overpriced if you look at them simply as an entry level machine. If you consider their small form factor, then they are most certainly not overpriced, in fact, I would argue that they are cheap!
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Most people don't care about the size, but that's all Apple offers in that price range.

If you look at the features you're getting for your money, there's no question the mini is way overpriced, the base model doesn't even come with a DVD burner, which you can get in machines under $400. Apple still isn't serving the low end well or people who want a computer that is cheap and expandable.
 
iFizz said:
From a shareholder's point of view (which I am NOT), the switch to Intel was a great move. In a few years, who knows, Apple may switch again.

But at what point does Apple get so overextended (with iPods, iPhones, iTunes, AppStore, etc) that they slouch in the Mac R&D department?
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One could agree that they already have. They didn't have enough people to have full efforts for both Leopard and the iPhone. There's also been a clear switch in hardware resources from the professional side to the consumer side.
 
neoelectronaut said:
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Will be ordering this by the end of May.
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If you were not in a rush you could get it tax free from Amazon in a week or two. They also ususally have rebates 75. to 150.
 
Good update.
Good time to buy an iMac, especially that juicy 24", 3ghz, 2gb, 500gb, 8800GS little monster. Am happy with the 1066mhz front side buss. A lot of people don't dig how important it is for the overall performance of a computer.

If I had the dough, I would buy it faster then a heart a 1/0.
:)


Now to the Quad Nehalem!
Go go go!
:apple:
 
iFizz said:
Macs have always been cool. But now they are a fad and status symbol.

One thing I've noticed about fads is that as soon as the "old people" adopt them, the kids find a new fad because it's not "cool" to them anymore.
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And that is what troubles be most about Apple's future bottom line.
 
milo said:
So why not an option for the bigger screen with the 2.4?

Apple has some good products, but the lack of BTO options really annoys me some times. I hate the bundling together of unrelated features instead of just letting the user pick what they want.
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Apple likes to maintain roughly the same price points so they're simply going to up the processor speed, not drop it for cheaper.

This revision has more BTO options compared to the last one, especially when it comes to upgrading the graphics card in the baseline 24".
 
BenRoethig said:
One could agree that they already have. They didn't have enough people to have full efforts for both Leopard and the iPhone. There's also been a clear switch in hardware resources from the professional side to the consumer side.
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Agreed. And even when Leo was released it was still "beta" and many of us didn't (and still haven't) upgraded from Tiger.

Jobs is a smart guy in a business sense. He's making the shareholders rich.
But, Apple needs some more balance. The balance it had in the early days.

Woz was good at giving the customer what they wanted.
Jobs was good at running a business.
They complimented each other.

Apple needs more Woz these days... :D
 
localoid said:
A $200 price drop for the mini isn't grounded in real-world prices. It's a pipe dream.
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They could probably do that pretty easily if they just redesigned it with a new case that could hold desktop parts instead of laptop ones. If they stick with the current case design they could drop $100.

I'd love to see a basic apple desktop starting at $399. Many people don't need the small size and are OK with a bare bones machine for office work and internet.
 
Which for best frames per second gaming?

I'll wait for benchmarks but any opinions based on the specs given which would run most games faster.

High end 20" w/ ATI 2600 Pro at 1680x1050

or

High end 24" w/ 8800gs at 1920x1200

Really wondering if at same quality settings the higher resolution of the 24" model would reduce frame rate enough to counter the actual benefit of the better GPU. I am not one to run with all the visual stuff maxed, I prefer to have the graphics smooth so consistent FPS is more important than a higher resolution. I don't want to spend the extra $700 if my FPS are about equivalent since I will probably upgrade the unit with a replacement in two years anyways.

Thanks for any help.
 
iFizz said:
Agreed. And even when Leo was released it was still "beta" and many of us didn't (and still haven't) upgraded from Tiger.

Jobs is a smart guy in a business sense. He's making the shareholders rich.
But, Apple needs some more balance. The balance it had in the early days.

Woz was good at giving the customer what they wanted.
Jobs was good at running a business.
They complimented each other.

Apple needs more Woz these days... :D
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I have to agree on that. Jobs has a great mind, be has a tendency to get ahead of where the market is. He does need some influence to ground him a little, someone who isn't intimidated by him. Someone who will at least tell him to hire some more people with that cash supply instead of making us wait a year.
 
milo said:
Most people don't care about the size, but that's all Apple offers in that price range.

If you look at the features you're getting for your money, there's no question the mini is way overpriced, the base model doesn't even come with a DVD burner, which you can get in machines under $400. Apple still isn't serving the low end well or people who want a computer that is cheap and expandable.
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"Features" means different things to different people (with different needs.) Play games on your computer and one "feature" you need is a good graphic card. Record music on your computer and you need a fast CPU and lots of RAM if you're using software instruments. Etc., etc., etc.

You could use your "logic" to say all notebooks are overpriced because you can buy/build a socket 755 system cheaper that's faster, etc. In other words, you could say "a desktop has more features than a notebook." (But that wouldn't be true in everyone's case.)

You couldn't easily take/use your 775 system camping at a campsite without 120AC, etc. The "features" needed for mobility require a computer that can run sans the power cord, unless you plan on building your own battery-powered supply, etc.

Compare oranges to oranges. This "overpriced" label get tossed out in conversation so often it is meaningless unless you qualify what "features" are required or desired, etc.

Many people would agree (myself include) that it would be wonderful if Apple produced a 775 system in a industrial strength case that was quiet and powerful as well as being expandable. But they don't. It doesn't exist. That's a totally different argument from the debate over how "overpriced" the mini is (or isn't)..
 
milo said:
They could probably do that pretty easily if they just redesigned it with a new case that could hold desktop parts instead of laptop ones. If they stick with the current case design they could drop $100.

I'd love to see a basic apple desktop starting at $399. Many people don't need the small size and are OK with a bare bones machine for office work and internet.
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A redesign could also could include a 3.5" hard drive that would not only make it competitive again, but cheaper. Then again, a weak Mini drives users to the iMac...or away.
 
BenRoethig said:
One could agree that they already have. They didn't have enough people to have full efforts for both Leopard and the iPhone. There's also been a clear switch in hardware resources from the professional side to the consumer side.
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Their profit margins should make this a relatively moot point- they have the resources to devote plenty of R&D to these lines, if they expand at a reasonable pace.

And I think the pace has been reasonable. For a long time it was basically just Macs. Then they added iPod, and sailed on that for a few years. Recently they've taken what they've learned from both sides, and combined that into the iPhone.
 
I guess none of the displays in the Apple Stores would be showing Boot Camp will they? It be nice if someone could run GPU-Z or something similar to find out whether the 8800 GS is actually the 8800M GS which is the original name for the 8700M GT which is essentially an overclocked 8600M GT like in the MBP.
 
BenRoethig said:
A redesign could also could include a 3.5" hard drive that would not only make it competitive again, but cheaper. Then again, a weak Mini drives users to the iMac...or away.
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I don't think driving users away from iMac to headless Mac w/ 3.5" is a big deal, the profitability would be similar and the headless Mac would not have to be too much cheaper either (overlapping price ranges.) It could be more expensive than the Mini, and not have to use more expensive components like slim slot-loading optical drives and 2.5" hard drives.

With Mac sales continuing to grow, IMO it is only a matter of time before they add another desktop line, as they similarly did with the MBA on the notebook side. And I think a mid-range headless model is probably the best opportunity not currently addressed by existing Macs.

Another way of viewing this, is do you think more customers would choose to pay a premium for the small size of the Mac Mini, or for the expandibility of a headless mid-range Mac? Maybe the Mini wins due to needs and interests of most general consumers, but there are a lot of experienced computer users who would prefer option B (expandability over size, given a 'mid range' price point.)

Why I am posting this? I don't know, this dead horse has been beaten to death. I guess your post just got me thinking... ;)
 
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