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Wow, you need to calm down.

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If you don't like apple's prices, go somewhere else, or at least do your bitching somewhere else. Don't crap every thread about new hardware with price complaints.

Dude, see if you can get both halves of your brain to talk to each other, and reach some consensus between them. :)
 
What advantages do the higher-end graphics cards hold for NON-gamers?
Doesn't it help with pro photo apps such as Aperture, Lightroom, etc? Does it help with HD movie playback e.g. 1080p? I thought the OS was able to offload some such tasks onto the GPU...

I like to buy the higher end to make it easier to sell when I am ready...:D
 
I didn't think Apple had any HDCP compliant connections. What Mac application will play back a BluRay-disc movie anyway?

I don't know if any application, even VLC, can yet. It might be too soon to watch Blu-ray discs on a Mac. It appears to be an issue related to copyrighted discs. That drive with Toast software will support burning as homemade stuff does not have copy protection like movies do. Hopefully soon we will have it as PCs have PowerDVD, which does read BRDs.
 
my opinion is get it now. I dont think they will update because of the special chipset, and besides, even if they do, you still have a great computer, that should last you for a while. I think if you need it, and have the money (which is the reason i dont have my mac yet) then get it now, and dont worry about what they are doing to it until you need a new one. There is always something better a few months down the line, so just enjoy it.

Yeah, I am pretty much ready to buy... I am just reluctant because of the free swag I can get in June (printer & iPod).

I have a big decision ahead of me!

-jb
 
Yeah, I am pretty much ready to buy... I am just reluctant because of the free swag I can get in June (printer & iPod).

I have a big decision ahead of me!

-jb

Is the free printer & ipod part of the usual educational discount deal?
 
Why can't MAC people get the capitolization correct?

Same reason that they can't get the terminology correct - unless you are referring to MAC people founding their Capitol buildings outside of their Capital Cities?
 
Lets have a look:

Dell XPS One (performance)

65nm Core 2 Duo E6550 2.33Ghz ( vs 2.4Ghz 45nm iMac )
2GB DDR2-SDRAM ( $100 extra )
Radeon HD 2400 ( iMac has HD2400 XT, a higher clocked version )
320GB HDD ( $50 extra on iMac )
8x DVD/CD Burner (same)
Wireless Keyboard and Mouse ( $50 extra on iMac )
MS Office Home and Student ( $150 extra )
TV Tuner (n/a on iMac)

Dell: $1799
iMac: $1548

Now please tell me what is wrong with Apple.

You seem to b*tch about that there are $399 desktops around, I'm sorry that Apple does not have an entry level offering. iMac is very reasonably priced, I agree that the screen is outdated though.

Thank you for doing this bit of research. I for one found it helpful.

Now to answer your question, I would say that two things are wrong with Apple, going solely on the basis of your search there.

1. The comparison is with Dell. I would never consider buying something from Dell, and I would advise any one else likewise. So, if you must compare with Dell, something is already wrong there. (Just to be clear, I would begin by looking for a local build-to-order shop, and make sure that I have a good conversation with whomever would put the thing together. Not for everyone, I know, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why I'd want to buy my computer at a shopping mall or a best buy, either.)

2. Dell, for all its obvious flaws, does offer other options besides the iMac wannabe. Apple only offers two other options, the mini and the pro. And when you expand your choices beyond Dell, it grows even more. To finish off this point, the main reason why you don't see more choices is that Apple actively discourages other companies from installing OSX on their wares; but if this ridiculous situation continues, whereby Apple refuses to meet the obvious needs of the computing community, then alternatives should emerge. These alternatives include psystar-type shops, online efforts a-la osx86, or linux--as well as other things that we can't think of today, but which people will think up if given enough time and incentive.

Now, there is another thing that I object to, and I wish others here would start to care about this: how this sort of scheme shuts out people who are not as financially well off as some of us. I have seen so many replies in threads like these that dismiss the needs of anyone who can't afford a mac pro, or who refuses to settle for these other inferior choices.

Yet this elitism is not even well founded in a technological sense. There have been hundreds of posts in this very thread praising the design of this iMac (when it has trouble with basic cooling because of a rather useless attempt to make it skinny), its fast speed (when it has a RAM ceiling of 4 GB), its cpu (nothing special, specially since today is as cutting-edge as this model is going to get, then it will sit on the shelves for months until the next upgrade), its obviously inferior glossy display (thankfully, you see the problem there) ... so, as I read these posts, I say to myself "damn, these Apple users are lacking in clues".

The computing world is much larger than Apple pretends it is, and we as users are not well served by that constraint.

Now, you did not address what I said about linux. When all your friends are running linux because they'd rather keep an extra $1000 in their pocket and Ubuntu is pretty good, are you still going to enjoy OSX so much? Or would you enjoy your computer more if your friends went with OSX as well?

I sense that plenty of posters in this thread don't give a damn about such communal issues, but I do. If Apple keeps downgrading the hardware until only the well-moneyed clueless--or the Mac Pro types, like myself--still want their hardware, then as a communal, and computing, experience, using Apple is going to start to suck.

I hope this trend reverses in time, but it's beginning to look like it will not. I guess a lot is riding on what they do with the mini.

Finally, consider what happened when OS X came out. Linux users switched en masse to this cool new version of unix, knowing that the problem of searching for hardware drivers would be over. Furthermore, Apple made a point of playing nice with the open software communities back then. With each successive "upgrade", all the premises in this paragraph continue to go in the wrong direction; for a particularly crass example, look at how Apple makes it impossible to play flac files within iTunes. If Apple loses a critical mass of those linux users, then you can rest assured that it will lose its image as a maker of good--if slightly pricey--hardware, and it will be replaced with an image closer to what it had in its pre-Unix era.
 
Is the free printer & ipod part of the usual educational discount deal?

The free printer thing is on and off throughout the year and is available to anyone who buys a new Mac. As for the iPod, it is only free if you are a student buying a new Mac between early June and mid-September.

-jb
 
This sentence does not make sense.

Nehalem is a CPU that plugs into the chipset that is part of the Montevina platform.

Apple may stick with Santa Rosa until Nehalem, but you can't jump from Santa Rosa to Nehalem.

Did you mean to say Calpella? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calpella


Nehalem will not be used with Montevina. Montevina will only use only Penryn Mobile derived cores as Montevina is still a FSB NB/SB based chipset. Nehalem doesnt have a FSB, uses Quick-path, and has an integrated memory controller. It defiantly will NOT plug into Montevina. Montevina is a moble platform, as of right now Nehalem has only been discussed in its server and desktop varients. Mobile Nehalem is a very long way off, especially in Apple land. And desktop Nehalem processors will use any entirely different LGA socket as well...

So your sentence does not make sense.
 
Don't like the glossy screens

I don't care for the glossy imac screens with this upgrade, so is it possible to buy a Mac Pro and use my older white 20" imac G5 (genuine 8-bit) for a monitor? Thanks.
 
I don't care for the glossy imac screens with this upgrade, so is it possible to buy a Mac Pro and use my older white 20" imac G5 (genuine 8-bit) for a monitor? Thanks.

Well, with enough knowledge, time, and tinkering, you could turn your old iMac into anything (like an ant farm).
Why not put the iMac in another room and just get a nice display from Dell for the Mac Pro?
If you buy a Mac Pro, you will want to enjoy the nice hi-res it offers on a display with a lot of real estate. Or even better, on two displays.
 
iFizz,
I don't wish to purchase a new monitor. Is it possible to use my older white imac G5 as just a monitor? Do you know how to do this?
 
iFizz,
I don't wish to purchase a new monitor. Is it possible to use my older white imac G5 as just a monitor? Do you know how to do this?

Yes, it's possible, but I've never done it. You would have to crack open your iMac and isolate the power/signal connection from the GPU to the LCD. Then it's a question of getting the right amount of power to the display, and getting it connected to one of the DVI ports on Mac Pro. The Mac Pros GPU should have no trouble driving the 20" screen, as long as it's getting the right amount of power and you have spliced its signal cable to a DVI connector correctly (that would be the hard part).
Definitely not an "easy" project, but I'm sure it's do-able.

Still, unless this is your only option, you can get a 20" display (same size as the iMac you want to dissect) pretty cheap. Why do you want to do this?
 
I am looking to get an iMac for college and I have the cash now. Should I wait until after WWDC to buy it or should I strike while the iron is hot now?

-jb

Since you can wait a bit, I'd suggest that you see what the mini upgrade brings. With the price differential, you should be able to pick up a much nicer display than the one that comes with any iMac.

Here's one that might do it, for starters,

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=217142

Not as pretty as an ACD, but for the same pixel count, you keep about $600 in your pocket.
 
iFizz,
It appears to be a really simple (software $24.95) way of utilizing the display of a separate computer that's just hanging around, as an additional display with your primary computer. I'm emailing the company to see if the additional screen can be the ONLY screen.

To be able to utilize a separate computer, especially the nice resolution of the white imac 20" LCD 8-bit, (for its' display only) appeals to me for a couple of reasons. One, if you're in a real jam time crunch and its the middle of the night and your monitor fails you've got an easy solution. Also, I am getting into video editing full time so I want to upgrade my cpu to a mac pro from my imac, but I figure I can put off getting the new monitor for a few months by using the beautiful 20" imac LCD matte screen. Those are my thoughts.

Having said that, in your previous post you suggested buying a Dell display for the nice hi-res it offers. Does the dell display you are referring to have better resolution than my white imac G5?
 
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