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It is an overclock. The "stock" FSB runs at 200 mhz (times 4 = the 800 that everyone likes to throw around) and the "stock" memory speed is 166 mhz (time 4 = the 667 that everyone likes the throw around). Apple has upped the FSB by 66 mhz (x4 = 1066) and the memory by 34 mhz (x4=200). It is a very mild overclock (to those that do this stuff all the time) and should easily fit within the thermal requirements of the chipset. What would be nice to know is the max multiplier that the CPU uses. That could lead to some info on if the CPUID is wrong or not. Especially since so far all the desktop CPUs that aren't the extremes have locked multipliers (can't set them higher only lower). It would be very interesting if Intel does sell that chip on the normal market because it will instantly become the overclockers sweetheart (most likely it can run at 4 Ghz easily probably on air too). Someone needs to take the iMac apart and actually look at the CPU to get at the bottom of this.


Who is gonna be the guinea pig :p err... uh saviour :D?

THE CPU-ID reports that it's an E8435 processor. Exxx processors have FSB speed of 1333Mhz, they are NOT mobile processors. So it's not an overclock, overall (3Ghz vs 3.06Ghz) and FSB wise it's an underclock.

THe only overclock is on the NB, supporting only 800Mhz FSB, now has to deal with 1066Mhz. Since the RAM modules are PC2-6400 (800Mhz) that makes them run at their native speeds.

Multipliers are just numbers that multiply the FSB speed to set the internal clock for the CPU. They get locked after wafer tape outs. Do you assume that every CPU is already locked on the wafer?! Unlocking is simply not putting any lock information on it. This is Intel and Apple we are talking about. Custom stuff. So?

People buying 2100 dollar iMacs taking them apart and selling the unlocked CPU for 1000 dollars does make me scratch my head.
 
please give an intelligent answer

I am sick of this question


its part of the design, it requires glossy, if you want, you can lay anti glare coating over the glass, if thats possible.

That is not a design requirement, look at the options on the Macbook Pro. If I need a mirror I will go into the bathroom not look at the screen of my Imac.:D
 
THE CPU-ID reports that it's an E8435 processor. Exxx processors have FSB speed of 1333Mhz, they are NOT mobile processors. So it's not an overclock, overall (3Ghz vs 3.06Ghz) and FSB wise it's an underclock.

THe only overclock is on the NB, supporting only 800Mhz FSB, now has to deal with 1066Mhz. Since the RAM modules are PC2-6400 (800Mhz) that makes them run at their native speeds.

Multipliers are just numbers that multiply the FSB speed to set the internal clock for the CPU. They get locked after wafer tape outs. Do you assume that every CPU is already locked on the wafer?! Unlocking is simply not putting any lock information on it. This is Intel and Apple we are talking about. Custom stuff. So?

People buying 2100 dollar iMacs taking them apart and selling the unlocked CPU for 1000 dollars does make me scratch my head.
The memory and the NB is overclocked, since there are no Mobile Chipsets that run at the speeds used. The CPU may not be overclocked but the rest of the system is.


Unless you are exclaiming that the PM965 isn't the mobile chipset...

I was just parroting Intels position on unlocked chips. The lock is a physical one that probably takes place after speed binning but before final packaging. If these chips are unlocked and Intel does sell them outside of OEM channels, then they will undercut the extreme chips (that is the only real difference between a normal cpu and an extreme one).

Overall I am intrigued that Intel would ship a desktop CPU in a mobile FF (or use the mobile chipset in a desktop FF). Especially since the 3Ghz mobile Penryn part is supposed to be released in May anyways.
 
The memory and the NB is overclocked, since there are no Mobile Chipsets that run at the speeds used. The CPU may not be overclocked but the rest of the system is.


Unless you are exclaiming that the PM965 isn't the mobile chipset...

Yes the whole chipset is overclocked, but not the memory. Memory modules are PC2-6400 (800Mhz) spec, running at native speed on an overclocked platform.
 
I am looking to get an iMac for college and I have the cash now. Should I wait until after WWDC to buy it or should I strike while the iron is hot now?

-jb

Please...forget those saying that Montevina is coming for the iMac, because in real terms it has already arrived...the ONLY real advantage is slightly lower TDP, and the iMac does NOT need it because it's still a desktop.

Intel has indeed given Apple the leading hand here, providing it with the latest and greatest ahead of other crappy low-life PC makers...

Again: APPLE WILL NEVER UPDATE THE IMAC by next WWDC. So buy now and be happy, because these are the best desktops on Earth.
 
Overall I am intrigued that Intel would ship a desktop CPU in a mobile FF (or use the mobile chipset in a desktop FF). Especially since the 3Ghz mobile Penryn part is supposed to be released in May anyways.

Seeing many desktop PCs with mobile parts, maybe Intel would discontinue it's Desktop line step by step, allowing mobile chips to be the only consumer chips, and Atom could take the mobile spot. If anybody wants power, Xeon is your friend.
 
Nothing wrong with XP.. Granted it's from MicroSucks but it's the best OS they have ever made. It's stable as hell and has no memory leaks or anything like that. I built a high end quad core several months ago and I can leave the PC running weeks at a time if I need to.

Not to mention pretty much anything works with it. Vista on the other hand is a pile of dog turd and I took it off after about 3 weeks. XP on the other hand is a very solid OS.

XP is a "stable" OS but by no means a great OS. The security is BAD bar none, too many holes to be considered something safe to use but stability is top notch on XP however a stable OS alone is not enough these days.
 
That is not a design requirement, look at the options on the Macbook Pro. If I need a mirror I will go into the bathroom not look at the screen of my Imac.:D

I actually do turn off my imac display if I want to use it as a mirror:rolleyes:.


But you see, the macbook pro is different, the glossy screen is part of the design because the glass is whats making the glossiness. They can't make anti-glare glass, but the screen on the MacBook Pro is different.
 
I just bought a refurbed 24"/2.8 and am psyched. I think it was a great price and for what I am planning on doing (mostly surfing and managing some home businesses) I don't think I'll notice the performance differences at all, other than it being a lot better than my current G4 iBook which is my primary computer right now :p.
 
I'm just thinking this is a stop-gap machine and with the temps running higher I'm concerned about noise levels compared with my existing 2.8GHz extreme. Also, someone has mentioned about the lifespan of the components if they've been overclocked.

While I don't really consider this an overclock, I have a beige G3 tower from 1998 that I overclocked as soon as I got it. Still running great, and it's been on 24/7 for years.

Just picked up the new top of the line imac and is really slow and sluggish. froze once already. I think something is wrong. Not sure but i already did the software update and problem has not fixed itself.:mad:

Is your machine doing spotlight indexing?
 
Seeing many desktop PCs with mobile parts, maybe Intel would discontinue it's Desktop line step by step, allowing mobile chips to be the only consumer chips, and Atom could take the mobile spot. If anybody wants power, Xeon is your friend.

That would be an interesting turn of events. I don't know how that would affect mind/market share as mobile chips are (historically) more expensive than the desktop versions, plus the mobile chips tend to be slower.
 
Decision Help Requested

Hello all!
I am new on the list, just a rather uninformed switcher, and would be very grateful for your opinions which option would be preferable for me (using the desktop mainly for text processing, surfing, TV and DVD viewing):
A. New base model (with ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT, 128 MB)
B. Old 2.4 GHz model (with ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO, 256 MB)
Option B (special price) would be 90 Euro more. Is the better GPU worth the money?
Many thanks in advance!
 
Hello all!
I am new on the list, just a rather uninformed switcher, and would be very grateful for your opinions which option would be preferable for me (using the desktop mainly for text processing, surfing, TV and DVD viewing):
A. New base model (with ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT, 128 MB)
B. Old 2.4 GHz model (with ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO, 256 MB)
Option B (special price) would be 90 Euro more. Is the better GPU worth the money?
Many thanks in advance!

If you do some type of gaming, yes. Apple puts in the 2400XT just to be at least competitive. But the card is adequate for roller coaster tycoon, WoW, and games as such. otherwise, for speed to last you a while, the new 2.4 will be good.

Also be aware that the old 2.4ghz came with a 320gb drive vs the new 250gb drive
 
If you do some type of gaming, yes. Apple puts in the 2400XT just to be at least competitive. But the card is adequate for roller coaster tycoon, WoW, and games as such. otherwise, for speed to last you a while, the new 2.4 will be good.

Also be aware that the old 2.4ghz came with a 320gb drive vs the new 250gb drive

Any reports in terms of overall fan noise levels? My iMac G5 17" may get noisy sometimes (historically it's been like that for the 17" G5s), and I wanted to know if the Core 2 Duo models are better in this regard, notably the 24" ones...

The model I wanna get is as follows:
New 24" 2.8
4Gb RAM
320 or 500Gb HD
NVIDIA 8800

Thanks!
 
Any reports in terms of overall fan noise levels? My iMac G5 17" may get noisy sometimes (historically it's been like that for the 17" G5s), and I wanted to know if the Core 2 Duo models are better in this regard, notably the 24" ones...

The model I wanna get is as follows:
New 24" 2.8
4Gb RAM
320 or 500Gb HD
NVIDIA 8800

Thanks!

I have the previous 2.8ghz Core 2 Extreme, as for noise, my noise is coming from my HD, otherwise, its silent. I know that because even when the fans kick up to 2000RPM over 1100RPM, i don't notice a difference, its when fans go over 2300RPM when they start to really become noticeable. But I have the Seagate Baraccuda 500GB, and those are noisy...but FASTER! Due to the perpendicular recording, Western Digital's 500GB dont have that, only 750GB+.
 
While I don't really consider this an overclock, I have a beige G3 tower from 1998 that I overclocked as soon as I got it. Still running great, and it's been on 24/7 for years.



Is your machine doing spotlight indexing?

No but the problem seems to have worked itself out after a few shut downs.:cool:
 
I have the previous 2.8ghz Core 2 Extreme, as for noise, my noise is coming from my HD, otherwise, its silent. I know that because even when the fans kick up to 2000RPM over 1100RPM, i don't notice a difference, its when fans go over 2300RPM when they start to really become noticeable. But I have the Seagate Baraccuda 500GB, and those are noisy...but FASTER! Due to the perpendicular recording, Western Digital's 500GB dont have that, only 750GB+.

So should I get the 500Gb one, or is it different from yours?
 
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