I didn't see this mentioned yet but, Amazon is not offering the $150 rebate on the new MBPs...
Anyone wanna guess why?
They WILL offer it, just give them a few days....they always do.
I didn't see this mentioned yet but, Amazon is not offering the $150 rebate on the new MBPs...
Anyone wanna guess why?
Yeah, because that comparison is so very close to pirating a bit of software.![]()
Macs are alright, but Apple produce some flawed products (Core Duo MacBooks anyone?)
and their claim that their programs are crash-proof is rubbish.
I'm not arguing for or against his or your points, except for the way you compared pirated software to robbing a bank. A silly comparison.Point is that his comparison is pointless. He's comparing a 100% legal Mac to a PC running unlicensed software. It's like saying "iTunes is too expensive, since I can get songs for free from P2P!". If he wants to compare Apples to Oranges, he should compare machines that are 100% legit. And in this case it means that the MSI gets Windows, and MPB gets OS X. If he decides to mix things up with pirated software, we could add pirated copy of CS3 to the MBP. How would the comparison look then?
Why not simply compare 100% legit machines with legit software? That way we can get true Apples to Oranges comparison.
What's wrong with those?
They claim that their OS is crash-proof. I don't think they have ever talked of crash-proof apps.
Those are generic "yet-another-laptop"-machines. I see nothing interesting in them.
They are the only company I know of offering the power of an 8600M GT in a 1" thick 5.4 pound package -
I'm not arguing for or against his or your points, except for the way you compared pirated software to robbing a bank. A silly comparison.
The Core Duo MacBooks get extremely hot, the iSight decides when it wants to work, the software crashes, it's embarassing to own sometimes.
I thought iLife was part of the OS package?
You mean like this 15.4 inch with the 8600M GT ?
http://www.msicomputer.com/NB/product_spec.asp?model=MS-163A
high end 17inch gamer version with the 8600M GT
http://www.msicomputer.com/NB/product_spec.asp?model=MS-1719
Really? Got a link to Apple's 12 inch under 4 lb Santa Rosa based laptop with
biometric fingerprint security, hardware encryption of data, HDMI out etc all for $1500?
![]()
http://www.msicomputer.com/NB/product_spec.asp?model=MS-1221
A few other manufacturers do have 12 inch Santa Rosa machines out there.
Besides MSI, Samsung and this LG model looks pretty decent, $2K Canadian = 1750 US$?
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12600ST2425&vpn=R200-CB01A9&manufacture=LG
I like the way you can configure the MSI without what hware you want and without an OS. I want a machine to dual boot windows/os x
http://www.rkcomputer.net/store/index.php/action/item/id/181/
if anyone knows of any other 12 inch Santa Rosa machines, pass along the info.
Apple has dropped the ball on the reasonably sized notebook computer. 15.4 and 17 inch machines are not laptops.
I've owned both desktop and laptop Apple Mac computers for years. Including the 3400c and an iBook.
Now apple's at the back of the pack with their portable offerings.
And you don't have to buy apple hardware to run Mac OS X.
So why not buy the best? especially when it costs less, looks better and has more features?
Really?
Texture memory at high resolutions with high texture settings is crucial. You also are probably experiencing network lag.Really my current PC with AMD 64x2 2.21 GHZ Vista 7800 GTX 256MB sometimes gives me some lagging problems but maybe cause I have the settings really high also could be Vista as well. I love playing Wow i just wanna be sure if I get the 128MB it wont hiccup or lag when I play it.
Texture memory at high resolutions with high texture settings is crucial. I wouldn't game at 1920x1200 with only 128MB of video ram. You can if you want, but it sure isn't pretty.How about on the 17"MBP with the 1900 x 1200 High Res Display? Anyone think this is a No No for 3d gaming? I'm no mad gam3r but will indulge here and there, nothing major Doom3, BF1942, Civ3 etc..
Not enough texture ram at the native rez.Why? I would think that 3D games would look spectacular at 1900 x 1200. The GPU should produce excellent frame rates even at these resolutions.
Why are you worried about the 17"?
I'm very sure they speak about 128MB GDR + eventuall TurboCache, which obviously would be better than only 128MB GDR. Not just 128MB TurboCache and that's all.
Something like this, first hit:
http://www.pclaunches.com/notebooks/benq_joybook_s41_santa_rosa_notebook.php
"Nvidia GeForce 8600M GS(1GB TurboCache) graphic card"
We can only hope, since even if it's slower it would allow us to run those 256MB vram games or Vista Aero 3D on two displays.
Turbocache is not like the old system of using system-RAM for textures, nor is it like integrated graphics that use just system-RAM. Turbocache treats both system-RAM (or rather: portion of it) and VRAM as coherent whole. Besides using it for just textures, it could be used for framebuffer as well. Of course it's smart enough to put more commonly used stuff in the fast VRAM, but in other ways, the system-RAM is completely transparentto the GPU.
In short: I would like to have Turbocache even in hi-end vid-cards with 512MB of RAM. It is a Good Thing (tm) with no drawbacks, but with lots of benefits.
Texture memory at high resolutions with high texture settings is crucial. You also are probably experiencing network lag.
Texture memory at high resolutions with high texture settings is crucial. I wouldn't game at 1920x1200 with only 128MB of video ram. You can if you want, but it sure isn't pretty.
Not enough texture ram at the native rez.
Turbocache is horrible. You are taking 10-100GB/s of texture bandwidth and cutting it down to 6.4 GB/s. That is bad.
The 17" MBP should have came with 512 MB VRAM. More memory allows for better IQ (higher AA, higher tap Ansio, higher quality textures).
Again, other than gaming what good is the 8600M GT to Mac users?
Turbocache is horrible. You are taking 10-100GB/s of texture bandwidth and cutting it down to 6.4 GB/s. That is bad.
i'm struggling to work out the benefit of the backlit LED screen beyond power consumption. Is there any? There was a lot of hype leading up to this bump, including people longing for a LED backlit screen, but aside battery life, what else does it bring? apple says it has identicle brightness and color range.
i'm struggling to work out the benefit of the backlit LED screen beyond power consumption. Is there any? There was a lot of hype leading up to this bump, including people longing for a LED backlit screen, but aside battery life, what else does it bring? apple says it has identicle brightness and color range.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/top/details-on-the-new-led-macbook-pro-266091.php
(apple claims 30mins - 1hr battery life savings, but that probably actually means 15-30mins!)
i was looking at getting a 15in, but having done a price analysis with the memory and HDD upgrades i'd like to do, i'm considering going to 17in. (in-flight use not that important). If so, is HiDef worth it?
LED or not?
Hi-Def or NOT?
It will benefit any other apps that are GPU accelerated as well - would explain why we are seeing reports of even better performance with Aperture, for example.
i'm struggling to work out the benefit of the backlit LED screen beyond power consumption. Is there any? There was a lot of hype leading up to this bump, including people longing for a LED backlit screen, but aside battery life, what else does it bring? apple says it has identicle brightness and color range.
If you've heard about it, who are you to judge? I cannot rest the laptop on my lap it's that hot. Thus, it doesn't perform its job as a laptop.I did not make that comparison. I talked about stealing a laptop. If he compares legal and illegal things, the, the other side should be on an even footing..
I have heard that some Macbooks get hot, but that's not THAT bad. Haven't heard of iSight-problems. And apps crash, that's a fact of life. Besides, if you keep on having so much problems with your machine, why not take it in for service?
It isn't. And even if it shipped as part of the OS, there is still a difference between Operating System and an app that is bundled with the OS. There is a difference between operating system crashing and application crashing.
Texture memory at high resolutions with high texture settings is crucial. You also are probably experiencing network lag.
Texture memory at high resolutions with high texture settings is crucial. I wouldn't game at 1920x1200 with only 128MB of video ram. You can if you want, but it sure isn't pretty.
Not enough texture ram at the native rez.
Turbocache is horrible. You are taking 10-100GB/s of texture bandwidth and cutting it down to 6.4 GB/s. That is bad.
The 17" MBP should have came with 512 MB VRAM. More memory allows for better IQ (higher AA, higher tap Ansio, higher quality textures).
Again, other than gaming what good is the 8600M GT to Mac users?
Of course it's not as good as dedicated VRAM! Sheesh. But it's better to have Turbocache than to NOT have it. It makes sense to have it even on a hi-end card with metric assload of VRAM. Turbocache does not give you any drawbacks as such. Yes, using Turbocache is slower than using dedicated VRAM is. But if you run out of VRAM, then Turbocache can help. Or would you rather NOT have Turbocache at all, and simply rely on good 'ol texturing to system-RAM?
A few other manufacturers do have 12 inch Santa Rosa machines out there.
Besides MSI, Samsung and this LG model looks pretty decent, $2K Canadian = 1750 US$?
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12600ST2425&vpn=R200-CB01A9&manufacture=LG
I like the way you can configure the MSI with what hware you want and without an OS. I want a machine to dual boot windows/os x
http://www.rkcomputer.net/store/index.php/action/item/id/181/
if anyone knows of any other 12 inch Santa Rosa machines, pass along the info.
Apple has dropped the ball on the reasonably sized notebook computer. 15.4 and 17 inch machines are not laptops.
iMovie shouldn't crash so often that I lose valuable footage everytime which wastes more of my time, it should be helping me yet it doesn't.
"even if it shipped as part of the OS" which it does?
I've had to restart the OS a couple of times
So... Unless I'm very much mistaken, you're suggesting that the target market for which Macbook Pros are aimed at - graphics, film, visual, audio and photography professionals buy one of these MSI laptops, put a hacked operating system on it that was never intended to be run on it, with next to no ability to install the latest security and bug fix updates without further extensive hacking (if at all), patchy (at best) OSx86 community drivers and hacks for all the unsupported chipsets, hardware and additional features that are not found on a Macbook Pro and expect it to work well enough to do their jobs?