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tibor said:
What exactly is it about selling for 20% less that you people don't understand? It is not a lesser machine selling for the same price - it's a lesser machine selling for far less money.

How many people who would buy this machine have a real need for PCI-X cards? Especially since anyone who follows this knows PCI-X is on the outs in PCI Express is the next generation? How many people who would buy this machine have a need for > 4 GB of RAM? Not me, which is why I picked one up. I'll take the 20% off for removing features I DON'T NEED, thank you very much.
4 gigs is enough for me to i agree, but the going on and on with fx5200 makes me think of another agenda. PCI express is coming period. we know that and since Apples marketshare is now 2% i feel it(PCI-X) will be going the way of ADC :cool: though less cables are nice. Anyways as you mass produce something costs usually come down and in the electronics world this is evident with under $200 9800s while in our mac world apple wants $350 for a new 9800xt in a new Powermac?
 
zimv20 said:
one of the big, business efficiency gains in the 90s was just-in-time acquisition. it costs money to warehouse stock and manufacturers tend not to do that anymore.

What are you talking about? This is used in alot of industries and companies, Dell is a master of this. Besides that, when I was on holidays I met a girl who works in inventory accounting at Quanta in Shanghai. Quanta don't keep large inventories of raw materials but they aren't on pure JIT either.
 
jragosta said:
Where do we start?

Your machine is faster? Let's see:
Dual G5/2.0 vs. dual Opteron 2.0. I haven't seen any evidence that yours is faster.
Yours has ATA hard drive, G5 has SATA.
Yours has GeForce 5200 vs ATI 9600 in the dual G5/2.0
Yours has 400 MHz Bus vs 1.0 GHz bus in the G5 (I think).
Yours has no optical drive vs Superdrive in the Mac.

Cheaper?
Yours is $2937. The G5/2.0 is $3499 canadian.

Given that:
1. Yours has no optical drive
2. Mac OS X is vastly superior to Windows XP
3. By most tests the G5 will be faster
4. You get a bucket of parts while the G5 is a finished, guaranteed, assembled computer
5. You're going to spend time assembling and testing and if something goes wrong, you get 10 vendors all pointing fingers at each other.
6. You're going to pay shipping 10 times on all those components while the PowerMac is shipped free.

Mine has an optical drive take a closer look
LG 4082B 8X DVD+/-R / 4X DVD+/-RW Black $116
PC has Serial AND ATA•
"Supports Dual/Single Socket 940 for AMD® Opteron Processors•
Dual Channel Serial ATA/RAID (0, 1)
Dual Channel ATA 33/66/100/133
10/100/1000 Gigabit LAN
System Management Software
Support DDR 400 Registered ECC Memory"
800MHz HyperTransport FSB
Supports 4 DDR DIMMs upto 8GB

This was priced all at a local store so no shipping costs.

Also on the Canadian site the new Dual G5 2 gig comes stock with a GeForce 5200

Macworld or Mac Addict can't remember with one comparded the 2 with Photoshop and a few other programs. Much to there surprise the PC was faster. Sometimes alot faster in Photoshop. If you want I can look for the issue.


You should read the specs a little better and find out more about the parts before you post.

"Still pissed about the new G5 1.8"
 
Little Endian said:
Nice that you actually priced a build at home PC configuration. As you Can see the Price comes up to about the same For a new Power Mac G5 2.5GHZ!! at least here in the states it does, I also noticed that your pricing for the Opteron System is in USD so it's the same price at least here in the US.

The Power Mac G5 still has the clear advantage as the Build Yourself Dual Opteron System would still lack a Comprehensive Bumper to Bumper Warranty, Would still lack Toslink Digital Audio Connectivity, Would still lack the FW 800 Ports, and using the K8T800 MOBO only supports up to 2GB of Memory Max while the G5 can support 8GB!! Also with the 2.5Ghz G5 you get the Radeon 9600XT w/128MB of Ram. Not to mention the cool factor oh and I think the 500MHZ advantage the G5 2.5GHZ has over the Opteron 246 @ 2GHZ more than gives the G5 the Crown not to mention a 1.25GHZ bus over an 800MHZ bus!! Also as far as you saying the Opteron 246 would be faster compared to a 2GHZ G5? http://www.barefeats.com/g5op.html
True benchmarking is subjective but I would say performance is a wash between the two! Note that now we have 2.5Ghz G5s and The fastest Opterons still top out at only 2.4GHZ I would love to see benchmarks in comparison to the newest Opterons and newest G5. I also think that the Mac OSX platform is overall better at MP Apps as the Mac has a greater amount of MP aware consumer Apps than is available for Windows or Linux.

So that's it I dare anyone to build a Dual Proccessor PC for Considerably less and EQUALLY equipped to the POwer Mac G5 in every way. IT is imposible I invite anyone to challenge this.

My price IS in Canadian not USD.
"Supports DIMM sizes from 64MB to 2GB on each DIMM slot.
Supports 4 DDR DIMMs upto 8GB"
here is the link for the motherboard
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8T_Master2_FAR&class=mb

Also I will look into which Mac Mag tested the G5 2.0 vs the AMD
The AMD won hands down in there own word.

Like I said not a flame war I WANT THE G5 I am just not happy with the new 1.8 G5
 
Dont Hurt Me said:
4 gigs is enough for me to i agree, but the going on and on with fx5200 makes me think of another agenda. PCI express is coming period. we know that and since Apples marketshare is now 2% i feel it(PCI-X) will be going the way of ADC :cool: though less cables are nice. Anyways as you mass produce something costs usually come down and in the electronics world this is evident with under $200 9800s while in our mac world apple wants $350 for a new 9800xt in a new Powermac?

Is PCI express ready yet? Or do you suggest that we shut down Apple until the next upcoming technology under the sun is finalized and ready to ship before a new machine is made. [end_sarcasm]
 
carey@westshore said:
My price IS in Canadian not USD.
"Supports DIMM sizes from 64MB to 2GB on each DIMM slot.
Supports 4 DDR DIMMs upto 8GB"
here is the link for the motherboard
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8T_Master2_FAR&class=mb

Also I will look into which Mac Mag tested the G5 2.0 vs the AMD
The AMD won hands down in there own word.

Like I said not a flame war I WANT THE G5 I am just not happy with the new 1.8 G5

Quit trying--On a mac forum, you're not going to convince anyone that Windoze is better.
 
Bigheadache said:
What are you talking about? This is used in alot of industries and companies, Dell is a master of this. Besides that, when I was on holidays I met a girl who works in inventory accounting at Quanta in Shanghai. Quanta don't keep large inventories of raw materials but they aren't on pure JIT either.
by "tend not to do that anymore" i meant keeping large stocks of inventory. sorry if i was vague.
 
zimv20 said:
by "tend not to do that anymore" i meant keeping large stocks of inventory. sorry if i was vague.
You were not vague, but i think apple cuts some big deals over a large expanse of time and therefor are paying the price in marketshare and sales. because while they are trying to sell x amount of whatever a new product has come and passes them by. X800 -all i can say is i bet Nvidea are kicking themself in the hiney! imagine needing a better power supply just for videocard while the ATI guys are making it easier and faster. OUCH! (disclaimer- geforce 3 user)
 
jragosta said:
I guess my question would be: "who cares?"

A 2.0 GHz 90 nm G5 processor isn't going to be any faster than a 2.0 GHz 90 nm G5 processor. Both of them process the same number of the same instructions per second.
Well...I waited so that they could iron out the bugs with the chirping and such, which by the way has been "half-fixed"- many with the rev.E power supply are still reporting problems...some with just a little "less" chirping- leaving some to speculate that it is the chip design itself. I was hoping that the 90nm chip would eliminate those problems. I am perfectly happy with a dual 1.8 processor machine for what I'm doing...I don't care about the graphics cards, and I doubt I'll ever put more than 4 gigs of RAM in it. I also don't care about PCI-X. BUt honestly, I do not want to invest in a machine with a chip that MAY have problems for pro audio use and is old stock. Hence, I am buying a new 2.5 with the new 90nm chip once the new LCD's are released. I understand where you are coming from, but this is my reasoning, and I was hoping that after waiting from Feb. for a new g5, that I could have gotten a 2.2 or 2.4 (in March!!!) and not have to lay out 2 grand for the 2.5. Tough for me, so I'm gonna do it anyway. It still sucks though.
 
Just wondering what some people opinions are on what would be a better machine

dual 2GHz
upgrade to 1 GB of ram
upgrade to 9800XT

or a base model 2.5GHz
with 512 ram
9600XT etc


(They come to within $30 of each other on the Australian apple store)
 
aussiemac86 said:
Just wondering what some people opinions are on what would be a better machine

dual 2GHz
upgrade to 1 GB of ram
upgrade to 9800XT

or a base model 2.5GHz
with 512 ram
9600XT etc


(They come to within $30 of each other on the Australian apple store)

2.5 all the way. You can always upgrade the 2.5 if need be.
 
nospleen said:
2.5 all the way. You can always upgrade the 2.5 if need be.

I agree. I usually buy the mid-range, but the 2.5 looks to me like the better deal in this case.
 
Dont Hurt Me said:
Nonsense was these updates , come on just look at the machines,fx 5200, 1.8 last time around was more computer then 1.8 now, technology doesnt work that way. Just go look in the real world and you will see X800s 6800s you can buy now along with single Fx-53s that match and exceed dual 2.0 G5s( I think jragosta needs a subscription to MacWorld or Macaddict Magazine to educate himself. Apple is still selling 970s in the machines except for the top end. now let me ask you where did those chips between 2.0 and 2.5 go? Apple either made a deal so sell x amount of that or they have a warehouse full of old G4s and G5s to get rid of. :eek:

In other words, you're trying to cover up the fact that you're clueless.

Your post that I responded to said that Apple had a year and a half of inventory. I showed you Apple's 10Q statement that said that they actually have 4 days.

No matter how much you try to squirm and no matter how many bogus arguments you throw around, you're wrong. Apple has 4 days of inventory - not a year and a half.
 
Dont Hurt Me said:
I agree but i dont think apple is adhering to this,If so i could order a single 2.5 to suite me. If you look at most Pc makers its configure what suites you.with our beloved Mac its this is what we are giving you take it our leave it. This is why i think they have a warehouse full of chips or are just screwing up.

You can think that pigs fly and cows jump over the moon - you'd be just as wrong.

Apple has 4 days of inventory according to their latest 10Q. 4 DAYS, not a year and a half.

It would be a felony for Apple to lie about something like that.
 
GETOFDZNTZ said:
So who out of all the people that were complaining about the new G5 were even planning on buying it? At my job we are getting 3 of them

Probably none of them. Most of them sound like whining teenagers.
 
GETOFDZNTZ said:
So who out of all the people that were complaining about the new G5 were even planning on buying it? At my job we are getting 3 of them


I'm getting one, might wait for new displays but i am definetly getting one of these, hopefully a 2.5....Thats if they get "agency aproval" whatever the hell that is , here in Aus. Otherwise i will have to settle for a dual 2
 
i bought one. sort of.

I was initially bummed by the new pricing/performance of the 2 lower-end g5 models. but today i bought a dual 2ghz g5 from the apple store.
$1999 for a refurb of the previous dual 2ghz. so i get the better video card but only 4x superdrive for $500 less. way to go apple, great updates!!! Great enough to lower the price for the older ones anyway! Sadly it's going to be hooked up to my old school 17" apple studio display for a while. Until i either get more money or apple releases new displays and i get more money.
 
G5 1.8 GHz

I'm tired of hearing people comparing the new 1.8 with the old 1.8. What one should be comparing is the old 1.6 vs the new 1.8. They are the same price and they are the entry level machine to PowerMacs. If you want to compare the old 1.8 it should be vs. the new 2.0 GHz machine as they are the same price and are the middle PowerMac.

You are comparing apples vs. oranges.
 
Remember the FireWire Throughput Problem With Rev A?

iriejedi said:
The $2500 model is new but old style - site claims it is a referb Apple told me otherwise.... farther down is the referb model for $2000
Remember the FireWire Throughput Problem With Rev A? That keeps me from wanting to buy the old dual 2 @ $1999. But it is tempting.
 
We're going through Changes

Okay so once again I called Apple and changed my system from a dual 1.8 to...

Dual 2.0GHz PowerPC G5 (rev. b)
512 MB DDR400 (PC3200)-2X256
160GB Serial ATA-7200rpm
8x Super Drive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
ATI Radeon 9600 XT
Bluetooth Module
Airport Extreme Card
Apple Keyboard & Mouse
Mac OS X

UH... I am waiting for the new displays to come out before I make a purchase for a display... Currently I only own CRT displays, can you even hook up a CRT display to these new PM's? Or do you have to buy a special cable, or do they come with it? I only see digital display outputs on those graphic cards on the Apple website...

For now I just want to use my CRT until the new displays are released...

Thanks
 
I Bought a 1.8 Refurb for $1799 This Morning!

What can I say? $800 savings from two days ago.... That is exactly what I've been waiting for. It shipped out this afternoon Fed-Ex Ground! :)

Now, I'm waiting for the new displays....

Who thinks they are coming at the end of the month?
 
Aqueous said:
What can I say? $800 savings from two days ago.... That is exactly what I've been waiting for. It shipped out this afternoon Fed-Ex Ground! :)

Now, I'm waiting for the new displays....

Who thinks they are coming at the end of the month?


I would say so...

85% Chance of new displays by WWDC
 
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