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Apple Releases New PowerMacs

Fukui said:
What the fsck happened to the 9800 XT? Didn't the X800 just come out, why aren't they using that???
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The 9800XT is available as BTO (+350 from 5200FX, +300 from 9600XT). It also consumes an extra PCI/PCI-X slot in space, and I suspect that is why Apple didn't make them standard (at least, more than any other reason).
 
Bright side

I'm going to look at the bright side and assume that Apple is getting the lackluster news out of the way prior to WWDC, to pave the way for something really exciting. (Like a new iMac, or interactive displays.)
 
the video card options not great, and a mere 25% increase over the 2.0 dual G5 (an increase it took ages for Apple to bring to us) is a pretty poor effort. :(
 
jocknerd said:
I, for one, am not complaining about the ghz. I'm complaining about the crappy video cards and the crippled motherboard for 1.8's.
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I agree with you, Jocknerd, dual 2.5 GHz is not bad at all (if not staggeringly amazing), but the rest of the system looks quite stale. I'm disappointed. I have about $3,000 sitting in my bank account to spend on a new PowerMac, but I'll be waiting until at least the next real revision. These aren't terrible machines, but they just don't seem like that magical syzygy of power, cutting-edge features, stability, and price that gets me to lay out that kind of cash. Oh well, back into hibernation...
 
Mantat said:
My main concern is not the speed, its fast enough. Its NO NEW VIDEO CARD! This has to be a mistake! We need some pro level video card!
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That was even more of a surprise to me too. Perhaps next year it will be better.
 
Gee4orce said:
You know, I may be confused about this but I though the whole point of tower systems was that you could swap whatever cards you wanted. So stop whining about the graphics cards - if you don't like it, change it ! Same goes for memory - ever see the Build to Order page ?
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If you're paying that much for a machine you shouldn't have to then spend a small fortune on other bits to get it up to what it should be in the first place.
 
jocknerd said:
Why does Apple continue to do this ****? The 1.8's were great. Now they are in the same board that the 1.6 was in. Only 4GB's of memory. Wouldn't you save money, Apple, if you only made 1 motherboard? I'll never understand Apples need to cripple their bottom end systems. I guess these will sell about as well as the 1.6's did last year.

I was ready to purchase the 1.8. Not now. Good job Apple.
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Unless you need PCI-X or more than 4GB of RAM, then the new Dual 1.8 is basically the same as the old Dual 1.8. Personally, I think most people would rather pocket the $500 difference and be happy than complain about not being able to upgrade past 4GB.

Personally, I think the new Dual 1.8 will sell rather well, and is probably still the sweet spot in the line (which is not a good thing for Apple... but they brought it on themselves).
 
Crappy upgrade if you ask me.

- Prices went up (in Belgium anyway)
- Crappy video (and a very steep upgrade price for a 9800xt which is EOL anyway)
- same ram as before (which is way too little for a pro machine : 2x 128Mb for a +€2000 machine, what a laugh)
- no change in standard storage
- no airport as standard
- no bluetooth as standard
- still no display change

I think Apple could have done (much !) better.
 
macridah said:
it does :eek: ... had to read the G5 tech overview. BTW, liquid cooling only on the dual 2.5's. The inside still looks the same as before, maybe only the dual 2.5's are have the different interior like the one showed in the service manual.
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My guess is since the 2.5 isn't available till July, but the others are available now I bet they are the same as the older ones mostly with just 8x superdrives added.

I'm still pleased with an update finally. True the graphics cards are disappointing but if ADC goes away with the new monitors then there should be an upcoming wealth of upgrade options.

My one disappointment is that the bluetooth module is still BTO. That would be the only thing you couldn't add in later.

Now the only decision is:

Buy now and save 500$ on an old 23" display
or
Wait and sell body organs to buy a new 30" display :)

Either way I have to buy them and the G5 at the same time to have Apple Care coverage on the display. oi!
 
Ozi said:
the video card options not great, and a mere 25% increase over the 2.0 dual G5 (an increase it took ages for Apple to bring to us) is a pretty poor effort. :(
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Yep.

Now, bring on the G5iMacs, two button pro mouse, metallic finish bluetooth pro keyboard, 60 gig ipod, new screens at cheaper prices, and a few surprises at wwdc and i'll be happy
 
I agree with most people. The processor speeds are fine. I even think that they are going to release a 3GHz G5 in September making it 3 liquid cooled systems going from 2.5 over 2.8 to 3.0.
What really sucks is the low RAM and the graphics cards. I love Apple but they should get their act together and put some more RAM in and especially a better graphics card. 64MB on a highend machine? LOL.
I am in no position to get one whatsoever but if I'd be I'd feel screwed over.
 
moosecat said:
I'm going to look at the bright side and assume that Apple is getting the lackluster news out of the way prior to WWDC, to pave the way for something really exciting. (Like a new iMac, or interactive displays.)
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An new iMac that will be incapable of playing games based on the video cards Apple is putting in the PM's. You know they won't put a better video card in the iMac. And great displays. But still no computer to attach them to. I'm not paying $3000 for a computer. I would have bought the 1.8 dual if it was the same machine as the one yesterday but for $1999. Instead they cripple it.

Come on Apple, if you want us to only buy the high end, why even sell another model? Here's a hint: STOP CRIPPLING YOUR LOW-END POWERMACS! Make the differences in the cpu and maybe standard size hard drive. But don't put an entirely different motherboard in there. Thats just stupid and a waste of your resources.
 
PCI EXPRESS !!!

I am waiting for

PCI EXPRESS CARDS

and

VIDEO CARDS

Imagine DUAL VIDEO CARDS ARRAY !!!!!!!

The next Rev this summer will have it.

PCI is old world stuff now... the new graphics cards come with PCI EXPRESS.

oh well well be still using this 667mhz tibook a while longer... :(
 
agency approval

caveman_uk said:
My guess it means the Aussie safety agencies or whatever you have that electrical goods have to pass.
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Surely not? Can't we already get duals in the same box from Apple?
Can't we already get dual Athlons and Xeons in build-yourself boxes?
What would be the difference, do they draw sooo much extra power, or do they interfere on some frequency that other CPUs don't?

Curely this could not be some export or import or (God-forbid) some security agency approval?

Oh well....
 
HiRez said:
I agree with you, Jocknerd, dual 2.5 GHz is not bad at all (if not staggeringly amazing), but the rest of the system looks quite stale. I'm disappointed. I have about $3,000 sitting in my bank account to spend on a new PowerMac, but I'll be waiting until at least the next real revision. These aren't terrible machines, but they just don't seem like that magical syzygy of power, cutting-edge features, stability, and price that gets me to lay out that kind of cash. Oh well, back into hibernation...
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You would have thought that for $50 they would have just thrown in the 9600XT, but then I guess the high end wouldn't have a better video card. And personally, the price drops on the 1.8 & 2.0 systems just make them more appealing unless for some reason you REALLY need the power of the 2.5 system.

Hopefully Apple will upgrade them again before the end of the year.
 
Bad news for the mobiles

All I can think is that if these are the new COOLER 90nm chips and they require some bad a$$ liquid cooling to keep them from melting into a heap of molten slag.... it will be a VERY long time before they make it into a powerbook!
 
Sure, it's a lame update, so he has got it out of the way before WWDC.

So with them and the Airport Express, what does that leave for Stevenote?

- iMac G5 1.4, with industrial cooling fan
- iTunes 4.6 and an update on the great first 2 weeks of Europe iTMS
- iChat AV, now it works properly

:confused:
 
graphics cards

For pure 2D work (photoshop/final cut) how much do you really need from a graphics card. If it runs two monitors at high refresh rates at a high enough resolution, what's the problem?

i can understand gamers getting pee'd off but does it really make that much difference to pro's who don't do that much 3D (assuming software utilises GPU etc.)?

Whookam
 
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