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xlr8 shows HERE how for most things 1.5 - 2 GB is the sweet number.
If you're not going broke because of it keep the 3GB. The apps in the furure are going to need more and more.
But if there is something else you can send that money on, 2 GB will be more than sufficient.
 
Editing Video Is My Main Application

jragosta said:
Depends on what you're doing.

That said, unless you're editing huge files or tons of videos, the extra RAM will probably be overkill.
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Editing Video Is My Main Application. So I may very well be editing huge files of tons of video yes. In that case 3 GB is not too much? Where can I find out more opinions? :confused:
 
Multimedia said:
Editing Video Is My Main Application. So I may very well be editing huge files of tons of video yes. In that case 3 GB is not too much? Where can I find out more opinions? :confused:
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If I may go out on a limb here... I think more doesn't equal better in your situation. Your computer can only process a finite amount of data per second. That data requires a finite amount of RAM. That is likely far less than 3GB. I'm guessing more like 768MB to 1.25 GB for your video app, leaving 750 megs for other running apps and the OS on a 2GB system alone.

The only thing the memory could be used for is doing multiple filters or actions on a source image to produce a final frame. The problem is that you're still working with a finite amount of CPU power, so there is no need to max out your RAM just yet. I would say 3GB would be PLENTY of RAM.

Even if your video application is holding multiple copies for undo (like Photoshop) and for layers (again, like Photoshop), the most your video will hold on a per frame, per layer basis is just under 4 megs of RAM. If I did my math right :) I'm sure the bit planes and resolution may vary but the logic should be right.

1280 x 1024 pixels/bits (1080i HD resolution?) times 24 bit planes = 31,457,280 bits = 3,932,160 Bytes = 3840 KBytes = 3.75 MBytes per frame per layer of data.
 
Multimedia said:
Editing Video Is My Main Application. So I may very well be editing huge files of tons of video yes. In that case 3 GB is not too much? Where can I find out more opinions? :confused:
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3 GB is overkill for video editing. A better combo would be to get another gig on top of the gig it came with (for 2 gigs) and get another sata hard drive with the money you'll save from the RAM. Then partition the drives and make a RAID volume. If video editing is really what you're doing, a RAID will make more of a difference than 3 GB of RAM.

By the way, congrats on all the bonuses! Bet you're glad you went with the refurb, aren't ya?!
 
I Thought You Can't Boot From A RAID Volume. No?

jakemikey said:
3 GB is overkill for video editing. A better combo would be to get another gig on top of the gig it came with (for 2 gigs) and get another sata hard drive with the money you'll save from the RAM. Then partition the drives and make a RAID volume. If video editing is really what you're doing, a RAID will make more of a difference than 3 GB of RAM.

By the way, congrats on all the bonuses! Bet you're glad you went with the refurb, aren't ya?!
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At 2-Pop They are saying that 3 GB is barely enough for Motion that likes 4 GB best.

I Thought You Can't Boot From A RAID Volume. No? :confused:

Yeah the refurb turned out to be great and by canceling the first time on Tuesday morning I wound up with a bonus plus unit. :D

What amazing luck.
 
Multimedia said:
At 2-Pop They are saying that 3 GB is barely enough for Motion that likes 4 GB best.

I Thought You Can't Boot From A RAID Volume. No? :confused:

Yeah the refurb turned out to be great and by canceling the first time on Tuesday morning I wound up with a bonus plus unit. :D

What amazing luck.
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Actually, with Panther you can boot into a RAID. I've read about it in several places (can't remember exactly where...may have been Apple's support forums). Another thing I wanted to try is dividing up each disk into a few partitions and combine only a partition from each drive into a RAID. Example: I've got a 160 GB and a 200 GB. I take an 80GB partition from each drive and stripe them together in a RAID for 160GB. Then, say I want a mirrored RAID, take 20GB from each drive and make a 20GB mirrored RAID. I've still got a 60 GB volume on the original 160 GB drive to boot from and 100GB from the second drive to do whatever with. I have no idea if this will really work, but I think it should since Apple's RAID utility only cares about volumes, not actual disks, and only one volume from each drive should be active at a time, so I don't know why that would cause any performance problems. The only reason I haven't tried it already is that I'm waiting for Tiger before I undertake such an inconvenience.

I still think 2 GB should be plenty for Motion (at least starting out). Don't forget hard drive throughput as part of your speed equation. It often proves to be one of the main bottlenecks. So you can either get a ton of RAM and stay with a slower hard drive setup, or get a very decent amount of RAM and optimize your hard drive setup.
 
just came back from my local reseller after putting down the deposit on my 17" and dual 2.5GHz.....Apparently will be one of the first 10 or so to come into aus sometime in the next 2-3weeks, 4 weeks at the outside they said.....i cant wait.

I kept the standard 9600 video card, and standard everything else but it will have 1.5GB of ram. ...did i say before, i cant wait.....u will see why when u see my sig.....i havent even got off OS9.2 yet
 
Did they sound convinced when they said "4 weeks at the outside"?

Cause I took some days off from work from the 21st of july until aug 1, hoping I could play with my switch machine (see sig). It would be a bummer if it wouldn't arrive around that timeframe..

If you read http://croquer.free.fr, it says they are already delayed, but I don't want to believe them :)
 
Yeah these guys have a bit of a reputation for getting the newest stuff from apple before everyone else.

But yeh one of them let slip that they think they are arriving in australia last week of June/first week of July. But that is this particular resellers consignment only. I have just started 4 weeks of University holidays so i hope it gets here as soon as possible so i can play with it a bit whilst i have no work to do.

But yeh only time will tell if they are correct or not.
 
my two cents?......

unfortunatly, being out in woop-woop, my local reseller is telling me he has no idea when he will be able to deliver on 2.5's. i wanted a GUARANTEE (eg: delivery in a fortnight, or an extra gig of RAM in each of the two ordered for every week (or part thereof) they were late) i would have them within a month....... he wasn't prepared to give me that g'tee, ergo, he no get my biz.
either way, banks being the bastards they are, i'll prolly be looking at a Rev C now....... (bastards, they'll give you a brolly when it's sunny and take it away when it rains.......)
:p
 
flappo said:
or just jump in and buy a g5 ?

i'm sick of waiting

:(
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I'm no expert on graphics cards, but I've heard that as much as people are down on AGP vs. PCIe, AGP 8x hasn't even been truly exploited to its limits yet. I guess its really the cards and not really the interface that's the "problem".

PCIe is just a bunch of hype when it comes to the average PM user. PCIe will be great for high high end graphics pros, all day all night gamers, etc. Don't let PCIe stop you from enjoying a G5 - you won't regret it. Besides, I bet it'll be another year (at least) before we see PCIe in a PM.
 
Multimedia said:
At 2-Pop They are saying that 3 GB is barely enough for Motion that likes 4 GB best.

I Thought You Can't Boot From A RAID Volume. No? :confused:

Yeah the refurb turned out to be great and by canceling the first time on Tuesday morning I wound up with a bonus plus unit. :D

What amazing luck.
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Yeah me too man, I got some nice extra's in my Refurb also. Go for the RAID, you will enjoy the speed.. and yes you can boot from it. With panther run disk utility before you install, during the install sequence. :)
 
Gotta love woopwoop!

sambo. said:
unfortunatly, being out in woop-woop, my local reseller is telling me he has no idea when he will be able to deliver on 2.5's. i wanted a GUARANTEE (eg: delivery in a fortnight, or an extra gig of RAM in each of the two ordered for every week (or part thereof) they were late) i would have them within a month....... he wasn't prepared to give me that g'tee, ergo, he no get my biz.
either way, banks being the bastards they are, i'll prolly be looking at a Rev C now....... (bastards, they'll give you a brolly when it's sunny and take it away when it rains.......)
:p
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Woopwoop Merlot...its the best thing to come to states from Oz in a bottle!

Cheers!-
 
Delivery Times

Im interested in what delivery times those of us who have ordered dual 2.5 systems are being quoted by Apple.

I have "on or before" 2nd August 04 and I'm in the UK :rolleyes:

What are other people being quoted?
 
i'm interested in that as well, but I can't tell you my quote, cause I went to an official reseller.. I heard some got set forward to 30/7 from 02/08
 
Yes, I read that too, but know I figured out (a little late :eek:) that it's actually about the watercooling units itself, not the processors (which I previously thought).

That doesn't seem very logical too me, if they would depend on 1 firm for making those units, and it takes them 1 month to ship 10000 of them? why not 5000 per two weeks? But as I said in another thread, croquer also reported apple already had 10000 powermac rev models back in february. so they don't seem very good with numbers... (at least I hope they don't)
 
Sounds Great, but...

I am a video editor. The processing speeds are catching up to the 6 figure boxes. But what about the XServe RAID? Has anyone heard of up coming improvements in sustained through-put? I've heard they run in the real world at about 190Mb/sec. It would be nice to see 2 streams of HD or more. Which would require at least 300Mb/sec.

Just curious.
 
klaus said:
Yes, I read that too, but know I figured out (a little late :eek:) that it's actually about the watercooling units itself, not the processors (which I previously thought).
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Sorry for the double post... I ordered mine from ClubMac. I just hope that if there is a limited initial release, we don't get hosed cause we didn't order direct from apple. Its just so hard to pass up on the free memory and other offers!
 
klaus said:
Yes, I read that too, but know I figured out (a little late :eek:) that it's actually about the watercooling units itself, not the processors (which I previously thought).

That doesn't seem very logical too me, if they would depend on 1 firm for making those units, and it takes them 1 month to ship 10000 of them? why not 5000 per two weeks? But as I said in another thread, croquer also reported apple already had 10000 powermac rev models back in february. so they don't seem very good with numbers... (at least I hope they don't)
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Croquer Dans La Pomme were the ones who said that we'd see 3GHz G5s at WWDC back in late May... They are full of crap...

Even if they were right, I was one of the first to order so I can assume that I will get one of the first 10,000. :D :
 
A Pleasant Surprise...

This just keeps getting better and weirder at the same time...

On June 9th when I ordered my new powermac (dual 2.5) I selected the free ground shipping. (Cool)

When the Free 2-day shipping deal started I was bumped up to 2-day shipping. (I'll take it...!)

This morning when I checked my order status I found under the shipping method "priority overnite." (kickass!)

I don't know if this means something, is a glitch, or just a good deal. Does anybody else now have priority overnite that didn't before? :confused: :D
 
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