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Apple Releases New PowerMacs

flahiker said:
All I can think is that if these are the new COOLER 90nm chips and they require some bad a$$ liquid cooling to keep them from melting into a heap of molten slag.... it will be a VERY long time before they make it into a powerbook!
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I would have thought that the move to a 90-nanometer process would have offset the 0.5 GHz boost in clock speed, so that the dual 2.5 could continue to use the G5's elaborate multi-fan air cooling system without the addition of a liquid-cooling bandaid.

In other words, it seems like there's an unexpected heat problem ... more watts from the 90-nm chip than anticipated.

That may be a clue as to why this update took so long ... and why the high end is 2.5 GHz instead of 3.0 GHz.

The positive spin is that the liquid cooling system provides the mechanical foundation for ramping up clock speeds in the future. But excess heat in a chip with densely-packed 90-nm components sounds like a daunting issue.
 
DGFan said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

hold on a sec


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Not everyone needs a powerhouse $400 video card. Just because you might be a graphics professional doesn't mean everyone is. Sure, it would be nice to see it as an option but let's not get carried away.
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sorry. but surely THESE models ARE targetted at graphic proffesionals...??
 
so,interference must be it then...

caveman_uk said:
The difference is it is a finished machine not a build-yourself box. You see all those logo's on the bottom of ibooks and on the backs of powermacs. They're the regulatory agency approval logos. Most nations have them. It's mostly to ensure a model is safe and doesn't interfere with radio/TV reception.
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I know about the logos, our company has to get our hardware approved for these also. My question, I guess, is what would make a dual 2.5 G5 interfere but no an equivalent Athlon or Xeon? I'm a "software guy" not a "hardware guy" so it's not my area of expertise. It just seems strange to me if it's interfering!

Eh, (shrug).
 
lurkers...

If any of Steve J's suboord's are reading this:

Boo. :(

This has to either be a bandaid or delay. Either way, I am not allocating budget for a .5ghz speed bump. Looks like another 12 months (factor in announcement to ship) before I replace our workstations.

Why no default 9800XT? Economics...this hardware *has* to be profitable for Apple.

We wait till WWDC to see any, "and another thing..." surprise. :eek:
 
New DVI displays?

Perhaps Apple is inlcuding only mediocre video cards because the new displays will be DVI instead of ADC. Then it makes sense - blow out inventory on old cards, then, when new displays available, throw in the better cards. See story on ThinkSecret about possible new displays:

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/newdisplays.html
 
mj_1903 said:
Interesting, I can get a return flight to the US for $960. Maybe I should just fly over and get one, it would still be cheaper.
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Not quite. Dual 2 in the US is $2499 ~ $3600 AU. The same model in Australia is $4499 or around $900 difference. I would imagine you would be up for customs duty and possibly GST so the numbers don't look quite as good if you try to get around 'the system'.

You could always try sneaking the G5 through customs..."Oh, this? Err, it's just a really heavy suitcase" :D.
 
Consumer.

<begin agreement rant>

It's quite sad, really. If it wasn't for the dual processors, these machines would be consumer grade. Apple really needs to work on putting together a coherent package.

A proper letdown. I need a new machine to serve up my home network and crunch a few numbers - this nForce sucks - but with these specs and price point, the new G5 ain't it.
 
e-coli said:
Looks like no 3's. Wow...really no changes at all except higher clock speeds at a 90nm process.

Wonder what the stock will do. *cringes*
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I don't think the stock market was predicting 3.0's as the stock is doing fine as of right now (stock is up while the rest of the NASDAQ is down).
 
aus_dave said:
Not quite. Dual 2 in the US is $2499 ~ $3600 AU. The same model in Australia is $4499 or around $900 difference. I would imagine you would be up for customs duty and possibly GST so the numbers don't look quite as good if you try to get around 'the system'.

You could always try sneaking the G5 through customs..."Oh, this? Err, it's just a really heavy suitcase" :D.
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Was more looking at the Dual 2.5. :)

No GST, just customs duty, but yeah I would be up for it unless they didn't check the giant computer box labelled "G5".
 

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I'm interested to know if these new models have fixed the "chirping" and audio problems of the previous G5s. If I were thinking of getting one, that would be a dealkiller for me.
 
I guess this release was originally planned for much earlier and that explains the video cards. Apple has a warehouse full of NV 5200s from the original planned release date they have to give away, even though they are no longer current...
 
Blue Moon said:
I don't think the stock market was predicting 3.0's as the stock is doing fine as of right now (stock is up while the rest of the NASDAQ is down).
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Generally Apple stock always spikes early and then mucks around the rest of the day, although I expect it to keep following this upward trend due to the announcement of iMS Europe.
 
1.6?

Whatever happened to all those leftover previous low end machines (1.6)? There are no new ones in the Special Deals section as they usually have after a new product introduction. I was just thinking about getting an entry level PowerMac and there's no way I am paying 2000 for dual 1.8. The previous lineup included some more affordable and reasonably-priced machines.

I also wonder if someone ordered G5 1.6 in the last week or so whether they got an upgrade to 1.8. Just for information purposes.
 
Even Dell is now offering dual-layer DVD burners in its systems.

*sigh* It looks like Apple has fallen behind the PC world yet again, and we can't blame it on Motorola this time :mad:
 
picky me...

Oh,
Did you read that it's "twice as quiet as the previous G4 generation". Leave it to marketing to word "our G4s were really loud, huh?".

And liquid cooling? Looks like a heat pipe to me. Should read "Passive Sealed Cooling". Liquid cooling implies a pump and thermally transmissive liquid. The diagram also looks incorrect. I mean, the second processor is cool always? Shouldn't there be separate heat pipes for each proc?

Hope someone can clear this up with first purchase and post some pix.

Perhaps a suggestion of 12cm fans (much quieter, more cfm) on the next gen? The case can handle it.

And what of that "service source" photo with the vertical DDR slots? and the large G5 cover? Is that the revamped 1.6? Doubtful...

/getting off my soapbox..

:rolleyes:
 
the ship dates seem rather close for own the dual 1.8 1-3 days according to the apple store and the 2.5 in july its better then a 3 months lag time they normally have.

-Neal
 
adamfilip said:
They should make up there mind. is the 1.8 faster or not!
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He's joking. The Dual 1.8 is listed twice, with two different numbers. It's just a typo. Someone copied and pasted and forgot to change it to 2.0.

--Cless
 
I know this is not the update we all hoped for - me included. i've been waiting since november to update my 400mhz iMac. but if you think about it - i can now get a brand new dual 2.0 with 8x superdrive for $500 less than i could yesterday. add $50 for the 9600xt upgrade and i've got a better computer for $450 less. that's not cutting edge technology and features, but its still not a bad deal.
 
ok here's a few problems i see. they all cost more than the previous generation.

superdrives cost way too much.
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=27-152-012&depa=0

$73 for an 8x dvd-+r/-+rw from nec. i'd rather downgrade to a combo drive and put my own in it. problem with that is you only get $100 off so it's not even worth it.

as everyone else has said, the graphics cards are a joke. moving the 1.8 to the crap motherboard is also pathetic. i'm excited about the 2.5 but that's just way out of my league to spend on a computer. the sad thing is, with it being this close to wwdc, even if the dual 3ghz machines are announced, they'll cost more than the 2.5 so the prices for these systems won't go down. i really want to believe apple has something amazing but it's getting more and more difficult.
 
NusuniAdmin said:
Why get mad, at least now apple has the liquid cooling for future machines, as well as it seems IBM finally has this 90NM **** down...kinda sux about the wait till july to get dual 2.5...but oh well. Maybe we will see future updates in september/october and then again around april or may.
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Liquid cooling mus tme a last resort. If the 2.5's could run air cooled without it they would. In the PC world liquid cooleing is used most often to make overclocking stable. It's a bad sign (though the technology's interesting and efficient). Clearly Apple are pushing that 2.5 so hard it'd burn up without a liquid cooling solution. I imagine they were utterly desperate to get to 3GHz and failed (at least with enough volume).

At least they'll now be able to choose to run chips faster than spec but I guess they're worried the system might not work well (hence the lack of a speed-bump elsewhere in the line). The 2.5 seems like a test balloon to me.

IMHO they missed an opportunity to bring the other components up to scratch here. The graphics cards are at best embarassing and at worst offensive. You shouldn't need to 'upgrade' a $3000 box to get cutting edge visuals.

I'm shocked that the gamble (to 3GHz in a year) seems to have failed this way. They left this to the very last minute. In fact the only thing Apple can say now is that there's been an upgrade before WWDC. I can't see anyone being pleased by this. I would bet that Apple are looking at x86 and quad processors very hard right now. To be selling sub 2GHz PM's in 2005 would be surreal. They need a way of keeping the faith.

As for a PB G5 - my dreams of a proper speed bump (2GHz plus) seem dashed for now. Apple need to make some serious changes to how things are being done. You can't profess to care only about the high-end and then do this. Right now the top end machines are overpriced and the low end machines are underpowered. Who wins here?
 
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