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Apple Releases New PowerMacs

mj_1903 said:
Was more looking at the Dual 2.5. :)

No GST, just customs duty, but yeah I would be up for it unless they didn't check the giant computer box labelled "G5".
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Check out the fees and charges at http://www.customs.gov.au - they probably take pleasure in putting a stop to nice little schemes like this one :eek:.
 
To the guy that said the the new dual 1.8 is on the same mobo as the old 1.6...

You're wrong. The old 1.6 used PC 2700 DIMMs, the new dual 1.8s use PC3200 DIMMs.

Anyway, I'm still using my dual 450MHz G4 until someone feels sorry enough for me to buy me a new computer... any takers? :)
 
klaus said:
They are ALL 90 nm processors.
EDIT: and something about the graphic cards. STOP WHINING! ever thought of the possibility that those new cards x800, nividia 6800 or whatever just don't exist for mac just yet?? Apple can't magically whip such a card up. They would want it as bad as we would but it's just not the case, the 9800 xt is the best they CAN give you, if you want to blame someone, blaim it on nvidia and ati who are not so eager to invest in equal manufactering of pc-mac GPU's
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I agree about the type of card, but asking for a €330 premium (in Belgium) for the 9800xt is way out of line.
 
It does.....

proglife said:
You're 100% right, but shouldn't the hardware reflect the premium price?
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The hardware DOES reflect the price.

Where else can you get a $3000 system with dual 1.25 GHz frontside bus? or the performance of two 2.5 GHz G5 processors? Or the ease of use and flexibility of Mac OS X.

Yes, if you want to pick around looking for problems, you can always find one thing that falls short. Heck, I don't like the cupholders in my Lexus. That must mean that the car sucks and isn't worth the price, right?

It's an extremely powerful system for $3 K - even with the existing video cards. Yes, it would be more powerful with more expensive video cards, but that would also make it more expensive - and very few professionals would benefit from the extra cost.

Quit whining.
 
DGFan said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

hold on a sec


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Not everyone needs a powerhouse $400 video card. Just because you might be a graphics professional doesn't mean everyone is. Sure, it would be nice to see it as an option but let's not get carried away.
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Cute. But, since you're not aware, I should inform you. Apple caters to the graphics professional. I don't think it's getting carried away that people are upset at Apple for putting in older cards. It might not affect your emailing, but it does play into businesses that need some serious video editing done.
 
video card complaints?

Why all the complaints about the video cards?
Doom3 will run quite well. Do you car about a few extra frames? really?
What, you need something more powerfull so that you can play Half-Life 2? Or Far cry? oh... hang on.... ;)

There's nothing wrong with a 9600XT or a 9800? Lightwave runs perfectly well on either and if you are a high end 3D person you'll have a much more expensive (proper) professional card anyway!
 
Would have been a nice upgrade back in February. We got got now: 1 new model with $200 price cuts on the other two models, hand me down video cards, and an architecture that will be obsolete in 30 days. I would rather they hold off and release nothing rather than this. As much as I hate to say this, we might have been better off putting Athlon 64s in our machines. we'd atleast have powerbooks by now.
 
Check the refurb page

Interesting. Top line (as of this posting) shows a refurbed 2.0 PM at $2499, that's $100 higher than it has been lately.

Also, the price of the 20" imac has dropped significantly again.
 
Ridiculous

brap said:
<begin agreement rant>

It's quite sad, really. If it wasn't for the dual processors, these machines would be consumer grade. Apple really needs to work on putting together a coherent package.

A proper letdown. I need a new machine to serve up my home network and crunch a few numbers - this nForce sucks - but with these specs and price point, the new G5 ain't it.
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Consumer grade? With dual 1.25 GHz frontside bus? And dual G5/2.5?

You people bitching about the video card have gone from being simply annoying to being absolutely ridiculous.

A video card isn't the only thing defining a machine. By any standards, these are exceptionally powerful desktop systems.
 
My thoughts about the PowerMac update (aside from the graphics card issue): We basically got one Mac model improvement, and it's a pretty big one. We now have liquid cooling on the big machine, a 500MHz jump (ignoring dual processors) over the 2nd fastest model (biggest yet), and we have kept the same price for the top of the line model, as supposed to increasing it.

Though there is a very nasty fish smell coming from IBM...should be interesting to see what happens on the 28th.
 
jragosta said:
Consumer grade? With dual 1.25 GHz frontside bus? And dual G5/2.5?

You people bitching about the video card have gone from being simply annoying to being absolutely ridiculous.

A video card isn't the only thing defining a machine. By any standards, these are exceptionally powerful desktop systems.
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A bad video card can cripple the performance of a system ;)
 
bilingual said:
Whatever happened to all those leftover previous low end machines (1.6)? There are no new ones in the Special Deals section as they usually have after a new product introduction. I was just thinking about getting an entry level PowerMac and there's no way I am paying 2000 for dual 1.8. The previous lineup included some more affordable and reasonably-priced machines.

I also wonder if someone ordered G5 1.6 in the last week or so whether they got an upgrade to 1.8. Just for information purposes.
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Contact your local reseller or Apple retail store because they'll still have some left for several days/weeks most likely. I'd expect that the remaining new in the box 1.6's will probably get a $200 or so discount from yesterday's prices while they last. The $1,999 new Dual 1.8 seems to be a better deal than $1,599 for a closeout single processor 1.6 though, but they should still be out there to buy for a while.
 
iggyb said:
Cute. But, since you're not aware, I should inform you. Apple caters to the graphics professional. I don't think it's getting carried away that people are upset at Apple for putting in older cards. It might not affect your emailing, but it does play into businesses that need some serious video editing done.
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And for the graphics professional, there's little benefit to a video card faster than the ones they offer.

Thanks for confirming his point.
 
What I think:

Good:
A plus is 2.5 GHz. Thats really great. The superdrive is great as well. But
What I saw is that you can get now the bluetooth keyboard and mouse as BTO instead of the regular one !

Bad:
64mb FX5200Ultra? Are they crazy ???
256mb ram for the low end model ?? Are they crazy ???
No dual layer superdrive as BTO ? Well maybe too early, but I really hope for the next revision.
1.8 and 2.0 ??? Are they crazy ??? Where are the 2.2 or 2.4 models ? Why is the low end model 1.8 and 2.0 ???
 
Penman said:
In the PC world liquid cooleing is used most often to make overclocking stable. It's a bad sign (though the technology's interesting and efficient). Clearly Apple are pushing that 2.5 so hard it'd burn up without a liquid cooling solution. I imagine they were utterly desperate to get to 3GHz and failed (at least with enough volume).

At least they'll now be able to choose to run chips faster than spec but I guess they're worried the system might not work well (hence the lack of a speed-bump elsewhere in the line). The 2.5 seems like a test balloon to me.

I would bet that Apple are looking at x86 and quad processors very hard right now.
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If there's a heat problem in pushing 90-nm chips to 3.0 GHz, then quad processors are a brute-force solution to getting more performance out of slower-than-expected chips.

Quad processors bring their own issues of case volume, air cooling, allocating the CPU workload, etc.

Wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall at the big Apple-IBM summit meeting, where Steve asks "OK, what's it gonna be? Dual 3.0's or quad 2.5's? Nobody's leaving this conference room till we have an answer!"
 
Rincewind42 said:
So the REAL issue holding back new video cards is the fact that Macs don't use a PC BIOS, not that the cards have an ADC connector. Do you want to scream at Apple that they don't use the "standard" PC BIOS but chose Open Firmware instead? No? Didn't think so.
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Ahh excellent point. I hadn't considered that difference. Guess in my mind I thought they would all use some similar standard. That's a shame then because other than that I would assume the cards could be identical. That was my main point. Make hardware identical then its just a matter of writing a driver. The bios differences negate that tho.
-jim
 
water cooled

Some people think this is bad, and associate this with a heat problem. To some measure this is true. I think this is paving the way for the 3GHz+ range and possibly quads. How cool would that be! :D But not the price tag!! :( As seen by the new prices today. Wish I would have bought that 1.8 now, guess I'll just have to wait some more.
 
mj_1903 said:
Interesting, I can get a return flight to the US for $960. Maybe I should just fly over and get one, it would still be cheaper.
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It's not Apple's fault. The G5s insist on flying first class on their trip to Australian Apple Stores which puts the prices up ;)
 
jragosta said:
It's an extremely powerful system for $3 K - even with the existing video cards. Yes, it would be more powerful with more expensive video cards, but that would also make it more expensive - and very few professionals would benefit from the extra cost.

Quit whining.
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The video card does not reflect the price. At least make Airport and Bluetooth standard.
 
great...one new model...does anyone else feel really disappointed? what have they been doing this past year? here's to next year's G5 :mad:
 
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