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mpopkin said:
Any facts to back this claim up? I thought that all new PowerBooks used the 7447A.
Hurrah its arrived.
On recieving the box I was a little concerned by what appeared to be a boot print on the top of the box. I can only assume this occured before the PB was placed in it as there appears to be no damage.
Inside the cardboard jacket was the slickest black box I've seen in a while. which oozes style. To my mind a company that packs their stuff well, cares about it and this was packed beautifully.
There doesn't appear to be any dead pixels but I'll check using the util that was posted a few days ago.
The keyboard is going to take a little getting used to as I keep hitting "\" instead of "enter" but I'll get used to it. The layout is also a little foreign to me coming from the Lintel market. Overall impressions are .....
Its HUGE and I don't mean just a little large I mean its massive. This thing dwarfs the 19" CRT on my desktop. I love it.
Can't wait to take it into work tonight and show it off playing UT2K4.
Will post back later with more impressions...
On recieving the box I was a little concerned by what appeared to be a boot print on the top of the box. I can only assume this occured before the PB was placed in it as there appears to be no damage.
Inside the cardboard jacket was the slickest black box I've seen in a while. which oozes style. To my mind a company that packs their stuff well, cares about it and this was packed beautifully.
There doesn't appear to be any dead pixels but I'll check using the util that was posted a few days ago.
The keyboard is going to take a little getting used to as I keep hitting "\" instead of "enter" but I'll get used to it. The layout is also a little foreign to me coming from the Lintel market. Overall impressions are .....
Its HUGE and I don't mean just a little large I mean its massive. This thing dwarfs the 19" CRT on my desktop. I love it.
Can't wait to take it into work tonight and show it off playing UT2K4.
Will post back later with more impressions...
Not really. I had the TNT tracking page refreshing automatically every hour to see where mine was. The fact that all last night it was 2 miles down the road was the worst part.
On a side note I'm very impressed with the ease of use. I've installed wsmanager to give me my virtual desktops ( which I can't live without ) and X11.app so I can run the Gimp. Firefox is now my default browser I almost feel at home. Once I learn the strange key combos to get things done I'll be sorted.
On a side note I'm very impressed with the ease of use. I've installed wsmanager to give me my virtual desktops ( which I can't live without ) and X11.app so I can run the Gimp. Firefox is now my default browser I almost feel at home. Once I learn the strange key combos to get things done I'll be sorted.
Sir_Giggles said:
I agree with this as well. I think the same question came up on Page 20-something... 😉
BTW...I have been treating my Wallstreet this way for over 5 years now. The batteries are slightly degraded, as expected. But they are still strong. The only thing I don't do is recalibrate them regularly.
I sometimes reset the power manager on it which seems to do a recalibration without having to drain the batteries. I am not sure if this feature is still available on these new machines though.
Launch Bar
X_Entity, are you a switcher from the Linux community? just curious.
speaking of key combos and useful apps, you may want to take a look at LaunchBar: http://www.obdev.at/products/launchbar/
i can't live without it anymore. 🙂
X_Entity said:
X_Entity, are you a switcher from the Linux community? just curious.
speaking of key combos and useful apps, you may want to take a look at LaunchBar: http://www.obdev.at/products/launchbar/
i can't live without it anymore. 🙂
IT'S ALMOST HERE!!!
Ship date May 4, 2004
Estimated delivery date May 7, 2004 by 10:30 am
that's tomorrow! i may have to take work off to be there for delivery. 😎
Ship date May 4, 2004
Estimated delivery date May 7, 2004 by 10:30 am
that's tomorrow! i may have to take work off to be there for delivery. 😎
Only as far as my laptop goes. I take pride in building my own desktop and server systems so I'll continue to use Linux there. I just happened to be in the market for a laptop when apple released the new PB. So not so much a switcher more a dabbler I figured that the worse case scenario would be running linux on the PB if I didn't like OS X.
So far I'm very impressed. The key combos are a little daunting but I mastered emacs so I can master this as well. Its a little weird to me that everything "just works" I'm not used to that being the case and making things work is half the fun of Linux.
So far I'm very impressed. The key combos are a little daunting but I mastered emacs so I can master this as well. Its a little weird to me that everything "just works" I'm not used to that being the case and making things work is half the fun of Linux.
mpopkin
macrumors 6502
That is not correct. Here is a reading on what the Motorola 7447a
The MPC7447A processor is a high-performance, low-power, 32-bit implementation of the PowerPC RISC architecture. Key architectural features include 512 KB of on-chip L2 cache, a 64-bit bus interface and a full 128-bit implementation of Motorola's AltiVec technology. MPC7447A processors are ideal for leading-edge computing, embedded network control and signal processing applications.
While here is a writeup on the MPC7447
Building on Motorola's continued innovation and performance leadership in the high-performance host processor market, the MPC7447 achieves two major milestones in the embedded world: It delivers 1.3 GHz of performance--making it Motorola's fastest PowerPC processor available for embedded applications. It also dissipates less than 10W while running at 1GHz--a critical threshold for many power-sensitive embedded designs.
The A version runs at speeds exceeding 1.5 ghz, while the Normal version which was seen in the Powerbook Aluminum Rev A was a 1.3 ghz processor underclocked to 1.25 ghz and over clocked to 1.33 ghz. These processors were made under the MPC7447 Processor from Motorola and Currently, the only machines still using the MPC7447 processor in this form are the Powerbook 12", The Powerbook 15"(1.33 Ghz) and the 14" Ibook with a totally earlier gen of this processor.
However the only basic differences other than speed on these processors, is a more powerful implementation of Altivec Technology, Increased Speed(small increase as you can see), and SOI(Silicon on Insulatior Design which increases performance while reducing power requirments and heat production. The MPC7447a is only made in speeds of 1.5 ghz and really cannot be underclocked by the speed needed to make 1.33ghz) While the changes are not great over the 1.33 ghz MPC7447 chip, the 1.5 ghz MPC7447A Chip is faster, lower power +heat, and better altivec performance, but nothing more.
However, I would recommend the more expensive 15" powerbook because of
1) Faster, Better performance
2) Superdrive
3) Backlit Keyboard is actually pretty cool
4) Better for things that can benefit from that speed increase including FInal Cut, DVD SP, and More
The MPC7447A processor is a high-performance, low-power, 32-bit implementation of the PowerPC RISC architecture. Key architectural features include 512 KB of on-chip L2 cache, a 64-bit bus interface and a full 128-bit implementation of Motorola's AltiVec technology. MPC7447A processors are ideal for leading-edge computing, embedded network control and signal processing applications.
While here is a writeup on the MPC7447
Building on Motorola's continued innovation and performance leadership in the high-performance host processor market, the MPC7447 achieves two major milestones in the embedded world: It delivers 1.3 GHz of performance--making it Motorola's fastest PowerPC processor available for embedded applications. It also dissipates less than 10W while running at 1GHz--a critical threshold for many power-sensitive embedded designs.
The A version runs at speeds exceeding 1.5 ghz, while the Normal version which was seen in the Powerbook Aluminum Rev A was a 1.3 ghz processor underclocked to 1.25 ghz and over clocked to 1.33 ghz. These processors were made under the MPC7447 Processor from Motorola and Currently, the only machines still using the MPC7447 processor in this form are the Powerbook 12", The Powerbook 15"(1.33 Ghz) and the 14" Ibook with a totally earlier gen of this processor.
However the only basic differences other than speed on these processors, is a more powerful implementation of Altivec Technology, Increased Speed(small increase as you can see), and SOI(Silicon on Insulatior Design which increases performance while reducing power requirments and heat production. The MPC7447a is only made in speeds of 1.5 ghz and really cannot be underclocked by the speed needed to make 1.33ghz) While the changes are not great over the 1.33 ghz MPC7447 chip, the 1.5 ghz MPC7447A Chip is faster, lower power +heat, and better altivec performance, but nothing more.
However, I would recommend the more expensive 15" powerbook because of
1) Faster, Better performance
2) Superdrive
3) Backlit Keyboard is actually pretty cool
4) Better for things that can benefit from that speed increase including FInal Cut, DVD SP, and More
etep said:
Finally, my 15" 1.5 Ghz BTO PB has arrived at my parents place.
I'm in holidays next week and then on my way back to my place I'll pick it up. Can't wait!
So coming from a crappy Dell 8200 with 1Ghz, 256Mb RAM, Radeon 7500 (64MB, not sure), 30GB HD, I'll have:
15" PB 1.5Ghz, 1GB Ram, 128 Vram, 80GB HD, Airport BaseStation
Life's gonna be sooo good !! 🙂 🙂 🙂
I'm in holidays next week and then on my way back to my place I'll pick it up. Can't wait!
So coming from a crappy Dell 8200 with 1Ghz, 256Mb RAM, Radeon 7500 (64MB, not sure), 30GB HD, I'll have:
15" PB 1.5Ghz, 1GB Ram, 128 Vram, 80GB HD, Airport BaseStation
Life's gonna be sooo good !! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Regulatory Agency Clearance Delay, WTF!!!
well my bto 15" is supposed to arrive tommorrow, it went from shanghai to ancorage, then to indianapolis, I live near Los Angeles why would they send it from alaska almost to the east coast? Now the fedex page says it hasn't left indianapolis because of a "regulatory agency clearance delay." What the hell is that? did anyone else's package go through this? It's starting to look like Im not getting it before the weekend like i was supposed to 🙁 Im still hoping for the best though because fedex hasnt changed the delivery date/time...bizarre!
well my bto 15" is supposed to arrive tommorrow, it went from shanghai to ancorage, then to indianapolis, I live near Los Angeles why would they send it from alaska almost to the east coast? Now the fedex page says it hasn't left indianapolis because of a "regulatory agency clearance delay." What the hell is that? did anyone else's package go through this? It's starting to look like Im not getting it before the weekend like i was supposed to 🙁 Im still hoping for the best though because fedex hasnt changed the delivery date/time...bizarre!
scdreger said:
mine went through the same process. it's still listed as:
May 6, 2004
3:16 am
Package status INDIANAPOLIS IN Regulatory Agency Clearance Delay
12:23 am
Arrived at Sort Facility INDIANAPOLIS IN
and it's supposed to arrive tomorrow before 10:30am. but i live in Chicago, so it's likely that it's on a truck right now. 😀
i'm not sure that you'll get your PB tomorrow unless they overnight it to LA...
good luck though, i hope you get it soon!
data1ore
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mpopkin said:
Really? Only the 1.5ghz machines use the 7447A? Strange...I'll check out my friend's 12" PB in a bit to see if it's true...maybe that's why the 12" PB's palmrest gets hotter - mine hardly feels anything beyond warm.
If that's the case those who bought the 'lesser' machines would surely feel ripped off. Hmmmm...*goes to ponder*
mpopkin
macrumors 6502
Hey
Actually it is a practice that Apple uses often that i deplore in which they will shortchange lower end models( examples at least recent ones is the base model G5 with less memory, bus speed(between MBoard and G5 and less performance) difference between Powerpc 8600 and 8500 and so on and so on.) Why would Apple underclock a new MPC7447a when they have thousands of 1.33ghz MPC7447's lying around which is the case here, this is just using common sense, it is a fact that the 12" PB and the Base Model 15 PB is using the MPC7447 not the MPC7447A, the performance difference is not terribly great except as stated above with less power, heat and more advance altivec extensions in addition to the 170 mhz speed difference or 167mhz if you are being exact, i would not put off buying a 12" pb because of this, it is still a great computer with a great processor and i have Zero Doubt that Apple has taken care of the heating issue, that means i believe that it has been taken care of, as my computer had zilch problems(cept for the wobble and it is now gone 🙂 ) so buckle up and enjoy the new PBooks
Actually it is a practice that Apple uses often that i deplore in which they will shortchange lower end models( examples at least recent ones is the base model G5 with less memory, bus speed(between MBoard and G5 and less performance) difference between Powerpc 8600 and 8500 and so on and so on.) Why would Apple underclock a new MPC7447a when they have thousands of 1.33ghz MPC7447's lying around which is the case here, this is just using common sense, it is a fact that the 12" PB and the Base Model 15 PB is using the MPC7447 not the MPC7447A, the performance difference is not terribly great except as stated above with less power, heat and more advance altivec extensions in addition to the 170 mhz speed difference or 167mhz if you are being exact, i would not put off buying a 12" pb because of this, it is still a great computer with a great processor and i have Zero Doubt that Apple has taken care of the heating issue, that means i believe that it has been taken care of, as my computer had zilch problems(cept for the wobble and it is now gone 🙂 ) so buckle up and enjoy the new PBooks
data1ore said:
Is this correct ?
ABout the cpu
If you check the developer note from Apple, all new Powerbooks have the MPC7447A with the new feature that besides the BUS has a low power mode...This was not the case for the MPC7447
You have here the 1.33 and 1.5 technical note
http://developer.apple.com/document...acintosh_CPUs-G4/15inchPowerBookG4/index.html
About the 12"
In this page some people did a take apart with the Powerbook 12" and the talk about a 7447A
http://www.kodawarisan.com/ug/PowerBook/21.html
About the 1.5 and 1.33 performance:
I think there is a little improvement about performance in 1.5 but you can
see this here:
http://www.barefeats.com/pb11.html
remarq
mpopkin said:
ABout the cpu
If you check the developer note from Apple, all new Powerbooks have the MPC7447A with the new feature that besides the BUS has a low power mode...This was not the case for the MPC7447
You have here the 1.33 and 1.5 technical note
http://developer.apple.com/document...acintosh_CPUs-G4/15inchPowerBookG4/index.html
About the 12"
In this page some people did a take apart with the Powerbook 12" and the talk about a 7447A
http://www.kodawarisan.com/ug/PowerBook/21.html
About the 1.5 and 1.33 performance:
I think there is a little improvement about performance in 1.5 but you can
see this here:
http://www.barefeats.com/pb11.html
remarq
mpopkin
macrumors 6502
Yes this is correct
If you check closely on the developer notes, you will notice that they say nothing as in Zilch about the MPC7447a Processor or anything that can distinguish one from the other, the same goes in the link talking about the taking apart of the 12" PB, it does not show the processor, nor state it to be the new one. Now this is not saying that it is impossible that it is the MPC7447a, but evidence is going against that, in both cost, fact and production. the MPC7447a was made at 1.5 ghz, apple does occasionally underclock a processor so this is possible, but under further research by going to the motorola microprocessor page, you will notice that the MPC7447 has a 1.3 ghz implementation and future scalability. I am not one to rain on anyone's parade, i have been merely stating that it is unlikely, but not impossible that the processor used in the Base model 15" pb is an MPC 7447a, but rather a MPC7447 that is similiar/exactly the same as the one used in the 1.33 ghz 17" PB previously out
If you check closely on the developer notes, you will notice that they say nothing as in Zilch about the MPC7447a Processor or anything that can distinguish one from the other, the same goes in the link talking about the taking apart of the 12" PB, it does not show the processor, nor state it to be the new one. Now this is not saying that it is impossible that it is the MPC7447a, but evidence is going against that, in both cost, fact and production. the MPC7447a was made at 1.5 ghz, apple does occasionally underclock a processor so this is possible, but under further research by going to the motorola microprocessor page, you will notice that the MPC7447 has a 1.3 ghz implementation and future scalability. I am not one to rain on anyone's parade, i have been merely stating that it is unlikely, but not impossible that the processor used in the Base model 15" pb is an MPC 7447a, but rather a MPC7447 that is similiar/exactly the same as the one used in the 1.33 ghz 17" PB previously out
remarq said:
mpopkin
macrumors 6502
Funny how you say that because while i have a friend who designs and works on Final cut for Apple, he tells me stuff but never about the processors, it is one of those things that even the employee's do not know. And for those who own a 1.33ghz g4, it is a MPC7447 Not MPC7447A, so even looking at the takeapart of the 12" Pbook the person just stated what we are discussing, never actually showed a close up of the processor, to back this up, if you go to motorola.com and type in Powerpc g4 in the search window, it will bring up info on the MP7xx family of processors, under closer examination you will see the differences between performance. If you really want to be exact, take apart a 15 or 12" pb 1.33ghz and look for yourself, i am sure that you will be disappointed and will find not a MP7447A processor, but the one used in the First Aluminum PB series Rev A.
I am not sorry to have brought this to light, but am sorry that you (data1ore) feel inclined to say that i am almost believable because i would not come into a forum, regardless of the forum, and lie deliberately to an audience.
Believe what you will, but until you have direct evidence contradicting my evidence of the contrary( that the MPC7447 processor is used in the 12" or 15" PB 1.33ghz in the place of the MPC7447A processor that is used in the 15" than i suggest that you keep your opinions on who is believeable, no matter how much it may bolster your hope that your processor is not significantly slower or less powerful(which it really is not that much less powerful or fast) to yourself because saying that i was almost believable is saying i am a liar, i do take offense to that and if you want to call me a liar,then do so directly.
I am not sorry to have brought this to light, but am sorry that you (data1ore) feel inclined to say that i am almost believable because i would not come into a forum, regardless of the forum, and lie deliberately to an audience.
Believe what you will, but until you have direct evidence contradicting my evidence of the contrary( that the MPC7447 processor is used in the 12" or 15" PB 1.33ghz in the place of the MPC7447A processor that is used in the 15" than i suggest that you keep your opinions on who is believeable, no matter how much it may bolster your hope that your processor is not significantly slower or less powerful(which it really is not that much less powerful or fast) to yourself because saying that i was almost believable is saying i am a liar, i do take offense to that and if you want to call me a liar,then do so directly.
data1ore said:
I'm sorry mpopkin but you are not making any sense at all. You talk about evidence to support the idea that the new models are a mix of MPC7447 and MPC7447A but you do not provide any. The fact that the developers notes do not specify the processor does not constitute evidence for or against your hypothesis.
I am inclined to think that they are all MPC744A since they all require a new 10.3.3 build to boot.
Jon
I am inclined to think that they are all MPC744A since they all require a new 10.3.3 build to boot.
Jon
mpopkin
macrumors 6502
I never cited the Developer's notes and no they do not require 10.3.3 to boot because i am currently running Jaguar on my Powerbook 1.5ghz because of several mods that are not available on Panther yet. Motorola clearly states that the only differences between the 7447 and the 7447a is altivec, speed and battery consumption, price is also a difference. When you can tell me that Price is Not Apple's bottom line, then you can tell me that they would spend more for the 7447a than the 7447 which they do have in backstock, cite the fact that the Powerpc g4 is still for sale at Apple.com or cite developer's notes, but i am not one to leave hyperlinks or photos of a processor, but if you want to leave me a private message i can go into more detail about the processor and there core differences because i have a longstanding interest in Microprocessors and experience in analyzing and working with them( manufacture of computers and analyzing, benchmarking and working with generations of early PC model processors from Amd, Intel etc in addition to earlier generation of Powerpc processors. sorry if i may not be coming out straight or direct.
JonGraves said: