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Apple Releases Safari 3.1

awww...just when that little golden ring was growing on me ;)

espn.go.com works wonderfully - and its a testament to the snappiness
 
ThirteenXIII said:
osx safari 3 is "Ok"

uh yeah i utilize it because somethings dont run on firefox and/or safari or osx that i need to use, so i dont know why its a problem for apple to make something that doesnt screw up fonts in the first place.

btw no need to get this mac-fan-boy attitude, who cares people use variety browsers get over it
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No, they shouldn't "get over it". I encourage people to complain to any site that arbitrarily chooses to require IE to access it. There is almost never a good reason for it, it's just because the company running the site decided to hire a graduate of one of those Microsoft indoctrination IT colleges who didn't know better.

If you simply resign yourself to using IE to access the site, that sends the message that this practice is ok.
 
fastbite said:
1Password OK for me.
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Weird...doesn't work for me.

I'm on 10.5.2, 1Password Version 2.5.11 (build 6126)

Console errors with:

Safari extension disabled: unsupported browser bundle version '5525.13', only 412-5523.15 are supported.
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I think the 1Password guys will just need to up the version checker.

-Kevin
 
RandiC said:
Has anyone went to ESPN.COM? It always crashed with the old Safari.
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Works for me on my MacBook Pro 2.16) and G5 (Dual 1.8). Funny thing 3.1 doesn't auto start the top left SportsCenter video (I set it not to auto start videos) but the nightly Webkit does auto start the video. Will have to report that.
 
morespce54 said:
Not to be a fan-boy but I would go as far as to say that IE 7 *is* the biggest source of headaches in the wonderful world of website design.
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Highly irritating, that!

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"Includes URL metadata when images are dragged or saved from browser"

OS 9 lives!

I used to rely on that often in OS 9 (I suppose I was using Netscape) and I forgot how disappointed I was not to have that when OS X came out.
 
Beric said:
The Pith Helmet ad-blocker apparently doesn't work, according to other sites!

Can't download. Pith Helmet makes it possible to navigate sites that would otherwise be impossible to use, and wipes out those annoying ads.
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SafariBlock (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/19202) with subscription to EasyList works on 3.1 (though it was installed using Safari 3.0 (or possibly a webkit nightly build, actually) - I haven't tried uninstalling/reinstalling it)

And, to all of you who are saying Opera is better, Firefox is better, Camino is better, etc. -- this is STILL ALL GOOD: Apple put some nice UI stuff in Safari (search, scrolling smoothly) and Firefox (et al.) 'have' to get their act together and compete, the Webkit team get 93% on acid3 so the others have to improve their rendering engines, Mozilla churn out faster and faster browsers so Apple/Webkit have to stay competitive and work on improving stuff and bother to release updates, and WE ALL WIN :) Competition is good, especially when we get the final results (and all the nightlys and betas in between) for free!
 
rtn5000 said:
I agree this update is still way below Firefox 3 beta 4 in terms of performance.
Again why did Apple choose Webkit opposed to Gecko?
FF for the win!
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I find it hard to believe FF3 runs faster than Apple's own proprietary software. I will track down the evidence shortly.
 
FF faster???

I don't get all these reports of FF being faster than Safari. FF has some fantastic features, and is definitely my development browser of choice, however, it is absolutely dog slow compared to Safari. I find even Safari 3.0 to be easily 5-10x faster than FF for the majority of pages I visit - Safari on my ancient G4/867 is easily faster than FF on my MacBook. Safari launches and opens a bunch of tabs (I use SafariStand) faster than FF launches with 1 blank window!
I blogged on this when the WebKit team announced the SunSpider benchmark suite. I've updated that entry to include FF3b4, Safari 3.1 and today's WebKit nightly. Safari 3.1 clocks in over twice as fast as 3.0; FF3b4 is over 3.4 times faster than FF2, but still 14% slower than Safari. Just to clarify, this means the release version of Safari is demonstrably 4x faster than the release version of FF, at least as far as JS performance is concerned.
Safari also leaves FF in the dust when it comes to rendering quality - see how rough things like SVG curves and CSS3 rounded corners look in FF.
Meanwhile, by far the fastest thing around is WebKit on Windows!
 
ntrigue said:
I find it hard to believe FF3 runs faster than Apple's own proprietary software. I will track down the evidence shortly.
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Safari is not based on "Apple's own proprietary software" it is based on "web kit" which is being developed by Apple, Nokia, Google and many othersand is Open Source. Web Kit powers server other browsers other then just Safari

Firefox is being developed by mozilla foundationand it is also open source.
 
HTTPS sites still crash from behind proxy server

I've been holding out hope that this issue from 10.5.2 has been resolved, but it still hasn't. Crashes with WebKit as well. From home without a proxy server, life is good. From work, I need to use Firefox. YUCH!

Does anyone have a clue?
 
interfuse said:
One thing that I hate with Safari (& Firefox) is that you need to use both hands for the keyboard shortcut of alternating between tabs.
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One thing you could do is write a web browser test suite, give it a snazzy name like "The Spooge Test", and eventually browsers everywhere will be optimized for your one-handed-operation needs.
 
Were the

History----->Reopen last closed window
and
History------>Reopen all windows from last session

always there? I missed these from Firefox and I never noticed them on Safari until I was using the latest ADC beta.
 
kbmb said:
Weird...doesn't work for me.

I'm on 10.5.2, 1Password Version 2.5.11 (build 6126)

Console errors with:



I think the 1Password guys will just need to up the version checker.

-Kevin
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I bet the people who have 1PW working are using the latest 2.5.12 beta version. I suggest updating to the latest beta version.
 
It does seem snappier, but it lacks the feature set of FF 3.04b or Opera so back to the bottom of the barrel .
Camino is starting to win big points as of late too.
 
akac said:
Right, but that makes sense. You don't put in fairly brand new code like that into a core OS framework. Latest and Greatest is great in beta or dev branches of Linux, but its not great for security or bugs.
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akac said:
Problem with webkit nightly is that you aren't patching your core OS webkit which means that Mail, iChat, and any other app using the OS webkit will not be patched for the security vulnerabilities and so on.

So keep using WebKit Nightlies, but update to Safari 3.1 as well.
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Im not sure if safari is that deeply bundled with OSX as you suggested.

Synchro said:
when the WebKit team announced the SunSpider benchmark suite. I've updated that entry to include FF3b4, Safari 3.1 and today's WebKit nightly. Safari 3.1 clocks in over twice as fast as 3.0; FF3b4 is over 3.4 times faster than FF2, but still 14% slower than Safari. Just to clarify, this means the release version of Safari is demonstrably 4x faster than the release version of FF, at least as far as JS performance is concerned.
Safari also leaves FF in the dust when it comes to rendering quality - see how rough things like SVG curves and CSS3 rounded corners look in FF.
Meanwhile, by far the fastest thing around is WebKit on Windows!
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Im not sure what version you were comparing, since your result pretty much against any other reports.

Im not sure how SVG supposed to be that important when pretty much only <0.1% of website has any of it anyway.

Not to mention safari always slow when you press back/forward button.

BTW, windows version of firefox 3 nightly has PGO enabled, it is probably 15~20% faster than recent webkit nightly, which means windows firefox should be ~35-40% faster than safari 3.1 ?? do me a favor, goto ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ grab a firefox nightly for windows and do a test against safari 3.1.
 

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goosnarrggh said:
But if they code for web standards, then they get the users still running IE6 yelling at them for their "broken" pages. A huge portion of the web is still surfed using IE6 - only within the past couple of months has it been relegated to the #2 spot by IE7.

I totally understand the desire for standards compliance for interoperability reasons. But look at it pragmatically... If they code exclusively for web standards, and leave the IE6 users in the lurch, then they've alienated almost 40% of their potential customers. Conversely, if they code exclusively for IE6 quirks, and leave all strict standards-compliant users in the lurch, then they've only alienated around 20% of their potential customers.

Given those numbers, what incentive is there for a web master to care about web standards?
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If only everyone did it, like, let's say: "From August 2008 onwards, every new website will be developed according to standards only", then those silly people with their love for outdated, incompatible IE sofgtware would finally be wiped out. I never get people's attachment to a specific browser. I use both Safari (75-95%) and Firefox (25-5%) every day, they're both good, free and fast. Why do we need IE again? IE is like AOL in the old days to me, only totally inexperienced people use it for lack of knowledge of better solutions.

Just my 2c.
J.
 
I agree with all those that say FireFox 3 beta 4 is MUCH faster than Safari. When that is final I don't know why anyone would use Safari as the default browser.

FF3 Beta 4 blows Safari 3.1 out of the water!
 
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