Apple Releases Safari 4.0.5

[3282868]

I wouldn't download updates for a Linux or Windows system while
traveling - how is that a slant against Apple?

"Stuff" happens on every OS - why risk applying a minor update
while you don't have your normal resources to fix any issues?

Any production system is locked down from any changes. I apply
the same constraint to my laptop when I travel - if I'm at a hotel
in Cambodia and the WiFi screws up due to an update, I've lost
my tool.

I'm surprised at your question, since I expected flames of the
"but you use Windows, so you expect updates to blow up"....

Not at all, OS X is just as faulty or as perfect as Windows OS. My point was simply that I've read a lot from you over the years that seems to paint Apple, Inc. in a bad light. I'm an equal opportunity offender, I think both OS's have their pro's and con's .

Regardless, it would be a serious fault if a small update to a web browser would cause a system to panic, resulting in a useless machine. That goes for OS X and Windows.

 

[MorphingDragon]

You should note that the adblock plugin requires Safari to be run in 32bit mode (assuming you're talking about this one: http://burgersoftware.com/en/safariadblock).

But its the best one Ove comae across for safari.

 

[mnb]

Why does a browser need to change settings in my router? This kind of scares me.

If you load the admin page for your router and make changes...

Like the password maybe. Or wifi security settings. Or to add a port forwarding setting...

 

[rockneplane]

I updated at work but not at home yet. One thing though...
Safari is my default browser, out of habit I guess, but Chrome, Fox etc. are cool. However, Top Sites was such a joke I took it off the menu bar, though I can't recall off the top of my head how I did it.
Thing is, it works perfectly on the XP boxes I use at work! Now, I'm running 10.6.2 on the most recent 17" MBP and Top Sites simply DOESN'T WORK. The "fix" they released a few months back simply fuzzed out the thumbnails, but those screen-wide distortions still occur.
Any way you look at that, it's downright embarrassing that Apple's browser doesn't work properly ON THEIR OWN HARDWARE when it zips along on a much older operating system run by a machine with ancient specs.
I love my Apple toys, but this is one case in which they deserve to be heavily criticized.
People lament about the Tiger days, and it certainly does seem the other products in the lineup have detracted from the Macintosh experience. 10.4.11 was freaky solid from a software point, and has anyone noticed every time they release a new machine there are quality issues with the hardware? I really wish they would brush up on that front, and in that sense it's probably nice 10.6.3 is taking so long to be released. One of the things I like about Apple is the quality of what I pay for, and the more that improves, the more happy a user/customer/devotee I am.

 

[3282868]

10.4.11 was freaky solid from a software point, and has anyone noticed every time they release a new machine there are quality issues with the hardware? I really wish they would brush up on that front, and in that sense it's probably nice 10.6.3 is taking so long to be released. One of the things I like about Apple is the quality of what I pay for, and the more that improves, the more happy a user/customer/devotee I am.

Does anyone know when Apple started manufacturing their products in China?

 

[lethalOne]

No thanks. I'll stick with Chrome.

Yeah, cause Chrome and Safari share no code...

Chrome is ok, but slower for me. No need to keep it - it's just not got a place in my online life.

I keep Firefox around for somethings, but it is getting slow and bloated and just not impressive any more.

 

[Jaro65]

Oh come on. Restarting to the computer for a freaking browser update?

I know! What is this now, a Windows machine?

 

[richard.mac]

i was really hoping this release would use a little less memory, but it is the same . i did a little test, both 4.0.4 and 4.0.5 use ~90 MB on launch for me and ~220 MB when opening 11 selected tabs.

but it feels snappier no really! Safari updates must run some performance scripts.

 

[lethalOne]

People lament about the Tiger days, and it certainly does seem the other products in the lineup have detracted from the Macintosh experience. 10.4.11 was freaky solid from a software point, and has anyone noticed every time they release a new machine there are quality issues with the hardware? I really wish they would brush up on that front, and in that sense it's probably nice 10.6.3 is taking so long to be released. One of the things I like about Apple is the quality of what I pay for, and the more that improves, the more happy a user/customer/devotee I am.

When you make a million of anything, even if 99.999% are perfect you have thousands of broken machines.

10.6.2 works great for me. I started on Tiger 3.5 years ago and it was good but everything moves on. Many people lament missing features that honestly have been improved but they liked the old way. Let them run older versions - but I want Apple to keep innovating.

Tiger lacked Time Machine which I depend on. It was also bloated with universal binaries - and ate up diskspace because of that. I'm happy Snow Leopard let go of the past.

 

[Romanesq]

get happy, get snappy, get peppy

Two Safari pies to go with extra cheese.
This seems much better to me. Oh and a liter of Coke Zero.

Do not eat after washing without rinse. Please reboot now

 

[cocky jeremy]

No thanks. I'll stick with Chrome.

And we care, why?

 

[MorphingDragon]

And we care, why?

Because it's the internet.

http://www.illwillpress.com/DIAEP02YT.html

Dont have a cow man....

 

[D*I*S_Frontman]

I always crash using Safari--several times per day, especially on the MacRumors home page, interestingly. I thought this update would cure it--nope.

But I did learn about "Click2Flash" from this thread. Loaded it in, and walaah--no more crashes.

I guess their company motto for OSX users is apt:

"If you've had a crash, it's probably Flash".

I have found that the program works great. One click on a flash window I actually WANT to view (youtube, etc.) and all Flash ads grayed out. Nice.

 

[Burger Thing]

I am having problems for months with this freakin' Safari. It won't play the movies I created with FC and "downsized" with Compressor and uploaded with iWeb. I only get a Quicktime symbol after loading the page...

"It just works"....


Chrome is playing it without problems...

I also hate the fact that downloads only appear in a separate window. This is so 2003.

 

[TWLreal]

I can also confirm that on a cold start the new version takes 6 MB less (with Top Sites disabled)

How do you completely disable Top Sites? Or do you just mean disabling it from appearing on new windows or tabs?

 

[MorphingDragon]

I am having problems for months with this freakin' Safari. It won't play the movies I created with FC and "downsized" with Compressor and uploaded with iWeb. I only get a Quicktime symbol after loading the page...

"It just works"....


Chrome is playing it without problems...

I also hate the fact that downloads only appear in a separate window. This is so 2003.

Actually, every person Ive shown Chrome to, their only pet pieve is the lack of an external download manager.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

Installation worked well, everything very reliable, then again I never had any problems with Safari 4.0.4 so the update to 4.0.5 has bought more 'teh snappier'.

As for the future, I hope they bring about process separation for tabs - and yes, I am willing to sacrifice some speed and see more memory usage if it means a more stable experience which is better able to utilise multiple cores.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Installation worked well, everything very reliable, then again I never had any problems with Safari 4.0.4 so the update to 4.0.5 has bought more 'teh snappier'.

As for the future, I hope they bring about process separation for tabs - and yes, I am willing to sacrifice some speed and see more memory usage if it means a more stable experience which is better able to utilise multiple cores.

Flash is better!

EDIT: Oh wait I installed the latest Beta.

 

[justinfreid]

Any luck they re-enabled the TABS ON TOP feature? man i miss that from the beta

Try Chrome for Mac; it places its tabs on top, albeit with a bezel above them that makes the whole window much more manageable than Safari's implementation of the same.

 

[justinfreid]

How do you completely disable Top Sites? Or do you just mean disabling it from appearing on new windows or tabs?

In Terminal:
defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4IncludeTopSites -bool FALSE

Replace FALSE with TRUE to restore Top Sites.

 

[TWLreal]

In Terminal:
defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4IncludeTopSites -bool FALSE

That only works for Safari 4 Beta. It doesn't work for any of the final versions.

 

[MorphingDragon]

How do you completely disable Top Sites? Or do you just mean disabling it from appearing on new windows or tabs?

You can do that in general preferences.

 

[LouieSamman]

Snappier

I just like to use safari for browsing and when it comes to speed I'm all for it

I always get excited when theres a safari update because I know that the browser will be a tad better than previous which is always good when it's free.

I only wish upon a few things apple needs to do with safari.

Don't have downloads have it's own window. It's an extra step to delete the window. Do what chrome is doing.

Seeing the tabs on the bottom I notice that the title of the website is displayed on the top of safari window & on the tab. That's just a waste and they need to put the tab on top to save browsing space.

Also the scrolling bar should look like the one from the safari app from the iphone where it hides and only shows up when scrolling. You can still be able to bring your mouse to the hiding scrollbar to have it be visible to drag it if you want. Basically have safari look like Quicktime X where everything hides and if you need controls just bring your mouse towards that area for it to be visible. For example like the apple OS X dock with the choice to hide it and when bringing the mouse down it is visible. It will make safari look more aesthetic and save lots of browsing space!

 

[TWLreal]

You can do that in general preferences.

The only 2 options pertaining to Top Sites in preferences are to remove the Top Sites button on the bookmarks bar and to change how new windows and tabs should appear as.

That does not stop Top Sites from keeping on collecting data.

 

[bommai]

After updating and rebooting, my four firewire hard drives disappeared off the desktop and cannot make them appear. I have rebooted the Mac and the hard drives. It is as if firewire disappeared!