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generik said:
Please refrain from making such lame arguments.. so what are you gonna do when your battery catches on fire and burns your "Macbook Pro" to a crisp?

Not like it is so durable or looks so good either, a year down the road your palm rests will start pitting! Meanwhile on an Acer's carbon fibre(tm) chasis it will probably still look like new.. more style, more speed, and CHEAP!

My 3yr old 15" Powerbook doesn't have pits on the palm rest...and it's also made of Aluminium.

Is this something I should look out for? Not sure about these supposed 'spontaneously combusting' batteries either - was that listed in the specs for the MacBook? No great surprise that Steve/Apple didn't mention battery life if it's determined by a random themal event of this nature.

When did the phrase 'carbon fibre' get trademarked, as well?

As for style and speed...
 
dogsbody said:
My 3yr old 15" Powerbook doesn't have pits on the palm rest...and it's also made of Aluminium.

Is this something I should look out for? Not sure about these supposed 'spontaneously combusting' batteries either - was that listed in the specs for the MacBook? No great surprise that Steve/Apple didn't mention battery life if it's determined by a random themal event of this nature.

When did the phrase 'carbon fibre' get trademarked, as well?

As for style and speed...

Oh yeah, I forgot about that...Acer "style" and Acer "speed"...hahaha
 
generik said:
Please refrain from making such lame arguments.. so what are you gonna do when your battery catches on fire and burns your "Macbook Pro" to a crisp?

Not like it is so durable or looks so good either, a year down the road your palm rests will start pitting! Meanwhile on an Acer's carbon fibre(tm) chasis it will probably still look like new.. more style, more speed, and CHEAP!

I love these quotes and the responses to them. The truth is that Apple does some things wrong (we have to admit it). But what we as consumers must do is choose the overall product that is best for us and in the case of most of the people here that is an Apple computer. For some it will be the OS or elements there of, for others it will be specific applications, others will like the overall hardware package and pay for the combination of features whether or not all of the features are on a range of competing machines, because the combination is what matters and finally there are those that want the aesthetics.

In truth it is not that black and white. For many it is a bit of everything. I for example think that Garageband is a fantastic application but it holds no interest for me and does not guide my decisions.

Finally apple did have issues with batteries last year or the year before (I forget), but they did a recall in good faith. Any organisation of their size will have issues, it is how they respond to them that matters. Again some others prefer the customer service of competitors because it suits their needs. Each to their own.

I am to many an Apple evangilist, but I do not see the point of tit-for-tat arguments where each comment barely addresses the issue of the previous opposition comment.
 
Shifted plans midday

Got excited and bought a MacBook (loaded BTO). Then I went to see what was up with the new iMac.
Didn't take me long to scratch my head. CNDX'd the laptop and bought a loaded BTO iMac for about $500 less.

I've really gotten away from the tethered to the desk computing model but laptops just seem to keep running out of room with all the digital content. My external drives weigh as much as the damn laptop and I find that I don't back up as often as I should (aside from the .mac updates).

Think this iMac will make an awesome music server and with sharing capabilities I'll be able access the big files via Airport. Thinking a desktop PC (server) may be useful, even if you rarely sit in front of it.

I too will buy the next gen MacBook and live with my 17" G4 until then.

Thanks to all the insightful posts here that help illuminate the shortfalls of this unit.
 
I'm not even in the market right now for a new notebook, so of course I am excited about the news but I am more curious how far ahead everything will be in a couple of years. That's just me anyway.

This might also be just me, but some of these comments are pretty crazy.

Some people seem to have some harsh feelings towards the name "MacBook" - but what in the heck is wrong with it? The answer is absolutely nothing - it's a note book that runs Mac: thus, a MacBook (Pro). "PowerBook" would not differentiate with the old model, and names change with big changes like this. A normal consumer, that is, one without emotional attachment to the names of computers, wouldn't care - it's still better than T13205 or "V Series" or whatever nonsense those other companies use.

Still others are interested in comparing with the Acer or other Windows machine. $500 cheaper and such garbage. Yes, $500 makes a big difference, but if you still aren't disillusioned from using Windows, maybe the next disappointment (Vista) will give you new cause to shut the Windows and open new doors. 2 ghz Windows is NOT as fast as 1.6 ghz Mac - think what you'll get done and how high the quality is. For games, right now you're still better with Windows, since toys are toys after all. But for great looking documents, pdf creation, innovative interface and features, and all the other crud at which that the Mac whoops butt, a $500 cheaper XP laptop is nothing more than an expensive joke. The MacBook is expensive, but at least you'll get a machine that gets more done and makes you less angry (hey, it could make you happy, if you're open to it).

Which brings me to my last rant - I probably sound like I think that the Mac OS is a cure-all that can do everything (except games) that Windows fails at. For me, that's pretty much true. For others that need specific software/hardware, obviously it's not that simple. Some people want dual boot and all that - it makes sense, since MS would still make money selling you a crappy OS that you can't escape from, though such a capability would make Apple Computers a viable choice for just about anybody and may in the long-term hurt Windows. The problems I have are (1) that seems a ways off, IF it were to happen, (2) I wonder if there's a gurantee against getting viruses, bugs etc on Windows and then finding new, unexplained problems in Mac or something like that, (3) to some degree it may not catch on very well since you'd still have to pay for an extra OS when that old PC or cheap-turd new one would suffice, (4) I just don't find it to be such a great solution - with the switch to Intel, more apps should work on Mac, and by the time something like dual boot happens, those software companies that haven't made stuff compatible with the Mac may have already made their stuff compatible; allowing a Windows solution may discourage software companies from making software compatible with the Mac itself, which I imagine is the best scenario in most cases. This last one could work out to be a filter that makes it so that those that recognize the potential of Mac make their software compatible and the nincompoops that don't will stay in the Windows solution - now, will you really need their software? I think: you need it now = it has some good to it = smart people are involved in making it = in or before a dual boot situation, it would be Mac compatible = no more need for dual boot (for non-developers anyway).

Maybe that's being too optimistic. Then again, even conservatively guessing, Apple should gain some degree of the market, quite possibly courting game developers and other software developers previously blind to everything other than Windows to make Mac-compatibility a reality. That would lead to greater market share. It's a problem of how easy they make it for the developers, and then, of how well the developers do, since a lot of Windows and Windows-Mac software, in my opinion, is inexcusably buggy and otherwise hard to use.

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So what's the problem with PCs that cause them to perform less-than-par and give insulting error messages? Well, it's not Intel, so....
 
Just reading these threads about dual layer burning, I think it is because the new "mac book" uses a 9mm drive, like my T43 Thinkpad. If you want a light and thin notebooks, this is what you get, a panasonic drive. Daul layer drives are all 13mm
 
BigHat said:
Got excited and bought a MacBook (loaded BTO). Then I went to see what was up with the new iMac.
Didn't take me long to scratch my head. CNDX'd the laptop and bought a loaded BTO iMac for about $500 less.

I've really gotten away from the tethered to the desk computing model but laptops just seem to keep running out of room with all the digital content. My external drives weigh as much as the damn laptop and I find that I don't back up as often as I should (aside from the .mac updates).

Think this iMac will make an awesome music server and with sharing capabilities I'll be able access the big files via Airport. Thinking a desktop PC (server) may be useful, even if you rarely sit in front of it.

I too will buy the next gen MacBook and live with my 17" G4 until then.

Thanks to all the insightful posts here that help illuminate the shortfalls of this unit.

I agree...if I were going to spend money, I would want a laptop because I need the portability. But whereas the iMac has some of the best features and praise as the all-round (save games, which don't count for me) best consumer desktop, the MacBook Pro is a new addition which comes in with a boom but also begs the question "what's next?" about smaller or larger models, about non-pro laptops and pricing, about how soon CS2 etc will be native (being a "Pro" machine), etc. A great consumer solution in the new iMacs, an incomplete line of Pro notebooks with no consumer notebooks to compare to. I guess the current MacBook Pro is to my Powerbook 12" what the PB 15" is to the iBook 12"...or maybe greater? And yet I'm a user that's more consumer than pro, so I don't care. I'll probably feel outdated with the MacBook (non Pro).
 
orl2222 said:
Just reading these threads about dual layer burning, I think it is because the new "mac book" uses a 9mm drive, like my T43 Thinkpad. If you want a light and thin notebooks, this is what you get, a panasonic drive. Daul layer drives are all 13mm
You're possibly right on that.

Now that iDVD supports 3rd party burners I think it's less of a problem than it could've been.

Maybe they'll go the whole hog with the MacBook Pro 12"(10"WS?) and dump the internal optical drive altogether to make an ultra portable book, maybe with an external drive in the box or under the assumption that most Pro 12" users will have a desktop too?
 
MacPro

Can anyone tell me what case the MacPro has? Is it going to be aluminum or plastic? maybe i'm looking in the wrong place but I can't find it.
Thanks.
 
mpw said:
You're possibly right on that.

Now that iDVD supports 3rd party burners I think it's less of a problem than it could've been.

Maybe they'll go the whole hog with the MacBook Pro 12"(10"WS?) and dump the internal optical drive altogether to make an ultra portable book, maybe with an external drive in the box or under the assumption that most Pro 12" users will have a desktop too?

That would work only if Apple and everybody else started to deliver their software electronically. How would you install stuff otherwise? Discs are too engrained in the industry to wipe out the drive completely. The external drive you mentioned might work and would be very forward thinking but very risky.
 
Rivix said:
Student discount is nice :)

Whats better?

  • 120GB Serial ATA drive @ 5400 rpm
  • 100GB Serial ATA drive @ 7200


I went with the 100GB@7200 [the priced upgrade is a steal, Dell wants $324 for the came upgrade]
 
Wkgstiff said:
Can anyone tell me what case the MacPro has? Is it going to be aluminum or plastic? maybe i'm looking in the wrong place but I can't find it.
Thanks.

From Macworld: "the 5.6-pound system is housed in a one-inch thick aluminum enclosure"

Answer: Aluminum.
 
digitalbiker said:
Don't fret. Stay calm. Remember this is the post Keynote high period. Soon things will come down to earth and you will start to see the real benchmarks from the very apps that you use. Many MacBook users are going to be running into problems with everything that they use.

You have to remember that this is not only all new hardware, but the OS is completely new too. All of the i'Life apps, safari, iTunes, etc. have never been released to the general public. Software testers try their best to find all of the bugs and work things out but inevitably many pass through and will be felt by these first time users.

You are in perfect position to sit back. Let the new users of the first Intel OS X machines find all the problems. Wait for the native binaries of software to be released. Let those bugs get worked out.

Then when the rev b or c Merom based MacBook Pro's are release you have a very workable, hardware, software solution.

So use your mature and bug free system with pride!

I totally agree.
 
Let's get this back on the road..

What I'm excited about is the next version of Virtual PC or Wine or VMWare. I'm guessing that MS, or whoever, will - instead of using software emulation - 'punch through to the iron' and run Windows directly on the hardware. That means, in principle, running windows apps at full speed - either full screen, in a separate window, or even interleaved with mac apps.

This is just huge.
 
There is a gleaming Apple logo on the back of the MacBook Pro?

I was wrong, the gleaming, centered Apple logo is on the back of these new MacBooks. From a design perspective, I always thought that was one of the coolest elements of the PowerBook and iBook (though it didn't gleam on that one).

Some of the pictures looked like a Lenovo ThinkPad and had me scared!
 
Think of it from Apple's point of view:
Say they have data that only 10% of their users use a modem, but it COSTS them $3 per unit to put it in. So for every million laptops apple sells, they are spending $3 Million to include a modem that only 10% (for illustration's sake) use.
If a small minority of people use a feature, a company looks at it as no longer cost-effective and begins to phase it out and offer an alternative.
If a majority of users were using modems regularly, Apple most likely would have kept it inside the machine.



Val-kyrie said:
So people who need a modem should have to spend $49 to buy a separate USB modem that costs $3 to include on a laptop? Modems are really still needed, especially for traveling, and you shouldn't have to carry it as an accessory when you are looking for portability. Unless you can prove that a modem is "out of date," your argument makes no sense. And BTW, not everyone uses everything that comes with an item, yet they still buy it. Your reverse bandwagon argument is illogical.
 
I'm not that worried about getting a Rev. A MacBook. The reason being, every "Rev. A" Apple product I ever owned that did have problems were of a physical nature. My TiBook that got keyboard imprints on the screen and chipped paint. My AlBook 15" 1.25ghz that went through three repairs before the "white spots" problem (caused by bad screen enclosures supposedly) went away. The guts inside this machine are new, but the body is essentially the same. I'm probably wrong for thinking this way, but that's how I see it.
 
Not sure if it's painted or not...

BigHat said:
dogsbody said:
My 3yr old 15" Powerbook doesn't have pits on the palm rest...and it's also made of Aluminium.

My 17" pitted. I think it's painted, isn't it?

I'm not sure if it is painted, actually. I've done some searching on Google and found an article saying that Al was better than Ti for the Powerbooks because Ti needs to be painted to prevent damage from oils etc but Aluminium can use a non-paint anodized finish....

Maybe I don't actually understand what 'pitting' really is...I was guessing it would look like microscopic acne scars.
 
dontmatter said:
And for that matter, what are you doing running ProTools on a laptop?

I feel like if you can't deal with just the 100 gigs in the book, and you can't deal with the incredibly slow speeds of firewire 400 <sarcasm>, perhaps you need, um, a desktop? or a desktop replacement system weighing in at 10 lbs from dell?

sure, lack of 800 sucks, but now it's apples to apples when comparing to windows machines, spec wise, and throwing in 800 means losing that battle more than they already are.

ummmmm

first of all...2 ports would have made this less of an issue...2 firewire 400 ports even. the issue is that you don''t daisy chain your drive and your audio interface. you simply dont. it begs for mishap
 
MacBook branding here to stay

Okay my tuppence worth (from the UK hehe) on this 'Pro' machine.

Firstly, the name 'MacBook Pro' is going to be here for some time guys, get used to it.. sure Powerbook is our baby but Apple had to use a new name so it could sell the two machines alongside...(clever heh lol).

Secondly, the iBook will cease to exist IMO, and surrender itself to an all new 13.3" MacBook that will cost £699 and £899 respectively.

I think the MacBook Pro is a lifesaver for Pro users, but I am disappointed that Apple is selling a 'Pro' product which doesnt have the two best processor speeds offered by Intel, 2Ghz/2.13Ghz. I would have been all in favour of two models at 2Ghz/2.13Ghz at £1499/£1999 respectively. If your going to pay a premium, you might as well pay a few hundred more for the ultimate best. Apple has always claimed (and still does) that it produces the best and most powerful personal computers. The PowerMac line really does show this - no other manufacturer with Apple's credibility can offer a machine to match or beat the PowerMac Quad. I feel the MacBook Pro needs to offer more powerful hardware solutions for those that are after the best. I am sure there are many who would like to pay an incredible amount to own the ultimate notebook from Apple that fries any PC-equivalent. At the moment, Apple is still not delivering to this end of the mobile market.

I think with future revisions, we will hopefully see a clearer distinction between the ultimate Apple notebook and PC offerings (Especially with the release of Merom). The ideal at this point would have been an X1800 GPU, Firewire 800, Super DL and a Dual 2.13Ghz Yonah, but Apple has done well to come up with what it has. Fair play to them for it.

As for the MacBook (iBook replacement), I am predicting it will be launched when Merom sees its way into the MacBook Pro, until then, another light G4 update may see itself into an iBook. I cant see Core Solo technology because the prices are basically the same as Core Duo and Apple would be silly to cripple the MacBook to this extent. (Especially when hardware comparisons between PC's and Macs have become transparent now)

It will probably be two models announced around August that offer:

Intel Core Duo Yonah 32bit at 1.66Ghz
512 RAM
X1600 128Mb GPU (Pro would see the X1800)
60Gig HD (upgradable to upto 100Gb)
SL Superdrives
iSight and Front Row on the £899 model

As for the MacBook Pro, it should see 2.0Ghz/2.2Ghz Meroms with 1Gig RAM standard, X1800 GPU with 256VRAM standard etc;etc;

Go Apple!!
 
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