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Apple Releases the MacBook Pro
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Come on now. Every one here seems to accept what Apple does. You guys honestly don't think they could have done a better job? I mean Acer has a better laptop for god's sake. Damn.
I don't understand...
I don't understand what it is you've written here. Aren't all computer manufacturers interested in profit? Are there some non-profit computer companies out there in the ether somewhere?
Also, I'm not sure how Apple "gouges" their customers. Generally, when we talk about "gouging" someone, we're talking about some sort of compulsion or dependency. I'm not sure where that fits in here. People aren't "dependent" on Apple laptops in any real sense. (All jokes of not being able to live without your current Powerbooks aside)
The MacBook Pro is a product that is being sold at a pre-determined price. People will either buy the laptop or not. Those who have bought the laptop have determined that to them, it is worth the listed price, regardless of whether or not they gripe about having paid a "premium" (read: being gouged) for Apple goods. People who don't buy the product also cannot have been "gouged" in any sense because they didn't fork over any money.
So I have to say, I'm a bit confused.
Photorun said:
I don't understand what it is you've written here. Aren't all computer manufacturers interested in profit? Are there some non-profit computer companies out there in the ether somewhere?
Also, I'm not sure how Apple "gouges" their customers. Generally, when we talk about "gouging" someone, we're talking about some sort of compulsion or dependency. I'm not sure where that fits in here. People aren't "dependent" on Apple laptops in any real sense. (All jokes of not being able to live without your current Powerbooks aside)
The MacBook Pro is a product that is being sold at a pre-determined price. People will either buy the laptop or not. Those who have bought the laptop have determined that to them, it is worth the listed price, regardless of whether or not they gripe about having paid a "premium" (read: being gouged) for Apple goods. People who don't buy the product also cannot have been "gouged" in any sense because they didn't fork over any money.
So I have to say, I'm a bit confused.
devman said:
And there we go. The only question I have is does it have OS X x86 drivers? I'm doubting it.
SiliconAddict said:
no go. Its a 54 and not 34 expresscard. But they will come soon enough...
SiliconAddict said:
From their specs page:
"Supported OS
Windows 98SE/ME/2000/XP
Mac OS 8.6 or above (including OS X and beyong)"
(sic)
http://www.xterasys.com/e94b_specifications.htm
Edit: oh well, lozion is right above...
devman said:
those drivers are probably built under the PPC architecture not the new x86 one. It’s similar to how you can't simply drop video drivers from OS X PPC onto the new x86.
lozion said:
DOH! I thought that card looked a bit large.
Counter said:Who needs expensive blu-ray drives and ultra pricey media when you can just use 5 standard dvd's?
Now that would just be silly.
Oh, and "5 standard dvd's" what? What belonging to the DVD are you referring to with your possessive use in that sentence?
devman said:
Yep, I agree. I'll be bypassing DL for Blu Ray, and that won't even be until later this year when prices become more reasonable. For now, SL works just fine for me.
SiliconAddict said:Did it ever occur to you that Apple may have been interested in better battery life then that .17Mhz speed bump?
Actually the higher mhz don't use more power. The 2.8 Ghz Sossaman/Yonah which is same core as the duo core uses 31 watt/hour just like the other Duo Cores.
kenstee said:
I have a news flash for the nay-sayers. They only rushed it out too fast if people don't buy them. Period.
People are buying them. Their success will, ofcourse, be determined a couple months from now. It's odd that people are upset about a couple points and they gloss over all the *major advantages.* It's insanity to me, but I'll let you have your point of view. You don't want one. That's fine. For me, it fits all of my criteria and I plopped down the cash for one.
When the G5 came out I didn't buy one. Why? Because of factors that had little to do with their power or features. Although people griped about a lack of this or that, it was about portability to me. So, I understand criticism on the part of people who this doesn't meet their needs ... but my feeling is that there's 1% of you out there and you're all in one forum. I feel like it's a skewed version of reality.
I just read the unsanity article and this guy doesn't "get it" at all. It's unbelievable. I guess he's just ranting but most of the points he says are negatives are positives to me. Oh well.
Macbooks pro
Hi.
I've been reading this forum for quite some time, but this is the first time that I post here.
I'm kinda dissapointed with you all.... I mean....do you even know how the PC architecture is?????
Guys...I don't have a Mac symply because I don't have the money to buy one, but that does not mean that I don't know one...I have to work with them at the university and I think it's a great platform.
Now, getting to the point.... Intel offers lower consumption CPUs,, but they are underpowered for managing a complex task such as running OS X and emulating the PPC architecture. Granted, they have a battery life that makes their competitors shame on theirselfs....
Second...design. Do you want a slimmer MacBook? granted...but...you will have to loose Firewire 400 and 800, because they are too tall to fit on a slim notebook. Do you want a Superdrive? no sir... DVD drives are too tall to fit on a slim notebook. So...what does it have then?? Just USB2, PC Card Slot and Wi-fi...no optical drive at all. Are you willing to loose all that just to get a thinner laptop? I don't.
Third. NO Dual-Layer DVD Drive? BIG mistake, Apple.
If you want a resistant laptop...get a roughed notebook...just plain and simple. Apple laptops have style....if durability comes with the style (as with the aluminum case), the better the laptop is.
FW800...please.... does anyone uses it????? does it have a REAL use right now?
Like one guy said before, the top bitrate for a codec is 100mbit per second and that is 4 times slower than the FW400 is capable of. Granted, there could be hard drives that require the FW800 port, but... did you know that the hard drive speed DOES NOT VARIES OR DEPEND FROM THE HARD DRIVE BUS?
The hard drive speed mainly depends on the spin speed, (the RPMs), the access time (the time that the magnet gets to the cylynder or block and is measured in ms) and the amount of cache memory that it has.
If you buy a 5400 RPM hard drive with 2mb of buffer, it's practically THE SAME connecting it to a FW400 or FW800 port...the drive will work at the same speed. Different is the story if you connect an external S-ATA drive to an external S-ATA port...the hard drive will scream in speed (obviously if we are talking about a 10,000 rpm hard drive with 8mb buffer).
Now...talking about the bios....all the Intel Macs WILL NOT BE USING BIOS!!!!!... They will be using EFI, so stop having that fear.
Battery life?? It will be the same as the 15 inch PowerBook...maybe a bit better, because of the battery structure (lithium polymer cells are lighter and store more energy).
Now, if you say that the features found in the MacBook pro are little...let me tell you sommething: I know about PC architecture. I've built my own computer and if there is somthing that is a troublemaker is the cooling system and the power supply. Do you know how many watts does an ATi Radeon x1600 consumes? If you don't, then shut the **** up, because they are power-hungry...in fact, the whole graphics system will eat your battery like when homer simpson eats a donut...yeah, that fast. Do you know how to cool a x1600 chip? in fact, it needs a huge heatsink (well...it's "normal" for a desktop PC) and putting it in a VERY small package such as the MacBook is...man..THAT's engeneering!!.
Now, going back to FW800...there was a point that someone before noted it: Intel IS NOT going to design a new chipset just for Apple. Right now, Intel DOES NOT have FW in their chips, but it will, since Apple is with them, but...forget about being the only ones with FW800. If Intel implements FW800 in its new chipsets, ALL PC manufacturers and motherboard manufacturers will have access to that technology. That's good and bad. It's good because it will be an standard just as FW400 is, but it will no longer be "apple-only".
By the way, I have a 2 year old Pentium 4 (Northwood core, 2.0 Ghz with 512k L2 cache and SSE2) and it screams in speed with Mac OS X (yeah, I've managed to get it into my PC) compared to how it goes with Windows XP. I only hope that the 10.4.4 release will be cracked shortly. I know I will loose speed emulating SSE3 and then emulating PPC, but it's all worth if I have that beautiful OS on my machine. In fact, I'm writing this post from Safary x86. ^^
Regards.
Miguel
PS: sorry for my english. there's been a while that i don't practice it.
Hi.
I've been reading this forum for quite some time, but this is the first time that I post here.
I'm kinda dissapointed with you all.... I mean....do you even know how the PC architecture is?????
Guys...I don't have a Mac symply because I don't have the money to buy one, but that does not mean that I don't know one...I have to work with them at the university and I think it's a great platform.
Now, getting to the point.... Intel offers lower consumption CPUs,, but they are underpowered for managing a complex task such as running OS X and emulating the PPC architecture. Granted, they have a battery life that makes their competitors shame on theirselfs....
Second...design. Do you want a slimmer MacBook? granted...but...you will have to loose Firewire 400 and 800, because they are too tall to fit on a slim notebook. Do you want a Superdrive? no sir... DVD drives are too tall to fit on a slim notebook. So...what does it have then?? Just USB2, PC Card Slot and Wi-fi...no optical drive at all. Are you willing to loose all that just to get a thinner laptop? I don't.
Third. NO Dual-Layer DVD Drive? BIG mistake, Apple.
If you want a resistant laptop...get a roughed notebook...just plain and simple. Apple laptops have style....if durability comes with the style (as with the aluminum case), the better the laptop is.
FW800...please.... does anyone uses it????? does it have a REAL use right now?
Like one guy said before, the top bitrate for a codec is 100mbit per second and that is 4 times slower than the FW400 is capable of. Granted, there could be hard drives that require the FW800 port, but... did you know that the hard drive speed DOES NOT VARIES OR DEPEND FROM THE HARD DRIVE BUS?
The hard drive speed mainly depends on the spin speed, (the RPMs), the access time (the time that the magnet gets to the cylynder or block and is measured in ms) and the amount of cache memory that it has.
If you buy a 5400 RPM hard drive with 2mb of buffer, it's practically THE SAME connecting it to a FW400 or FW800 port...the drive will work at the same speed. Different is the story if you connect an external S-ATA drive to an external S-ATA port...the hard drive will scream in speed (obviously if we are talking about a 10,000 rpm hard drive with 8mb buffer).
Now...talking about the bios....all the Intel Macs WILL NOT BE USING BIOS!!!!!... They will be using EFI, so stop having that fear.
Battery life?? It will be the same as the 15 inch PowerBook...maybe a bit better, because of the battery structure (lithium polymer cells are lighter and store more energy).
Now, if you say that the features found in the MacBook pro are little...let me tell you sommething: I know about PC architecture. I've built my own computer and if there is somthing that is a troublemaker is the cooling system and the power supply. Do you know how many watts does an ATi Radeon x1600 consumes? If you don't, then shut the **** up, because they are power-hungry...in fact, the whole graphics system will eat your battery like when homer simpson eats a donut...yeah, that fast. Do you know how to cool a x1600 chip? in fact, it needs a huge heatsink (well...it's "normal" for a desktop PC) and putting it in a VERY small package such as the MacBook is...man..THAT's engeneering!!.
Now, going back to FW800...there was a point that someone before noted it: Intel IS NOT going to design a new chipset just for Apple. Right now, Intel DOES NOT have FW in their chips, but it will, since Apple is with them, but...forget about being the only ones with FW800. If Intel implements FW800 in its new chipsets, ALL PC manufacturers and motherboard manufacturers will have access to that technology. That's good and bad. It's good because it will be an standard just as FW400 is, but it will no longer be "apple-only".
By the way, I have a 2 year old Pentium 4 (Northwood core, 2.0 Ghz with 512k L2 cache and SSE2) and it screams in speed with Mac OS X (yeah, I've managed to get it into my PC) compared to how it goes with Windows XP. I only hope that the 10.4.4 release will be cracked shortly. I know I will loose speed emulating SSE3 and then emulating PPC, but it's all worth if I have that beautiful OS on my machine. In fact, I'm writing this post from Safary x86. ^^
Regards.
Miguel
PS: sorry for my english. there's been a while that i don't practice it.
I wanted to say one last thing about the MacBook Pro ... I fully expect it to take 6 months before this product can run everything at full speed and the hiccups are all ironed out. I'm okay with that. I has Mac OS X beta the day it was out, too. I'm the kind of guy who won't be bothered by this, but I'd understand if people wouldn't want to move forward just yet. I'm a tech-whore.
cybermiguel said:
Welcome to the forums. This was a good first post.
Some of us who have been here a couple years are seeing a lot of new people come on. This is good news. There was a day that you'd be loosing long time people left and right. Those days are over!
Display Contrast Ratio?
I know that this is the "brightest" display that Apple has ever released in a laptop, compariable to the Apple Cinema Displays... but does anybody know that actual contrast ratio of the display in the new MacBook Pros?
"See brighter whites and darker blacks" isn't really doing it for me. I need a number. Like my Samsung 910T has a contrast ratio of 800:1. There that wasn't so hard. Apple what's your freaking contrast ratio? While we're at it, does anybody know the response time too?
I know that this is the "brightest" display that Apple has ever released in a laptop, compariable to the Apple Cinema Displays... but does anybody know that actual contrast ratio of the display in the new MacBook Pros?
"See brighter whites and darker blacks" isn't really doing it for me. I need a number. Like my Samsung 910T has a contrast ratio of 800:1. There that wasn't so hard. Apple what's your freaking contrast ratio? While we're at it, does anybody know the response time too?
Attribute to the integrated iSight. Actually, now it's a true 16:9 aspect ratio I think.Rivix said:Really? Thats weird...
EDIT: ok I lied. i'm a little slow at math.
MacBook Pro (1440 x 900) is a 1.6:1 ratio
PowerBook 15" (1440 x 960) is a 1.5:1 ratio
PowerBook 17" (1680 x 1050) is a 1.6:1 ratio
HDTV (1920 x 1080) is a 1.78:1 ratio
** It would be nice if the 15" MacBook Pro had a resolution as high as the 17" Powerbook.
In keeping with Apple's new policy of ever more vague benchmarks ("Performances per Watt" anyone?):
"Lots"!
"Best ever"!
Randall said:
"Lots"!
Randall said:
"Best ever"!
lmao thanks "Steve"whooleytoo said:In keeping with Apple's new policy of ever more vague benchmarks ("Performances per Watt" anyone?):
"Lots"!
"Best ever"!
lozion said:
Hm. Aren't the new hard drive and the expresscard going to have a lot greater impact on speed and "snappiness" than people think, since so much of the system relies on swapping to disk? And wouldn't that be a good tradeoff for some of the other losses to the system?
lozion said:
am i wrong in thinking that setting the scratch disk as a different drive than the drive protools (or final cut or cubase etc) is on is the best bet so long as the speed of the drives is comparable. and aside from speed it is better for stability...no?
in other words, regardless of the speed of the internal drive, external is the first choice for pro apps
o and lozion...your speculation about new audio interface cards is exactrly why i dont want to HAVE to use the slot for FW800 ... we'll see though.
SiliconAddict said:Youll get a moderate performance boost. Is it worth $100 though? No idea. www.barefeats.com did a few benchmarks of 5400 vs. 7200 RPM drives. Some of the 'marks showed fairly significant performance boosts. Some didn't. IMHO if 100GB is good enough for you Id go for it. Personally? Im waiting for the 160GB 7200 RPM drives to ship. Ill upgrade then.
Here is a review of the drive that is likely in the Macbook [Seagate Momentus 7200.1] .Can anyone confirm on the machines at MacWorld ?
http://www.storagereview.com/articles/200511/notebook_1.html
On a small sidenote does anyone else think Apple's *vomits a little bit* MacBook Pro Site Sucks?
Note that I'm using FireFox 1.0.4 but still. This IMHO shouldn't be happening.
Sure it looks teh sexy but I've seen better sites designed by teenagers.
Note that I'm using FireFox 1.0.4 but still. This IMHO shouldn't be happening.
Sure it looks teh sexy but I've seen better sites designed by teenagers.
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