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madmanuk said:
So you're saying, because its happened before its ok for them to do it again?

I think what madmanuk meant was that it's not like this is something that never happens with every major release from Apple. My 15" was delayed a week or so when it sent. It's not like they have broken Jobs' statement yet anyway. Apple has stated that they'd be out by the end of the month. It's not even halfway through february and you're all complaining.

What's even funnier is that all of these people that got angry at me for not being happy with a "MacBook Pro" are now considering canceling their orders, and some are even doing it as we type.

My sympathies with those of you who have to wait, it sucks—I know—but it's not like it was unexpected.
 
madmanuk said:
So you're saying, because its happened before its ok for them to do it again?

I agree. There are many that will apologise for Apple, but in truth whenever I actually have to deal with the company I find myself itching to switch back to MS.

Steve Jobs et al, p*ssed off so many people with the G5 and yet here we are again and they don't seem to care. As long as it sounds good in his keynote he doesn't give a f*ck.

In protest I am trying to pursaude those of you that aren't yet mac users to cancel your orders and stop the flood of switchers... us poor apple addicts have been here too long to change back, but leave whilst you can if you can... Apple always shaft their customers....honest :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
jacobj said:
...As long as it sounds good in his keynote he doesn't give a f*ck....
I know it's hard to have to wait but like has been said Jobs said February in his keynote and it's only the 11th today, so there's really no need for so much venom. That said I can't see IQ having any before mid March.
 
zync said:
It's not like they have broken Jobs' statement yet anyway. Apple has stated that they'd be out by the end of the month. It's not even halfway through february and you're all complaining.

Much of what you say is valid except your 2 main points. Yes it is only half way through February, but some that ordered on 10th Feb will not receive their orders until middle march..that's not FEB.


zync said:
What's even funnier is that all of these people that got angry at me for not being happy with a "MacBook Pro" are now considering canceling their orders, and some are even doing it as we type.

The fact that some of us are tempted to cancel our order is not because we believe the MBP to be a sub-standard machine but because we are protesting at Apple for once again failing to deliver on a promise..... why announce early is they can't deliver on time.. I'll tell you why: to impress the press and the analysts...it was sod the customers... don't kid yourself into believing SJ gives 2 sh*ts about this delay yet because it is not being covered in the press..
Apple under SJ is a company of hype and cult like dedication...where many will not even criticise... its incredible..
 
mpw said:
I know it's hard to have to wait but like has been said Jobs said February in his keynote and it's only the 11th today, so there's really no need for so much venom. That said I can't see IQ having any before mid March.

Calm is my strong point..but I see your point. This venom comes from 3 years of dealing with Apple and them failing every single time without fail.. honestly I may just be unlucky, but I have ordered from Apple directly maybe 10 times and every single time my order slipped... and now they refuse to let me order directly and then they start slipping orders well beyond a reasonabe date.... this is insane.. and I am venomous.

PS: Good morning by the way ;)
 
jacobj said:
Much of what you say is valid except your 2 main points. Yes it is only half way through February, but some that ordered on 10th Feb will not receive their orders until middle march..that's not FEB.

when I placed my order I was given a despatch date of february 7th.
that has now passed and they have twice informed me of the delay ON THE DAY of supposed despatch - and some of you seem to see nothing wrong with this.

If you put your car in for a repair and were told three days and it took 9 would that be fine too?
 
jacobj said:
Much of what you say is valid except your 2 main points. Yes it is only half way through February, but some that ordered on 10th Feb will not receive their orders until middle march..that's not FEB...
:confused: So you agree that we're not yet out of the time period Jobs quoted in his keynote, so no foul. And someone ordering on the 10th of Feb will have been advised prior to order from the Apple Store that shipping of their order would be 3-4weeks, so if they don't get theirs in Feb either there's still no foul.

Has anyone else found that other firms slip their delivery times? Ever ordered a new car? waited for a magazine subscription? not had milk for your Corn Flakes? had to wait for a no smoking ban? bought a sofa? had a carpet cleaned? waited for a washing machine to be delivered? etc. etc.

And good morning:)
 
madmanuk said:
when I placed my order I was given a despatch date of february 7th.
that has now passed and they have twice informed me of the delay ON THE DAY of supposed despatch - and some of you seem to see nothing wrong with this.

If you put your car in for a repair and were told three days and it took 9 would that be fine too?
OK I agree that missing a target isn't great but it happens all the time and people should learn to take quoted delivery times with a pinch of salt, especially from firms which have a poor track record as Apple do. It ain't right but that's the way it is and the only alternative in most cases would be to not give you any idea of when it's expected. Apple don't do this on purpose they WANT to sell you a MBP today but they're being let down by the Chinese, maybe they should start building them in the US, Europe or Japan.
 
mpw said:
:confused: So you agree that we're not yet out of the time period Jobs quoted in his keynote, so no foul. And someone ordering on the 10th of Feb will have been advised prior to order from the Apple Store that shipping of their order would be 3-4weeks, so if they don't get theirs in Feb either there's still no foul.

Has anyone else found that other firms slip their delivery times? Ever ordered a new car? waited for a magazine subscription? not had milk for your Corn Flakes? had to wait for a no smoking ban? bought a sofa? had a carpet cleaned? waited for a washing machine to be delivered? etc. etc.

And good morning:)

The person who's order slipped to 3rd march ordered on 10th Jan..

yes I have had to wait, but not by so much
 
mpw said:
Apple don't do this on purpose they WANT to sell you a MBP today but they're being let down by the Chinese, maybe they should start building them in the US, Europe or Japan.

Or maybe only the 1.83s are slipping because they would rather delay the MBP and put them in the iMac.. the iMac is their design icon after all..
 
I have counted to 10 and re-read my posts... apologies to all if I seemed a little too upset. I think I have a point, but I may have expressed it with too much venom
 
madmanuk said:
So you're saying, because its happened before its ok for them to do it again?

That wasn't what I meant and it seems that were all a bit calmer today, anyway. (group hug! :) ) The G5s slipped due to promises being broken upstream of Apple and that's probably the case here, as well. I've also received orders well ahead of estimates, for example my cinema display and my 1.67 PB. Another point is that even though I had to wait for my G5, it's been running faultlessly (apart from a couple of software glitches) 24/7 since I got it. I'd rather wait for that than suffer through hardware failures due to Apple rushing their products out to hit deadlines.
 
I'm not understanding some of the logic in the posts here.

1) Jobs said the MBP would SHIP in Feb.
a) Feb isn't even half over yet
b) Even if SOME orders made last week won't ship until
March that doesn't violate what Jobs said. Again, he said the MBP
would SHIP in Feb. He never explicity said or implied all MBP orders
would ship in Feb, or that the MBP would be available in large quantity
in Feb. If that was your believe it was purely your inference alone.

I ordered my MBP about 30 minutes after the keynote ended. Since Jan 10 my ship date has been Feb 15. It's still Feb 15 as I type. Perhaps Apple will push this back come next week, but they have not yet. Why complain about something that has not yet occured and which you don't know will occur?
 
Chupa Chupa said:
I'm not understanding some of the logic in the posts here.

1) Jobs said the MBP would SHIP in Feb.
a) Feb isn't even half over yet
b) Even if SOME orders made last week won't ship until
March that doesn't violate what Jobs said. Again, he said the MBP
would SHIP in Feb. He never explicity said or implied all MBP orders
would ship in Feb, or that the MBP would be available in large quantity
in Feb. If that was your believe it was purely your inference alone.

Personally I don't care what Jobs siad in the keynote, the frustation comes from recieving an email/order confirmation on 10th Jan stating an estimated ship date of 7th Feb. (MBP 1.83, 2GB, 100MB 7200)

I then wait for 4 weeks, on the day of the shiiping date I get an email telling me it's slipped 3 days.

3 days later on the afternoon of the new shiping date I get another email telling me it's slipped another 4 weeks (10th March).

Then after I speak to someone at the Apple Store I'm told that according to his system my shipping date is actually 21st March!! (But he'll try to get it moved forward and it might be earlier than this).

So why not just let me know sooner rather than later about it? It can't be that difficult can it?

Also I order this MBP two hours within them being announced so if they start being delivered to people who purchased them after me that's gonna hurt even more. If they're all delayed then fine but if it's just so some markets/areas get them before other then that sucks.
 
teetoo said:
Personally I don't care what Jobs siad in the keynote, the frustation comes from recieving an email/order confirmation on 10th Jan stating an estimated ship date of 7th Feb. (MBP 1.83, 2GB, 100MB 7200)

I then wait for 4 weeks, on the day of the shiiping date I get an email telling me it's slipped 3 days.

3 days later on the afternoon of the new shiping date I get another email telling me it's slipped another 4 weeks (10th March).

Then after I speak to someone at the Apple Store I'm told that according to his system my shipping date is actually 21st March!! (But he'll try to get it moved forward and it might be earlier than this).

So why not just let me know sooner rather than later about it? It can't be that difficult can it?

Also I order this MBP two hours within them being announced so if they start being delivered to people who purchased them after me that's gonna hurt even more. If they're all delayed then fine but if it's just so some markets/areas get them before other then that sucks.

My local store tells me that they WILL be getting 1.67 GHz in the next 10 days, but that there is no news of the 1.83... so my speculation that apple is not getting enough 1.83s and will not let both the iMac and MacBook suffer, so they divert all to the currently shipping iMac.

I, like many others may wait for rev b and cancel the existing orders if the end of march begins to look likely..
 
Chupa Chupa said:
I'm not understanding some of the logic in the posts here.

I ordered my MBP about 30 minutes after the keynote ended. Since Jan 10 my ship date has been Feb 15. It's still Feb 15 as I type. Perhaps Apple will push

How many more times?
My original estimated ship date was Feb 7th NOT Feb 15th.
 
teetoo said:
If they're all delayed then fine but if it's just so some markets/areas get them before other then that sucks.

But that is often the case with the rollout of most products...one market does get product first. Usually with Apple products, the US gets shipped first, followed by Europe and Asia. It's just a matter of distribution logistics. Even within the US some areas get product before others.
 
jacobj said:
My local store tells me that they WILL be getting 1.67 GHz in the next 10 days, but that there is no news of the 1.83... so my speculation that apple is not getting enough 1.83s and will not let both the iMac and MacBook suffer, so they divert all to the currently shipping iMac.

I, like many others may wait for rev b and cancel the existing orders if the end of march begins to look likely..


Maybe but I think the more logical reason is Apple wants to fix the Front Row video bug before shipping the 1.83 rather than have everyone crap up the AppleCare phone lines at Day 1.

As for canceling, I don't really see the logic. Rev B is at least 6 months away. If you can wait 6 months then why buy a Rev A in the first place?
 
Chupa Chupa said:
Maybe but I think the more logical reason is Apple wants to fix the Front Row video bug before shipping the 1.83 rather than have everyone crap up the AppleCare phone lines at Day 1.

As for canceling, I don't really see the logic. Rev B is at least 6 months away. If you can wait 6 months then why buy a Rev A in the first place?

You may have a point re cancelling the order.. i am failing to be rational about this... always happens to me when i have too much caffiene..
 
Me Too...

First post! I am another UK reader with the same story. Ordered on day of keynote, given shipping by 7th Feb, slipped to 10th Feb and now slipped to 10th March. Oddly, the payment authorization is currently sitting on my credit card (not the actual payment).

I get the impression that there is no accurate information being fed into the ordering system from the production end, so Apple people are left to quote whatever dates the automated ordering system currently gives, not knowing what the real situation is.

This does give a very poor impression of Apple. If they are going to grow their market share they have got to get this sorted out.
 
My Little Scheme

So went into the Apple Store where I live and talked to some of the sales folks, one guy said he thinks the pre-order folks will get their Macbooks before the stores do.

But anyway here is what I did. The store had some returned Intel iMacs, so I bought one, they said I can return it if I want with no restocking fee. So I am trying out the 17" 1.83ghz for a few days to make sure Adobe CS meets my needs on the machine. So far runs fine. No noticable performance in CS as compared to my Powerbook. I can return it within 14 days so if the Mac book doesnt ship I will just wait till the 24th and then take it back. Have to say apps open quick on this puppy and it only has 512 mb. Im impressed as I have a 12" Powerbook that runs pretty slow on 512mb. I bought the extra ram but not going to open it just yet. Any hoo thats my little scheme, try it out at an Apple Store near you!
 
jacobj said:
Much of what you say is valid except your 2 main points. Yes it is only half way through February, but some that ordered on 10th Feb will not receive their orders until middle march..that's not FEB.

They can revise their orders both ways you know. My point was that people are complaining and they weren't supposed to have received the machines for another three weeks. Nota bene: he said they'd be ready to sell by the end of February. No where on Apple's site do they mention that being ready to sell and shipping are the same thing. You have no right to expect that just because you ordered online you'll be sent your shipment to arrive when the units arrive in store.


jacobj said:
The fact that some of us are tempted to cancel our order is not because we believe the MBP to be a sub-standard machine but because we are protesting at Apple for once again failing to deliver on a promise..... why announce early is they can't deliver on time.. I'll tell you why: to impress the press and the analysts...it was sod the customers... don't kid yourself into believing SJ gives 2 sh*ts about this delay yet because it is not being covered in the press..
Apple under SJ is a company of hype and cult like dedication...where many will not even criticise... its incredible..

I didn't say anything about that. I just found it to be somewhat ironic. And yeah, of course he doesn't care because it's not getting press, but I'm sure he does care that there's a possibility of getting bad press if they don't start to deliver soon enough.

jacobj said:
I have counted to 10 and re-read my posts... apologies to all if I seemed a little too upset. I think I have a point, but I may have expressed it with too much venom

We're all guilty of that every now and then. And again, let me reiterate that I really feel for you guys, despite pointing out that aforementioned irony. I know what it's like to have to wait for your nice perfect laptop to come from Apple. It sucks.
 
madmanuk said:
when I placed my order I was given a despatch date of february 7th.
that has now passed and they have twice informed me of the delay ON THE DAY of supposed despatch - and some of you seem to see nothing wrong with this.

If you put your car in for a repair and were told three days and it took 9 would that be fine too?

I, for one, never said that I didn't see anything wrong with it. I did however say that it should be expected as it's always been the case, as of late at least, with Apple.

mpw said:
Ever ordered a new car?

Haha, try getting a Ferrari Enzo. You have to be picked to buy one :) I remember a lot of people waiting for over a year to get the new Thunderbird when it debuted.
 
I haven't been complaining as of yet, because as has been said, my estimated ship date of Feb 15th still isn't here yet... if once it gets here they push it back, then I'll be really ticked off- I'm already anxious enough as it is waiting on it, being my first Mac. However.....

zync said:
You have no right to expect that just because you ordered online you'll be sent your shipment to arrive when the units arrive in store.

The way I see it, we have EVERY right to expect that since we *PRE*-ordered them over a month ago now, for our orders to arrive to us when they do in-store. What's the point in pre-ordering something if you're going to have to sit back and wait that much longer while everyone else gets their pick at them before us? Part of the incentive of pre-ordering, in addition to knowing you won't have to fight for one, is that we expect to get it either at the same time as the stores or even before.
 
elbirth said:
The way I see it, we have EVERY right to expect that since we *PRE*-ordered them over a month ago now, for our orders to arrive to us when they do in-store. What's the point in pre-ordering something if you're going to have to sit back and wait that much longer while everyone else gets their pick at them before us? Part of the incentive of pre-ordering, in addition to knowing you won't have to fight for one, is that we expect to get it either at the same time as the stores or even before.

Apple doesn't consider ordering when a product is announced pre-ordering and as far as I know they never have. No where on their site does it mention pre-ordering. They only allow you to order online. When I received my PowerBook, I could have just gotten it in-store about a week before. It was my first Mac and I wasn't sure about the demand beforehand so I let the order stand.

Generally pre-orders require some amount of money up-front. IE, when you pre-order a game console you're expected to put a deposit on it to make sure that you'll get it when it arrives in the store. Of course this is not true in all cases, but this money is usually required to reserve something for you. All things that are pre-ordered, however, are the same exact object, not BTO computers.

Apple doesn't do this. This would be silly for them to do, first of all. Why? If Apple worked on a pre-order system, they'd be expected to get each customer's order out in the order they were received but this doesn't make sense in the case of upgrades. Why should someone have to wait for Apple to get a special hard drive to complete someone else's order before sending out their order that Apple can fulfill right now? If they worked on a pre-order system it would work like that. As far as I know, NO computer manufacturer works on a pre-order basis. So really you can't expect that of Apple either.

The advantage of ordering from Apple is that you don't have to go somewhere to get your computer. In a lot of places there aren't Apple Stores or even resellers, so this is quite a convenience. Also, it, as you said, makes it so you don't have to fight over them in the store. No matter what they can't ship to you before they ship to the stores either. They're trying to fulfill demand. It wouldn't really be fair of them to only have 500 ready and only ship those 500, would it? You might say yes. Well, what if they'd have 500 today to ship and they wouldn't have another 500 to ship for two weeks? It makes sense in that case to ship everything two weeks later. If they shipped them in smaller increments there would be haves and have-nots and we all know how that goes.

You have every right to be peeved. You have every right to complain, but you don't have the right to expect to get yours first just because you ordered online. Apple doesn't give special preference for ordering first, at least not when the demand is HUGE. Also, the reason why online orders would come after store orders is because they all have to wait for enough units to be built, and then stores get preference because they need display models. You might expect them to only ship a few, but not only is that cost-prohibitive when they have to send the store sale units anyway, but it is also ridiculous to display something and not have any available to buy. Thus online units ship second, and thus you might have to wait for additional delays to shipping. That's how it works. It might be crappy, but it's perfectly logical.

In ANY case Apple said they'd be available late February. Late February they'll be available and early March you'll have them shipped and in your hands.

It's a tough wait. Sorry. It sucks, but there's nothing you can do about it except not buy Apple hardware. And we all know that's an even worse choice.
 
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