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Apple Removes Fortnite From App Store [Update: Epic Files Lawsuit Against Apple]
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I tried to read this about 10 times to figure out what you were trying to say and I still don't get it.
YOU think this is bad. Most people don’t give a damn.
If you want to do all that, go Android and live with a platform that we constantly hear is subject to a plethora of bad apps.
Or, stay with Apple’s walled garden and remove worry and concern.
i can be fine with through apple pay but the choice needs to be there. if there is a breech come on there will be one it just means the company needs to do better.
Oh, noes! Apple removed Fortnite and that's just terrible. Oh, wait. I don't have Fortnite on any of my devices, so why should I care. I guess those who want to play Fortnite will have to buy another smartphone or jailbreak their iPhones. Tough luck. It will be interesting to see how Apple handles game-streaming renegades. So Apple is being put out of business by a couple of developers who don't agree with the Apple house rules. Wow! Apple is almost a $2T company and they're being beaten down by a few developers. That's lame. I wonder why developers put their games on the Apple App Store when they know the rules. They should just avoid Apple and only put their games on the Google Play Store where anything is allowed.
I'm glad I have my Sony Playstations to use for games. I'll be buying a PS5 when it comes out and that will be good enough. I don't know if Fortnite runs on it, but I won't be playing that game, anyway.
I'm glad I have my Sony Playstations to use for games. I'll be buying a PS5 when it comes out and that will be good enough. I don't know if Fortnite runs on it, but I won't be playing that game, anyway.
You want to sell in Apple's store for their platform you must play by Apple's rules. There are a ton of alternatives. Apple has less than 20% market share. No one has the right to sell on Apple's platforms. What if Apple banned all third party apps? It's their right to do it if they wanted to. They own the platform.
I can't get it for $8 in the app. That's the point. It just got pulled. Apple doesn't let me buy it through Epic. Apparently that's only allowed if I'm buying a cheeseburger or pizza.
In terms of the Apps removal, I’d say Apple have acted fairly - as it breaks the rules which all other devs are expected to follow. Not removing it, just fuels the fire surrounding the claims Apple favours some developers over others because of the pull their content has.
On the flip side, you do have to question if the 30% 1 size fits all fee is fair now, considering the size and scale of the App Store. Would a sliding scale be better these days? Or something like the PayPal/Stripe charging models, with a fixed $0.50 plus 5%... per transaction or similar, but then that could push up prices on the low end...
On the flip side, you do have to question if the 30% 1 size fits all fee is fair now, considering the size and scale of the App Store. Would a sliding scale be better these days? Or something like the PayPal/Stripe charging models, with a fixed $0.50 plus 5%... per transaction or similar, but then that could push up prices on the low end...
if we own the devices it dosnt matter we should be able to decided to use apples platform or not
In 2008 when Steve Jobs announced the App Store he said Apple didn’t intend for it to make money. So it seems the original goal for the App Store was for it to be break even.
Prepare for the onslaught of insufferable puritans claiming muh https://privacy.com, muh paying behind Apple is somehow more private even though disposable cards are still linked to your canonical account etc.
Affordability > Pretend privacy
Good on Epic. Hopefully this and more Congressional scrutiny will end Apple's monopolistic and asinine 30% extortion
they pick and choose where to enforce thats the problem.
How is Epic preying on people, if a consumer enters into a transaction willingly to buy those items. The only harm done is the consumers having to pay more for those items via the app store than they would pay if they could buy directly from the maker. How are they overpriced if the consumer is willing to pay that price, by your logic every item for sale anywhere is overpriced if you decide they are, but another person may decice that that price is worth it and buy accordingly. As for your comments about children and teens, Apple have built in parental controls into IOS for quite a while now, it is up to the parents to do something as radical as parenting to set these controls up, after all it is the parents who mostly buy these devices for their kids, and its up to parents to parent properly so their kid doesnt think it is ok to borrow mom or dads credit card to buy things. Devices like iPhones and iPads have been around long enough and there has been so many stories in the press in the past about kids running up huge bills on games that parents these days should be aware of the pitfalls of letting their kids buy what they want.
That’s not how the media and politics work. It will be immediately pinned on Apple. I can already see the MR comments.
A part of it is the lucraisation of it. MacOS has a small market share which means the potential is lower. IOS has a much much higher market share meaning a more lucrative target. It's partly why Windows gets a lot of malware and why Linux, MacOS, etc, gets much less (as mentioned before someone comes down my throat, I said partly).
If you're referring to taking away the option to purchase V-bucks using IAP and requiring users to purchase them via the web or other platforms, they can't do that. Apple only allows that workaround for "reader" apps, which includes categories in which Apple itself is directly competing such as video streaming and cloud file storage, but not games. If Epic did this, Apple would block Fortnite app updates (except bug fixes) unless and until they offered IAP.
So, if they'd be breaking the rules anyway, might as well go all out.
Totally. Those are the choices. Android or Apple.
If I've got this right, Epic said you can pay £9.99 if you go through the App Store, or you can pay Epic £7.99 directly.
Okay, but both Apple and Epic have to pay a payment processor to actually collect that money.
So let's say the cost of processing a payment is £0.99 (for simplicity's sake). Apple send 70% of that £9.99 to Epic so Epic get £7.00, and Apple pays for the payment processing out of their cut:
Epic's costs are £7.00 - £0.99 = £6.00
Apple's are £9.99 - £7.00 - £0.99 = £2.00
Right, so Epic are arguing that Apple is charging them £2.00 more for a transaction that goes through the App Store. They seem to think that that is just Apple profiteering.
That £2.00 pays for the development and testing of Xcode, the App Store itself, and iOS. It pays for the Apple staff who write up the editorials about new games and apps. It pays for the advertising and continued investment in new features that developers can make use of.
Apple spent time and money creating an SDK and infrastructure for the App Store. They could've left the iPhone with web apps and Epic wouldn't have made a penny.
If Epic are saying that Apple's costs are immaterial, then perhaps Epic would like to charge just the cost of processing the payment, and forego their £7.00? Right, so we're down to £0.99 to Epic (who now have no way of funding the development of the game because that £0.99 was the cost of processing the payment); and £1.29 to Apple (who get 30p to fund their work).
How about Epic make their game totally free? No one has to pay any money to a payment processor, so neither Epic nor Apple are paid for any of their work.
It's business. Things cost money. Epic are well aware of that, and they seem to have been quite happy to do their business on the App Store for years under the same terms.
Perhaps Apple should just say, "Okay, if no one wants to pay for the improvements they keep expecting, then we aren't going to pay for them anymore." Maybe they should leave the App Store as it is for a year? No new features in Xcode. No improvements to the Developer portal or iTunes Connect, no bug fixes, no one to review any apps so new apps and upgrades aren't approved. Then, when Epic's games don't work on the next version of iOS because those features weren't added to Xcode or the public SDK and Epic can't make use of them, Epic can maybe apologise and understand why they have to pay for the service they're using? (This is the Scorched Earth policy.)
Or, maybe if I want to pay for Epic's game, they should pay me a little money since I'm the one who paid upfront for the device upon which I'll be playing it?
Okay, but both Apple and Epic have to pay a payment processor to actually collect that money.
So let's say the cost of processing a payment is £0.99 (for simplicity's sake). Apple send 70% of that £9.99 to Epic so Epic get £7.00, and Apple pays for the payment processing out of their cut:
Epic's costs are £7.00 - £0.99 = £6.00
Apple's are £9.99 - £7.00 - £0.99 = £2.00
Right, so Epic are arguing that Apple is charging them £2.00 more for a transaction that goes through the App Store. They seem to think that that is just Apple profiteering.
That £2.00 pays for the development and testing of Xcode, the App Store itself, and iOS. It pays for the Apple staff who write up the editorials about new games and apps. It pays for the advertising and continued investment in new features that developers can make use of.
Apple spent time and money creating an SDK and infrastructure for the App Store. They could've left the iPhone with web apps and Epic wouldn't have made a penny.
If Epic are saying that Apple's costs are immaterial, then perhaps Epic would like to charge just the cost of processing the payment, and forego their £7.00? Right, so we're down to £0.99 to Epic (who now have no way of funding the development of the game because that £0.99 was the cost of processing the payment); and £1.29 to Apple (who get 30p to fund their work).
How about Epic make their game totally free? No one has to pay any money to a payment processor, so neither Epic nor Apple are paid for any of their work.
It's business. Things cost money. Epic are well aware of that, and they seem to have been quite happy to do their business on the App Store for years under the same terms.
Perhaps Apple should just say, "Okay, if no one wants to pay for the improvements they keep expecting, then we aren't going to pay for them anymore." Maybe they should leave the App Store as it is for a year? No new features in Xcode. No improvements to the Developer portal or iTunes Connect, no bug fixes, no one to review any apps so new apps and upgrades aren't approved. Then, when Epic's games don't work on the next version of iOS because those features weren't added to Xcode or the public SDK and Epic can't make use of them, Epic can maybe apologise and understand why they have to pay for the service they're using? (This is the Scorched Earth policy.)
Or, maybe if I want to pay for Epic's game, they should pay me a little money since I'm the one who paid upfront for the device upon which I'll be playing it?
You have a choice use the App Store or buy an android, next you'll moaning you cant buy a Samsung that can run iOS
For those cheering on monolithic companies, regardless of the teat from which you suckle, neither entity cares about you as much as you care about them. Have a nice day.
Sure. We’ll go with that.
Oh, wait, you were being serious?
You think that paying 30% is asinine but paying $9.99 for a few bytes of data that “gives your character a new skin” is just fine?
This was clearly planned out by Epic. Whatever one thinks of them I don’t see Apple getting much sympathy/positive coverage outside of pro-Apple analysts like Neil Cybart.