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The game has been going downhill for about a year. Not surprised Epic is doing a greed grab. I used to play all the time with a wide range of friends. Now the only people I know who play are 12 year olds (my nephew and his friends) and they have gotten more aggressive and just add to how unplayable and boring it’s become. Thank god for PS4 and PS5 great single player games.

Not really to do with greed. It's showing how much extra the end consumer has to pay for a transaction within an application. Same with Steam.
 
Apple is in the right.

Let’s say you make this HUGE platform for people to stand on and sell their product/services.

This platform is about 300 stories high, and anyone can take an elevator to stand on it for the world to see them. It’s the best way to sell a product.


YOU built this platform. It has built-in payment services, and a ton of other cool technologies to make your users get the most of this 300 story platform and sell their products well.

Although the users have the freedom to sell their products off your platform, and on their own website...people are complaining about the cut you take when you let users sell on your 300 ft platform.

Yet Sony’s 100 ft platform does the same thing.

apples to oranges just becuase they built a platform dosnt excuse them from preventing u from using your hardware. that U paid for if thats gonna be the case and we are renting hardware that price better be like $150 for an iphone and then we can talk becuse apple would still own the hardware and we would sign a eula for hardware and rental. These are portalble computers people you would not accept this from microsoft when they tried with their surface that was base on arm a few years ago it crashed and burned because it couldn't run anything but arm stuff and there wasn't a market for that software yet.


*I am not an apple hater. Im fully maced out ios developer... I actually believe in the platform. I know apple can get over this greed and help make a better product.
 
My understanding is that app already downloaded will still function. Updates will stop as they are done through the App Store.

Unless Apple turns on the KILL SWITCH to remotely remove the app from every phone (which as been built into every release of iOS since version 2.0)
 
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I'm glad they did this. The only real issue Apple potentially has with their policies is that they selectively apply them to various companies. This removal shows that they don't. A big company like Epic whose apps will pull in a lot of purchases/traffic got removed because they violated the policies just like anyone else would.

If developers don't want to be on the App Store because of Apple's policies, then they should should not go on it, which would in turn motivate Apple to change them. However, it seems that most developers find it worth it to abide by the policies and reach the audience that the App Store has.

To me, this is a non-issue, unlike the Hey controversy where it seemed like they were treating a smaller company differently than a big one (ex. Netflix).

spoken the a true Apple Fanboy! I don’t know, I’d like to have a bit more choice over what I can put in the device I paid over 1k for!

but hey, you let Apple dictate what you need and how you get it. No xcloud! We got perfectly fine Apple Arcade that it’s better for you.

This is a prime example of not understanding what you purchased. If you were educated about what you spent $1k on, you would know that you bought a more secure device than any other on the market because of Apple's restrictive policies. If you thought the restrictive policies made the phone not worth its asking price, then you shouldn't have bought it. If you really want to trade security for more freedom, then you should've bought an Android.
 
Hilarious. Devs have to remember that Apple views the App store, and ALL of the apps on it, as a feature of iOS.


So, all the time I spent staring at the editor, all the time I spent banging my head against the desk, thinking how to solve the programming problems, how to implement this, how to connect this to that, all of that...belongs to Apple???
 
My kids play on their Xbox. And I think one of them has it on the iPad. But I don’t support v-bucks. Spending real money on bucks or coins or whatever in a game to get stuff or get ahead is ridiculous. You should be able to play the game. If that allows you to earn a better racecar or more stuff in fortnite, then great. But these sort of purchases you might as well take a $10 bill and throw it in the trash can.
 
Good on Epic for issuing this challenge. Apple has gotten too big for its britches and it's time to knock them down a few pegs.

And I say this as a longtime Apple fan and investor. I don't want them to become the bad guys. Hell, them suing over that pear logo that looks nothing like the Apple logo; that's another case they deserve to lose with prejudice.

EDIT: To all of those who claim Apple offers a great platform and deserves to be paid for it: They DO. Every developer pays to be able to write iOS apps. All of us customers pay for our devices and for services like iCloud Storage. Apple really should function more as a payment processor and take a more appropriate cut than the massive 30% they do now.
 
I side with Apple on this one.

My biggest complain WRT the App Store is "App Discovery" !

How many UN-Discovered Gem Apps sit idle because Apple has NOT done the best job selecting & promoting apps ?

My best guess, between 1K & 10K such apps !

ALL by small App Devs who simply don't have a Marketing Budget !
 
Obviously they knew this would happen, I wonder why they've done it, perhaps to make a point as to how much Apple takes from each transaction? Like Steam.

I imagine they know nothing will change unless some of the big popular developers start taking action. They're hoping other large publishers follow suit.

If enough do, then Apple will be forced to change their policies. Away from MacRumors, people aren't going to stay loyal to Apple if the apps they want aren't on Apple's platform.
 
My kids play on their Xbox. And I think one of them has it on the iPad. But I don’t support v-bucks. Spending real money on bucks or coins or whatever in a game to get stuff or get ahead is ridiculous. You should be able to play the game. If that allows you to earn a better racecar or more stuff in fortnite, then great. But these sort of purchases you might as well take a $10 bill and throw it in the trash can.

I agree with you, sadly though, the gaming market isn't the same anymore. It's filled with surprise mechanics, passes, paid for cosmetics, etc. That's also ignoring the rapid social changes in gaming 'can't do this, can't do that, change this', etc.
 
Apple may be able to play these bs games for now, but this will only come back to haunt them once the government regulates this ****

We've been needing regulation on stuff like this for a while now. The EU is so far ahead of the US it's insane.

The whole "Apple's store, Apple's rules" would only be reasonable if Apple allowed you to run your own store or go somewhere else. "Just buy Android then" only works until you think about it for more than two seconds. Imagine if that were your car. "Don't want to buy Ford's super expensive tires and full maintenance plan? Just don't buy a Ford! Sell it and get a Chevy!"

Yeah, no. That childish gibberish doesn't work on anyone mature enough to know otherwise.

Given the release of the documents we've read -- it's pretty clear it's just pettiness on Apple's part and has absolutely --ZERO-- to do with making a better device or ecosystem. Anyone who says otherwise is factually incorrect.
 
I completely agree. Epic knows exactly what they're doing. The question is why? What's the end game? Obviously this will generate a lot of attention at a time when numerous governments are investigating Apple. I wonder if we'll see other popular services follow Epic's lead? The reality is, companies like Epic need Apple as much as Apple needs them. Look at the WeChat survey. No WeChat, no sale. Will gamers move to other devices because they can't play Fortnite? What if it's not just Fortnite, but a growing number of popular apps and games?

I have no idea where or how this ends, but I'm pretty sure we're looking at the early stages of the dismantling of Apple's App Store monopoly.
nope i see the end goal. people will burn **** down if they cant play fortnite. litttle script kiddies trying to ddos apple because they cant get their fix.
 
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I don't play any of these games, but where was this option? In the app? If it was how did it get through approval?
 
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