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Wally, you really think that if the SE, 6S & 6S+ were all released at the exact same date...to the exact same population, that the SE would get canned....

Wake up dude, you are in the bushes.... I have climbed from Georgia to Maine and from Mexico to Canada with an Apple device as my sole tool and weapon. I have gained a sense of mental clarity from being with PEOPLE, not GROUP THINK. I guarantee you that the iPhone 6S would of been sqeezed out and the SE & 6S+ would of flourished....

Most on the 5S would of upgraded to the SE

It was never about the size of the screen, it was the width of the screen...

If you can't pick up what I'm puttin' down....
Keep hanging in the bushes.... I'm on top of the mountain

Dude, we're in agreement. Maybe I wasn't clear, but I absolutely think the SE would have been a tremendously popular phone if it weren't sandwiched between the 6s and 7. Don't let that thin air get to you.
 
I paid about 1600 usd for the Xs Max and I still don't think the phone is worth it in general, it was a lazy update from Apple.

You knew what the features were. You knew what the price was. You decided to buy it anyway. Complaining after the fact is rather weak. If you didn’t think it was worth it why did you buy it? It’s simple, if it’s not worth the price for what is offered, don’t buy it.
 
Well with yearly upgrade programs it gives people more reason to upgrade.
Sure, for those that want to continue to pay on installment. Some do enjoy having an extra $40+ in their pocket without continuing to pay and you'll continue to pay to lease the phone on the program. For those that always want the latest and greatest, the program makes sense.
 
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I also think that mid-range Android phones are starting to become viable iPhone alternatives and really cutting into iPhone sales. For example, the Nokia 7.1, which arrived in the US market at the start of November 2018, has many excellent features and best of all, the "unlocked" price is only US$349. And even with a 256 GB MicroSD card expansion, it's still less than US$450.
 
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The reason why it failed was because Apple never gave the iPhone SE a chance to fight against the 6S on even footing.

The iPhone SE was released in March, after the iPhone 6S debuted the previous fall. I, like many others, upgraded to the 6S because we believed that Apple was not going to make another small iPhone with updated specs. Always upgraded every two years on the spot for carrier reductions. So I bought the 6S because I wanted the 2GB of ram capacity and the A9 was light years ahead of the A7. Plus I wanted to get the next upgrade window clock ticking again.

When March came I was so angry at Apple. I think I wasn't the only one, and that is where the snowball began my friends........

Plus, why on earth would I carry a 8 ounce brick 5,000 miles with me instead of a 4 ounce brick that does 97% of what the brick that weighs double can do. It is stupid and insulting to the public and everyone I talk to shares the same sentiments. We have our pitchforks and we have spoken.

Don't even get me started on the audio drop from the 6S/SE to every iPhone since then. If you want to listen to the highest bit rate of audio quality, you have to go back to the A9 chip. It is insulting to stick a bayonet at our backs and force us to walk over a cliff into audio mediocrity....

If the 2015 Bugatti Veron had 999hp, and the 2016 Bugatti Veyron had 255hp....which would you choose..... sheep....

You seem very salty about Apple. No one is forcing you to buy from Apple.

maybe you should try Samsung. I’m so sick of hearing the cries for smaller phones. They don’t sell well. There’s a reason why manufacturers aren’t making them.

As for the headphone jack, well pretty much everyone except Samsung has ditched it. I know Bluetooth isn’t near the quality of wired, it’s ALMOST there. But the future is wireless whether you like it or not. The point of bigger phones is people want bigger screens, bigger batteries, more performance under the hood.
 
You know, we should have a law that makes contents we purchased from one platform readily available to other platform when we switch the device. Although my discontent with Apple keeps increasing, I'm pretty much forced to stick with my iPhone since almost all of my music and movie, tv showes are bound to itunes store.
 
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You seem very salty about Apple. No one is forcing you to buy from Apple.

maybe you should try Samsung. I’m so sick of hearing the cries for smaller phones. They don’t sell well. There’s a reason why manufacturers aren’t making them.

As for the headphone jack, well pretty much everyone except Samsung has ditched it. I know Bluetooth isn’t near the quality of wired, it’s ALMOST there. But the future is wireless whether you like it or not. The point of bigger phones is people want bigger screens, bigger batteries, more performance under the hood.
You knew what the features were. You knew what the price was. You decided to buy it anyway. Complaining after the fact is rather weak. If you didn’t think it was worth it why did you buy it? It’s simple, if it’s not worth the price for what is offered, don’t buy it.
While anecdotal, this is exactly what Apple’s “Pay more, do less” strategy does with customer satisfaction. And your reaction is the typical type-A bozo reaction of the mere Ballmer-type that will only make it worse
 
While anecdotal, this is exactly what Apple’s “Pay more, do less” strategy does with customer satisfaction. And your reaction is the typical type-A bozo reaction of the mere Ballmer-type that will only make it worse
You’d better be careful. Apple is (was/almost) a trillion dollar companies whose products are being bought, en masse, by the mere ballmer types you succinctly disdain.
 
XS and XR were meant more for owners of the 6-7 models. That’s a huge upgrade for them. Better chip, better battery life, better display, better camera, full screen design.

I'd agree if it reasonably matched what those price points. My 128gb 7 was $749. To get that much storage on the XS I'd have to get the 256gb model which goes for $1149. And as others have suggested, the XR isn't an attractive option because many people (myself included) just don't want a phone that bulky.

I actually find the XS too large for my liking too although most are fine with it. It is about 19% larger and about 28% heavier than the 7 which itself was to me noticeably heavier than the 6 (I still have a 6 for work and a 7 for personal use.). If it was the other way around Apple would be shouting that from the rooftops!
 
You can still purchase new 6S phones - Sprint, for example, is selling them for $450, and the 6S+ for $550. Other carriers probably are similar.
I considered it. Even a 7 and 8. They're all decent phones. I figured I just had a phone from yesteryear and I didn't want another. The design was stale and I wanted a new phone that felt like a new phone. Apple's value proposition in this regard just didn't fly for me this time.
 
The article implies that this cut order is for phones being produced after Feb which means that it’s well within the typical cycle of way slower phone sales. It’s been hot and heavy for launch through the December holidays and Jan when folks cash in gift cards from said December Holidays and then a major drop the rest of the year until the next launch for years.
 
You’d better be careful. Apple is (was/almost) a trillion dollar companies whose products are being bought, en masse, by the mere ballmer types you succinctly disdain.
I did refer to Ballmer in his role as an A-type bozo manager pur sang.
That particular behavior came to Apple when Phil ridiculised customer demand at the MacPro launch (can’t innovate my ***). It should have been eradicated from the company (and there is only one who can AFAIK) because customer contempt is intolerable.
 
Assuming they have Skype installed and set up.

At least with Apple, if I see them using an Apple device, I know that iMessage, FaceTime and airdrop work. At most, I just need to see that Bluetooth and WiFi are enabled, which is a lot easier than getting them to download another app and set up a new account all over again.

Then for the rest not using Apple hardware, I will cross the bridge when I get there.
They have to have Skype installed. Its the only way to communicate between 2 Androids.
 
I don’t know why people are so surprised iPhones or even smartphones in general are not selling in the same numbers they used to.

As the products get better and more established with minimal updates year on year, the need to upgrade often is vastly reduced. Consumers are simply keeping phones longer and the likes of Apple pushing prices over the £1k is only encouraging people to do this and buy older devices.

Nothing is flopping, it’s just demand has matured in what is a heavily saturated market.
 
Micro oled isnvaporware only because you are not privy to the status. You can have your oled.
Yes its vaporware. Even if it becomes feasible its not going to scale up to Apple's massive requriements


Cook says otherwise.
Then why hide the iPhone sales if the services are what Apple is about these days


I don’t use Skype, facetime works with all iPhones.
Facetime works with all iPhones. Skype works with all phones including on Windows and Android. See the difference?
 
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Yes its vaporware. Even if it becomes feasible its not going to scale up to Apple's massive requriements
Nobody outside of those in the know, know this.

Then why hide the iPhone sales if the services are what Apple is about these days
Because Apple is less dependent on iPhone sales to the bottom line?


Facetime works with all iPhones. Skype works with all phones including on Windows and Android. See the difference?
I only video chat with FaceTime users. No back door for me.
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I did refer to Ballmer in his role as an A-type bozo manager pur sang.
That particular behavior came to Apple when Phil ridiculised customer demand at the MacPro launch (can’t innovate my ***). It should have been eradicated from the company (and there is only one who can AFAIK) because customer contempt is intolerable.
Which customer contempt is intolerable and I ask as a serious question.
 
Which customer contempt is intolerable and I ask as a serious question.
The “Can’t innovate my ***” statement at that specific MacPro keynote could have been a joke or a slip. But it has become contemptuous and ridiculous, in the light of the stagnated MacPro development, its derailed price/performance ratio and, in particular, all the compromises since.
The man killed both his own credibility and his employers’ reputation
 
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Odd - vastly over-priced and fragile hardware not proving to be super popular .... who knew ?
Bingo. This, imho, proves that Apple has reached an unsustainable pricing stucture for their phones. The XR ought to be priced from $650-750, and the XS models from $750-1000 at the most. There is simply no justifyable reason why Apple should be charging $1450 for a phone. Especially when it doesn’t deliver an experience that is quite honestly any different than the iPhone 6S Plus. The 6S marked an era of processing speed plus a RAM bump that when combined with iOS allows the phone to run extremely smoothly, negating the need to move up. Plus, other than Face ID, what new experience do the X, XR, and XS models offer?
 
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It's a good point, I loved my 6S and did the battery thing as well. It still worked great. I planned to keep it for at least another year.

Unfortunately this weekend I accidentally ran over it with my snowblower (pics available upon request! LOL) and it isn't an iPhone that will be replacing it for the first time since the 3G. I did the only thing I can do to protest XS & XR carrier deals & off contract prices: not buy any of them.

I loved my 6s Plus, I think it was one of my favourite iPhones, it was £129 cheaper than the iPhone XR when it was released and it was their latest and greatest flagship smartphone, not their budget smartphone. I miss the days of affordable iPhones
 
Bingo. This, imho, proves that Apple has reached an unsustainable pricing stucture for their phones. The XR ought to be priced from $650-750, and the XS models from $750-1000 at the most. There is simply no justifyable reason why Apple should be charging $1450 for a phone. Especially when it doesn’t deliver an experience that is quite honestly any different than the iPhone 6S Plus. The 6S marked an era of processing speed plus a RAM bump that when combined with iOS allows the phone to run extremely smoothly, negating the need to move up. Plus, other than Face ID, what new experience do the X, XR, and XS models offer?
There’s the camera improvements that did convince many (I am not amongst them)
Which was partly embarrassed by the portrait post-processing of the XR - that also could have been reapplied to the X if that weren’t to degrade the XS(Max)
This is the cost of incremental innovation: early / artificial orphaning of the iphone X.
 
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You knew what the features were. You knew what the price was. You decided to buy it anyway. Complaining after the fact is rather weak. If you didn’t think it was worth it why did you buy it? It’s simple, if it’s not worth the price for what is offered, don’t buy it.

This happens a lot with durable goods. Go to forums for cars (especially the luxury brands) and you will find numerous folks complaining about buyers remorse. The problem is that when buying luxury items there is emotion involved that is manipulated by marketing messages on one end and then there's excessive spec analysis on the other end. In the process, many folks forget to ask themselves if they actually like what they are looking at in the store. In some cases if they feel the need for an upgrade they buy the devices with the least flaws (from their standpoint), which is basically "settling" hoping that they will grow to like it (because of what the marketing messages have done to the subconscious), and is what leads to buyers remorse.

Fortunately, it's easy to return a phone, so if one makes a mistake (I did, e.g., with the 6S), it is easy to reverse.

With the current crop of phones, when I look at specs, colors, marketing materials, reviews, etc. the XR looks like a winner. But every time I look at it in the store, I just doesn't feel right for me. I could go ahead and get one, but I know it will lead to buyers remorse.

The last time I was truly excited about a phone was when I got my 5S (following the 4). The SE was just the same with a spec bump. I'm holding out for an SE 2 and will only buy a new phone if I see a new one that I like or my current phone breaks and Apple is no longer offering service/replacement for it.
 
The “Can’t innovate my ***” statement at that specific MacPro keynote could have been a joke or a slip. But it has become contemptuous and ridiculous, in the light of the stagnated MacPro development, its derailed price/performance ratio and, in particular, all the compromises since.
The man killed both his own credibility and his employers’ reputation
I don’t think so. But there are as many opinions of everything Apple as people on the earth. Customer or not.
 
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