Apple Reportedly Cuts iPhone XS and iPhone XR Production Orders Amid Lower-Than-Expected Demand

[The-Real-Deal82]

No. Only you were saying that.Many have been clamouring for OLED since 2014. As far as the other contractors go, how did that work out for Google with the Pixel 2? There are ZERO alternatives to OLED displays made by Samsung. Apple has relegated LCD to their budget low end phone. The flagships have OLED displays meaning Apple admits they are superior.

Apple may think that but having compared their XS Max to the XR and my 8+, I’d say the difference in quality is so minimal that I really couldn’t tell them apart. After hearing all the bragging about OLED I can honestly say choosing a cheaper LCD iPhone is a rather easy choice for me. It makes all this back and forth arguing over screen quality to be pointless and comical to be honest lol.

 

[SactoGuy18]

Look, in the end it comes down to this: Apple priced the iPhone XR too high. Maybe they should cut the retail price (at least in the USA) to $675 for the 64 GB model, $725 for the 128 GB model and $825 for the 256 GB model and stop selling the iPhone 7 and 8 models altogether.

 

[erniefairchild1]

maybe we are having a hard time understanding your point in a long winded rant that doesn't circle back to the conversation the rest of us are having... then resorting to personal attacks and ad hominems when you fail to properly explain yourself.


so lets back up and see if we're on the same page since we may very well be saying the same thing.


Ignoring the OS and whats on the display because we're talking about iphone to iPhone. the OLED display (as evidenced on the X, Xs and Xs+) are of far superior quality to the LCD that has existed on the iPhone 6-8 and the Xr. This is a fact and has been empirically proven by numerous different metrics. This isn't up for the discussion. All theings being equal, OLED> LCD.

Given that the display on an Xr and an Xs are showing the same thing with the same coulour patterns, your point about the icons on android is irrelevant and not part of this dscussion.

so when we're comparing Apples to Apples. That is iPhone to iPhone, while the Xr LCD is probably one of the best LCDs in the business, it is still sub par compared to the OLED on the Xs.

the OLED that is on the Xs is made by Samsung. This same display is essentially available on devices that cost less than $800. This leads us to ask then, is the inclusion of the lower resolution LCD display instead of an AMOLED good value for the $750 price that the Xr is asking?

nobody here is saying that the Xr display is crap. We're asking if Apple missed priced the Xr due to the value of the parts involved being notably less in cost than parts that could have easily been included.

Apple could have very VERY likely included an AMOLED based display in the Xr, and still kept the price point at $750. They would have had to lower their margins. Bu Apple Decided that the margins were more important than ensuring that the top end quality was there.

so again, we may be on the same page, but you deflected with android's imagery as some reason why LCD > AMOLED. that's where your rant was nonsensicle.

Dismissing something as nonsensical is as ad hominem as calling someone insane. You saint!

I never said LCD was better than AMOLED. You can’t say I’ve deflected when you were the one responding to my original point. You have continuously missed the point. People of your ilk are obnoxious, hence my irritation with your words.

Still you’re hung up on some pointless idea of LCD vs OLED.

You really don’t get it.
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maybe we are having a hard time understanding your point in a long winded rant that doesn't circle back to the conversation the rest of us are having... then resorting to personal attacks and ad hominems when you fail to properly explain yourself.


so lets back up and see if we're on the same page since we may very well be saying the same thing.


Ignoring the OS and whats on the display because we're talking about iphone to iPhone. the OLED display (as evidenced on the X, Xs and Xs+) are of far superior quality to the LCD that has existed on the iPhone 6-8 and the Xr. This is a fact and has been empirically proven by numerous different metrics. This isn't up for the discussion. All theings being equal, OLED> LCD.

Given that the display on an Xr and an Xs are showing the same thing with the same coulour patterns, your point about the icons on android is irrelevant and not part of this dscussion.

so when we're comparing Apples to Apples. That is iPhone to iPhone, while the Xr LCD is probably one of the best LCDs in the business, it is still sub par compared to the OLED on the Xs.

the OLED that is on the Xs is made by Samsung. This same display is essentially available on devices that cost less than $800. This leads us to ask then, is the inclusion of the lower resolution LCD display instead of an AMOLED good value for the $750 price that the Xr is asking?

nobody here is saying that the Xr display is crap. We're asking if Apple missed priced the Xr due to the value of the parts involved being notably less in cost than parts that could have easily been included.

Apple could have very VERY likely included an AMOLED based display in the Xr, and still kept the price point at $750. They would have had to lower their margins. Bu Apple Decided that the margins were more important than ensuring that the top end quality was there.

so again, we may be on the same page, but you deflected with android's imagery as some reason why LCD > AMOLED. that's where your rant was nonsensicle.

I’m not sure if my previous response posted, I have horrendous service here in the mountains.

The fact that you’re claiming I have said that LCD > AMOLED proves you literally have no idea what I’m talking about.

I’m not deflecting. You have been responding to MY point. I can’t deflect from my own point. But you have failed to understand what I’m talking about.

I believe you’re either continuing this because you don’t want to undermine all your efforts in previous comments, or you enjoy the MacRumors arguing. Which I have to admit has been fun.

All the best! Happy Thanksgiving! I never claimed LCD > AMOLED. I said the screen technology was not definitive in the aesthetic quality. Hurrah!

 

[I7guy]

No. Only you were saying that.Many have been clamouring for OLED since 2014. As far as the other contractors go, how did that work out for Google with the Pixel 2? There are ZERO alternatives to OLED displays made by Samsung. Apple has relegated LCD to their budget low end phone. The flagships have OLED displays meaning Apple admits they are superior.

You’re all over the place here. Oled is superior if PWM doesn’t give you eye strain or a headache. The difference is not all that. 2) Apple is funding and has alternate suppliers. You just don’t know who they are 3) Micro-led is coming, faster than you imagine.

The unit sales became irrelevant only because they are going in one direction and that's down. No company wants their users to keep phones for longer. Apple's 60% revenue comes from iPhones which means they want people to buy em as fast as possible. iOS 12 only happened because they were caught with their pants down with Throttlegate which was, you guessed it, a way to get people to upgrade faster

Unit sales are irrelevant and nobody else is reporting them. Apple wants you to keep your phone longer if you want to, ios 12 is the proof of the pudding. You can bemoan this all you want, apple will take a short term hit and then recover.

He is only hyping the services business because since its being developed from zero it has room to grow. By the time it flatlines, he retires.

Of course he is going to grow it. Finish the job started by Jobs. Everything flatlines and Samsung might even be out of the business then.

Why use a plainly inferior solution like SMS when we have a solution which works everywhere all the time?

What solution is that? And exactly how am I supposed to stop the fighting between people as they want to all load different apps? answer get an iphone and facetime.

It did. That's why we no longer have unit sales of the product line contributing to 60-70% of Apple

Circular argument.

And in the US you can't connect with 50% of the userbase

I only need to connect with about 100 people.

The Note 9 is currently selling at $700. Almost half of what you posted. At least Samsung has the courage to not hide their unit sales even though they are in a downward spiral. Yes, Samsung customers love their phones. Hence why they are the most profitable company on Android.

Note. 9 selling price has tanked because Samsung can’t give these phones away. I’m not sure Samsung customers love their phones and can find some evidence to back that up, similar to saying apple customers love their phones. They are the most profitable phone manufacturer on android, but apple still takes 83 percent of the profits.

 

[tfitzs]

When will Apple’s Board of Directors realize that Tim Cook’s greed is a threat to this company in a long-term?

I agree, It had to happen!

 

[I7guy]

When will Apple’s Board of Directors realize that Tim Cook’s greed is a threat to this company in a long-term?

When Apple stock tanks and the last customer turns off the lights, until then he isn’t going anywhere.

 

[Radon87000]

You’re all over the place here. Oled is superior if PWM doesn’t give you eye strain or a headache. The difference is not all that. 2) Apple is funding and has alternate suppliers. You just don’t know who they are 3) Micro-led is coming, faster than you imagine.

The very fact that Apple has put oled on a device expected to sell the most shows that people who suffer from headaches are very much in the minority. The lcd display on their budget phone is only till Samsung gets its yields up at which point, Apple will put a slightly inferior oled panel on the XR and kill LCD once and for all.

2) Apple can throw as much money at the suppliers as it wants. There is a huge difference between a 10 year old veteran manufacturer and a newbie. Remember all these contractors have to maintain the same quality standards as Samsung. The fact of the matter is Samsung bins many oled displays as much as the entire output of what LG puts out in total. That’s the yield rate of oled. This is what you are dealing with.

3) I will believe it when I see it. IMO it will be 2026-27 at the very least befor MicroLED is even a consideration.

Unit sales are irrelevant and nobody else is reporting them. Apple wants you to keep your phone longer if you want to, ios 12 is the proof of the pudding. You can bemoan this all you want, apple will take a short term hit and then recover.

Apple’s rival reports unit sales. I will simply copy my old reply. Ios 12 happened because Apple was caught forcing users to upgrade faster. It’s business as usual with iOS 13. They are after profits. Profits will only happen if the customer upgrades faster.

Of course he is going to grow it. Finish the job started by Jobs. Everything flatlines and Samsung might even be out of the business then.

Steve Jobs would be having a facepalm moment if he was still alive after reading that Apple is no longer disclosing unit sales considering what he said about Amazon not disclosing unit sales of the Kindle.

Without Samsung how will computers be made. How will hardware function?

What solution is that? And exactly how am I supposed to stop the fighting between people as they want to all load different apps? answer get an iphone and

What different apps? There’s only 2. WhatsApp and Skype.

I only need to connect with about 100 people.

And if for some reason you want to connect to someone other than those 100 you are SOL

Note. 9 selling price has tanked because Samsung can’t give these phones away. I’m not sure Samsung customers love their phones and can find some evidence to back that up, similar to saying apple customers love their phones. They are the most profitable phone manufacturer on android, but apple still takes 83 percent of the profits.

Samsung is selling the phones at their proper prices unlike Apple. At least Samsung shows the guts to not hide their sales. As an owner of a Note 9 and an iPhone X, I can’t find a single reason why the iPhone X is $300 more expensive with a smaller screen. And that’s the base variant with only t4gb storage. Compare it with a 256gb for an apples to apples comparison and you could buy 2 Note 9s for the price of 1 iPhone XS. Can you give me one reason for this?
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Apple may think that but having compared their XS Max to the XR and my 8+, I’d say the difference in quality is so minimal that I really couldn’t tell them apart. After hearing all the bragging about OLED I can honestly say choosing a cheaper LCD iPhone is a rather easy choice for me. It makes all this back and forth arguing over screen quality to be pointless and comical to be honest lol.

If you are only viewing the home screen there is very little difference. The huge difference is visible when you are reading text or watching a video. The infinite blacks make the screen pop and puts LCD to shame. Put a dark wallpaper on an lcd iPhone and then put a dark wallpaper on an oled iPhone. The difference is stark.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

The very fact that Apple has put oled on a device expected to sell the most shows that people who suffer from headaches are very much in the minority.

Hmmm they put it on their XS series which correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t that range start at £1k? How was that ever going to outsell the XR or older variants when its market is limited by its price point to begin with? It’s it’s high cost that has changed the way consumers choose to upgrade combined with iPhones not changing enough year on year. The market has reached plateau and niche iPhone models with OLED have a certain select market but are not going to appeal to the mainstream until Apple sort their supply chain out.

 

[Radon87000]

Hmmm they put it on their XS series which correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t that range start at £1k? How was that ever going to outsell the XR or older variants when its market is limited by its price point to begin with? It’s it’s high cost that has changed the way consumers choose to upgrade combined with iPhones not changing enough year on year. The market has reached plateau and niche iPhone models with OLED have a certain select market but are not going to appeal to the mainstream until Apple sort their supply chain out.

They don’t intend the XR to sell well. It’s there to upsell the more expensive XS and XS Max and make it look better. The XS has a better camera, a proper 3DT motor, a higher resolution display, more RAM, a glass body and smaller bezels. THe XR is so bad it lacks features and the display quality which even it’s predecessor the 8 Plus had. A less sharp display and its contrast is worse. It’s the iPhone 5c all over again. The XS will sell more because Apple crippled the XR. I would honestly get last years iPhone X at a cheaper price than the XR.

This is why this news exists. Production has been cut for the XR because of lack of demand.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

They don’t intend the XR to sell well. It’s there to upsell the more expensive XS and XS Max and make it look better. The XS has a better camera, a proper 3DT motor, a higher resolution display, more RAM, a glass body and smaller bezels. THe XR is so bad it lacks features and the display quality which even it’s predecessor the 8 Plus had. A less sharp display and its contrast is worse. It’s the iPhone 5c all over again. The XS will sell more because Apple crippled the XR. I would honestly get last years iPhone X at a cheaper price than the XR.

This is why this news exists. Production has been cut for the XR because of lack of demand.

I don’t know many people who would spend a grand plus on a mobile phone so if what you are saying is correct then it’s the most moronic and out of touch marketing strategy I have heard of from a mainstream brand.

You’re listing a load of specs that only tech enthusiasts are going to research when buying a phone. Aesthetics and price are what appeals to the mainstream consumer. The reports are suggesting all current models are experiencing a lower than expected demand, not just the iPhone XR. It’s not specs that are putting people off, it’s price and the fact an iPhone from 2 years ago is still more than capable.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I have to say again, I have an iPhone 8+ and I couldn’t see any clear difference in quality between that and an XR. I couldn’t see a clear difference to the XS Max either which is why I think this willy waving over screen quality is rather absurd. Apple must love the saps who are willing to pay hundreds more just for a slight difference not obvious to everybody. There we go.

 

[I7guy]

The very fact that Apple has put oled on a device expected to sell the most shows that people who suffer from headaches are very much in the minority. The lcd display on their budget phone is only till Samsung gets its yields up at which point, Apple will put a slightly inferior oled panel on the XR and kill LCD once and for all.

2) Apple can throw as much money at the suppliers as it wants. There is a huge difference between a 10 year old veteran manufacturer and a newbie. Remember all these contractors have to maintain the same quality standards as Samsung. The fact of the matter is Samsung bins many oled displays as much as the entire output of what LG puts out in total. That’s the yield rate of oled. This is what you are dealing with.

3) I will believe it when I see it. IMO it will be 2026-27 at the very least befor MicroLED is even a consideration.

Apple will be keeping lcd around. Better to have a perfect lcd than an inferior oled. The dependency on Samsung already has been lessened. Money goes a long way towards getting things done and you or I don't know when micro-led might make it's appearance. But I'm saying don't count it out so fast. And LG oled on tvs are better than Samsung oleds, so LG knows what it's doing, plus any other suppliers you and I don't know about.

Apple’s rival reports unit sales. I will simply copy my old reply. Ios 12 happened because Apple was caught forcing users to upgrade faster. It’s business as usual with iOS 13. They are after profits. Profits will only happen if the customer upgrades faster.

Which rivals? All rivals and all fortune companies? I'll copy my old reply: ios 12 was in the works, but it's timeline was pushed up. I'm happy that apple is profits, but it's customers first and profits second.

Steve Jobs would be having a facepalm moment if he was still alive after reading that Apple is no longer disclosing unit sales considering what he said about Amazon not disclosing unit sales of the Kindle.

I love the: "I know what Steve Job would have done and how he would have reacted comments", had he been alive. As if one could reach across the grave.

Without Samsung how will computers be made. How will hardware function?

IBM does fine without Samsung, HP and Dell do fine without Samsung.

What different apps? There’s only 2. WhatsApp and Skype.

And if for some reason you want to connect to someone other than those 100 you are SOL

One is owned by facebook and one has an admitted backdoor. No thanks and getting iphone users to agree on which one is difficult, at least here. And as I said SMS.

Samsung is selling the phones at their proper prices unlike Apple. At least Samsung shows the guts to not hide their sales. As an owner of a Note 9 and an iPhone X, I can’t find a single reason why the iPhone X is $300 more expensive with a smaller screen. And that’s the base variant with only t4gb storage. Compare it with a 256gb for an apples to apples comparison and you could buy 2 Note 9s for the price of 1 iPhone XS. Can you give me one reason for this?

Apple will support their phone for 5 years and the price is the price. Can you give me one reason a Ferrari costs $250,000 and can't even be driven in the snow like my lowely Subaru?

If you are only viewing the home screen there is very little difference. The huge difference is visible when you are reading text or watching a video. The infinite blacks make the screen pop and puts LCD to shame. Put a dark wallpaper on an lcd iPhone and then put a dark wallpaper on an oled iPhone. The difference is stark.

There is a slight difference. IMO, the above is an exaggeration, which is why apple lcds were rated better than competitors oleds
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Apple’s rival reports unit sales

Exactly where does this happen for Samsung and who else reports it?

https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-electronics-announces-second-quarter-2018-results

https://images.samsung.com/is/conte...7_1Q_Earnings_Release_Samsung_Electronics.pdf

 

[erniefairchild1]

Yeah no, because I don't agree with your assessment that its pay more/do less. I am quite satisfied with my iPhone Xs. Is it perfect? No, but then no iPhone i've ever owned has been. But thats just my feeling, I liked it, so I bought it. There is nothing wrong with constructive, logic based criticism. Whats tiring is all the people here on the forums who declare as absolute that their opinion of the way things should be is the Right Way (TM). To claim that Apple is destroying customer satisfaction because a bunch of people on an internet forum are unhappy with the way things are going at Apple is absurd. People have been ******** on Apples decisions on these forums since the beginning, when Steve Jobs was still running the company and years before the iPhone came out. And its always the same:

"because I needed X it was stupid for Apple to remove it!" For examples of X see floppy disc, optical disc, non-USB ports, headphone jack, 13pin ipod adapter, etc.
"I can buy a PC/Android phone for less!" No one is stopping you from doing that
"I don't need feature X so its stupid for Apple to spend time on it!" For example, Emoji, FaceTime, etc

Its the constant self-centered attitude that gets tiring. Apple is massively successful. Their products sell by the truckload. Their customer satisfaction ratings are near the top in every category. Yes their products are on the expensive end of the spectrum, THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. This is not new! If you think its too expensive, don't buy it! You have options, no one is holding a gun to your head (note: if someone is forcing you at gunpoint to buy Apple products you have bigger problems). Basically stop assuming that everyone is like you! They aren't! Your needs are not my needs, your priorities are not my priorities. Its 100% ok for you not to be happy with an Apple product (or any product) but stop assuming that because YOU aren't happy that EVERYONE isn't happy. If you want to stop supporting Apple, go for it, its your money, use it how you want. But I will never understand the mentality of people who hate Apple and their products so much but feel the need to come to a forum for people who like and use Apple products and complain. We get it, you don't like it, go hang out on the AndroidRumors (or whatever) forums and talk about how great your Galaxy or Pixel or whatever phone is. Go be happy. Stop being such grumps about it here.

Thank you! Very well said.

I have been reading MacRumors for years and I commented on stuff for the first time yesterday because I’m so sick of the mean spirited, over the top, ridiculous venom people spew here.

“The XR is garbage and a ripoff!”

I bought this phone and I have to say, I think it’s beautiful and performs better than my 7 Plus which was great. Display is a huge improvement (despite having lower ppi).

People are so odd.

 

[I7guy]

I can’t assess all of corporate America as accurately and in-depth as you can

But you can assess one company, based in the US, better than the analysts can.

, but in my country I happily do business with a multitude of (mostly smaller) corporations that listen better and more carefully than mass provisioners like Apple. Which has become like all FADANG corporations that always seem prioritize their next slew of new customers over existing customers like myself.
Consequently, my supplier relation with Apple more and more resembles that with groceries, bread and butter- and other commodity suppliers - which is their choice and a missed chance in terms of post-sales customer relations & appreciation (where MacBook meets MacBurger, ultimately)
But I assume that you will only applaud that, as you seem to have adopted every norm in the Cookette business world, including it’s common “300 million can’t be wrong etc.” rethoric that fairly accurately underlines the cause of disorder: They can’t be wrong, but apparently can be ripped off...
This is how your oneliner “let people vote with their dollars”, the lowest business acumen possible after the last human affection has been lost, as you don’t seem to realize, gets interpreted in an egopreneurship. Thanks for your inspiration.

Your last remark, not unlike the others, is erratic.
A few years ago, I had to sue Apple for not complying to EU warrantee terms for consumer capital goods when I had my MacBook repaired. They conceded only because there was no viable alternative. So my norms (and EU regulations) were instrumental in getting them on that lawful track, your assumptions despite.

So based on an anecdotal situation of one transaction, you paint a broad stroke of the entirety of apple? I guess it's within you're right to do so, but you may want to take into account, the transactions where apple went out of it's way to help it's customers, as well.

 

[ipponrg]

Can you give me one reason a Ferrari costs $250,000 and can't even be driven in the snow like my lowely Subaru?

Just to preface I did not understand your point of mentioning this statement, but I thought this was funny. You can drive the Ferrari in the snow just not well. I saw some videos showing this off with snow tires. Part of the reason it’s so expensive is it’s an exotic. All exotics cost much more than the average population can willingly afford.

 

[MultiMan]

To somehow compare or equal Apple to Ferrari is downright laughable. Most, if not all Apple stuff are put together in China at mass fabrication plants, with standard components. Ferrari, just to take one example, sandcasts each engine by hand, mold handmade, then mold is destroyed after the casting process, thus every engine is unique. Pretty much like they do church bells, but the complexity and knowledge to be able to do a high performing, high revving 12 cylinder engine that way is awe inspriring. Each engine gets a specific engineer assigned to it, with total responsiblity all the way to the customer.

There is a reason behind Ferrari costing as much as they do, they are truly crafted by hand. With Apple, there is no such correlation at all.

 

[Radon87000]

To somehow compare or equal Apple to Ferrari is downright laughable. Most, if not all Apple stuff are put together in China at mass fabrication plants, with standard components. Ferrari, just to take one example, sandcasts each engine by hand, mold handmade, then mold is destroyed after the casting process, thus every engine is unique. Pretty much like they do church bells, but the complexity and knowledge to be able to do a high performing, high revving 12 cylinder engine that way is awe inspriring. Each engine gets a specific engineer assigned to it, with total responsiblity all the way to the customer.

There is a reason behind Ferrari costing as much as they do, they are truly crafted by hand. With Apple, there is no such correlation at all.

I return my new iPhones all the time because of yellow screens, dust under the screen, dead pixels etc. Somehow I doubt if I could afford a Ferrari it would come with a defect right off the bat. Not to mention iPhones are sold in many poor countries unlike the Ferrari.

I see no difference in quality between a Note 9 and an iPhone X. The difference in quality between a Ferrari and an Subaru is obvious at first glance. The analogy is a complete fail.

 

[The Game 161]

When Apple stock tanks and the last customer turns off the lights, until then he isn’t going anywhere.

Exactly, not sure why people find this so hard to understand. Generally apple are doing great. Just because production drops doesn’t mean much in the bigger picture.

 

[I7guy]

I return my new iPhones all the time because of yellow screens, dust under the screen, dead pixels etc. Somehow I doubt if I could afford a Ferrari it would come with a defect right off the bat. Not to mention iPhones are sold in many poor countries unlike the Ferrari.

I see no difference in quality between a Note 9 and an iPhone X. The difference in quality between a Ferrari and an Subaru is obvious at first glance. The analogy is a complete fail.

• You win the statistical lottery with your screens. My phones do not have any screen issues. Actually my iphones have not had any issues except when they were self-inflicted.
• Because you doubt a car, eg Ferrari, won't come with sample defects, doesn't mean it won't.
• There are wealthy people in every country.

So much hyperbole that you lost track of the posted and the replies:

I can’t find a single reason why the iPhone X is $300 more expensive with a smaller screen.

In response to the above: Can you give me one reason a Ferrari costs $250,000 and can't even be driven in the snow like my lowely Subaru? Ferrari can charge any price they want, and people will pay it. Apple can charge what it believes their products are worth and people pay it.

BTW. Does Samsung report unit sales?

 

[Rob_2811]

When Apple stock tanks and the last customer turns off the lights, until then he isn’t going anywhere.

He isn't going anywhere in terms of being relieved of his duties, sure. I could absolutely see Cook not being Apple CEO in three years time.

Cook is a smart guy whatever you think of his methods and maybe he will want to go out at the top, he's 58 years old and where Apples future growth is coming from is a question mark.

 

[I7guy]

He isn't going anywhere in terms of being relieved of his duties, sure. I could absolutely see Cook not being Apple CEO in three years time.

Cook is a smart guy whatever you think of his methods and maybe he will want to go out at the top, he's 58 years old and where Apples future growth is coming from is a question mark.

Cook is going anywhere he doesn't want to go, I agree. He may elect to step down, move aside or call it what you want.

Apple is a smart company. All of the second guessing that goes on here and other forums, I'm guessing apple has the answer to. I'm sure the have 5, 10 and 15 year plans.

 

[Rob_2811]

Cook is going anywhere he doesn't want to go, I agree. He may elect to step down, move aside or call it what you want.

Apple is a smart company. All of the second guessing that goes on here and other forums, I'm guessing apple has the answer to. I'm sure the have 5, 10 and 15 year plans.

I'm sure they do. Maybe it goes to Jeff Williams in the same way SJ handed the baton to the COO in Tim Cook. I think they would promote from within certainly.

 

[Radon87000]

• You win the statistical lottery with your screens. My phones do not have any screen issues. Actually my iphones have not had any issues except when they were self-inflicted.

Is the iPhone handmade like the Ferrari? I havent heard of Ferraris engine automatically throttling after a few years. I see iPhones regularly everyday. Don't see a Ferrari though

List of iPhone scandals-
Antennagate
Throttlegate
Bendgate
Error 53
Touch Disease

List of Ferrari scandals-
?

Because you doubt a car, eg Ferrari, won't come with sample defects, doesn't mean it won't.

Does a Ferrari require 6 exchanges before you end up with a unicorn? We have people on this very forum exchanging iPhones 16 times due to defects.

There are wealthy people in every country.

Apple is selling iPhones in countries, Ferrari do not have a store in

In response to the above: Can you give me one reason a Ferrari costs $250,000 and can't even be driven in the snow like my lowely Subaru? Ferrari can charge any price they want, and people will pay it. Apple can charge what it believes their products are worth and people pay it.

Your comparison did not merit a response from my end simply because I see zero difference in quality between a Note 9 and an iPhone X while I can see a glaring difference between a Ferrari and a Subaru just from a photograph. In fact I am getting certain tasks done faster on a Note 9.

You say the sole difference in pricing is because the iPhone is Ferrari and the Note is Subaru. So prove the iPhone is a Ferrari.

BTW. Does Samsung report unit sales?

Who brought Samsung into this? I said Apple's rivals report unit sales. You research the companies who do. No matter how much you run around, you cannot deny the fact that Apple has hidden the sales simply because they are on their way down. Lets hear it from the big man himself.


https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2009/09/10/steve-jobs-laughs-at-your-kindle.aspx

Steve Jobs- ""You notice Amazon never says how much they sell; usually if they sell a lot of something, you want to tell everybody.""

10 years later, Amazon is probably laughing at Apple on this one now.
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Apple will be keeping lcd around. Better to have a perfect lcd than an inferior oled. The dependency on Samsung already has been lessened. Money goes a long way towards getting things done and you or I don't know when micro-led might make it's appearance. But I'm saying don't count it out so fast. And LG oled on tvs are better than Samsung oleds, so LG knows what it's doing, plus any other suppliers you and I don't know about.

The inferior oled which is currrently on the XS Max which wipes the floor with the XR? Are you talking about that crappy lcd with a sub par 336ppi which Apple puts on their budget low end phone? By the way do you want me to post threads about yellow tint and dead pixels of the so called perfect lcd on the XR? There’s plenty

I don’t see a single iPhone without an Samsung oled display currently and the only smartphone manufacturer who dared challenge Samsung got burned badly and returned to Samsung a year later. So where is this statement regarding reduced dependency coming from?

There is a huge difference between oleds on tv an on mobile. They are a completely different beast.

IBM does fine without Samsung, HP and Dell do fine without Samsung.

All of Dell’s top end computers use nvidia RTX graphics cards which use Samsung memory. Top end SSDs are all made by Samsung. By the way did you know one of nvidia’s 2080ti caught fire because they decided to go for Hynix instead of Samsung for memory?

One is owned by facebook and one has an admitted backdoor. No thanks and getting iphone users to agree on which one is difficult, at least here. And as I said SMS.

FaceTime is owned by a company who engaged in Throttlegate without telling anyone. I would take Skype over it any day. And I trust Facebook and Apple equally.

Apple will support their phone for 5 years and the price is the price.

The support is in reality 3 years. After 3 years, it’s crippling rather than supporting.

There is a slight difference. IMO, the above is an exaggeration, which is why apple lcds were rated better than competitors

I see a huge difference. It’s as clear to me as the difference between 144hz and 60hz. I have a 7 Plus which is comparable to the XR display and my iPhone X display blows it away in sharpness and videos.

None of Apple’s lcd displays were rated the best on the planet.

 

[I7guy]

Is the iPhone handmade like the Ferrari? I havent heard of Ferraris engine automatically throttling after a few years. I see iPhones regularly everyday. Don't see a Ferrari though

List of iPhone scandals-
Antennagate
Throttlegate
Bendgate
Error 53
Touch Disease

List of Ferrari scandals-
?

Big one, it can't be driven. IOW, it doesn't perform the basic function.
https://jalopnik.com/owning-a-ferrari-for-a-year-was-a-disappointment-1668355120

Does a Ferrari require 6 exchanges before you end up with a unicorn? We have people on this very forum exchanging iPhones 16 times due to defects.

My iphones have required 0 exchanges. As I said you hit the statistical lotter.

Apple is selling iPhones in countries, Ferrari do not have a store in

One can still get a Ferrari even in countries where there is no store.

Your comparison did not merit a response from my end simply because I see zero difference in quality between a Note 9 and an iPhone X while I can see a glaring difference between a Ferrari and a Subaru just from a photograph. In fact I am getting certain tasks done faster on a Note 9.

You say the sole difference in pricing is because the iPhone is Ferrari and the Note is Subaru. So prove the iPhone is a Ferrari.

Many of your posts don't merit responses, because they are so hyperbolic. The iphone isn't the Ferrari here. Because it just works.

Who brought Samsung into this? I said Apple's rivals report unit sales. You research the companies who do. No matter how much you run around, you cannot deny the fact that Apple has hidden the sales simply because they are on their way down. Lets hear it from the big man himself.

You did when you discussed the competition.

https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2009/09/10/steve-jobs-laughs-at-your-kindle.aspx

Steve Jobs- ""You notice Amazon never says how much they sell; usually if they sell a lot of something, you want to tell everybody.""

10 years later, Amazon is probably laughing at Apple on this one now.

Right, apple should have stopped this years ago.

The inferior oled which is currrently on the XS Max which wipes the floor with the XR? Are you talking about that crappy lcd with a sub par 336ppi which Apple puts on their budget low end phone? By the way do you want me to post threads about yellow tint and dead pixels of the so called perfect lcd on the XR? There’s plenty

I don’t see a single iPhone without an Samsung oled display currently and the only smartphone manufacturer who dared challenge Samsung got burned badly and returned to Samsung a year later. So where is this statement regarding reduced dependency coming from?

Couple of things. Apple LCDs are so good oled (and all of it's variations) are only a hair better for many downsides. As far as knowing who the display panel is, you would have to know the part numbers. If you know them please respond so we all know.

There is a huge difference between oleds on tv an on mobile. They are a completely different beast.

Care to explain what the difference is?

All of Dell’s top end computers use nvidia RTX graphics cards which use Samsung memory. Top end SSDs are all made by Samsung. By the way did you know one of nvidia’s 2080ti caught fire because they decided to go for Hynix instead of Samsung for memory?

Let's not discuss catching fire. Samsung Note 7 comes to mind. Samsung is not the only memory in the world.

FaceTime is owned by a company who engaged in Throttlegate without telling anyone. I would take Skype over it any day. And I trust Facebook and Apple equally.

I don't know what throttlegate is. Must be an internet meme. But you use what you want, I'll use the secure communication software; one without backdoors.

The support is in reality 3 years. After 3 years, it’s crippling rather than supporting.

My 5s says you are incorrect.

I see a huge difference. It’s as clear to me as the difference between 144hz and 60hz. I have a 7 Plus which is comparable to the XR display and my iPhone X display blows it away in sharpness and videos.

None of Apple’s lcd displays were rated the best on the planet.

Apples LCD were rated better than oled very recently. And I wonder how much of this is a placebo effect. I'll bet most people would not be able to tell the difference.

 

[mi7chy]

For Apple to turn around they need to follow what was done at Microsoft and that's to let all those wealthy old thinking retire and take on fresh hungry new talent before any more damage is done such as causing AAPL market cap to drop below MSFT.