I wouldn’t call the SE a new product when it was released - It’s old parts, just like an iPhone 8. That’s what apple does with cheaper phones. And other manufacturers have increased the price of their updated/new/improved phone.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Apple Reportedly Cuts iPhone XS and iPhone XR Production Orders Amid Lower-Than-Expected Demand
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
I wouldn’t call the SE a new product when it was released - It’s old parts, just like an iPhone 8. That’s what apple does with cheaper phones. And other manufacturers have increased the price of their updated/new/improved phone.
And make no mistake, it is just greed in the form of insane margins baked into every product.
I largely skipped Apple purchases this year. This is the first year I will not be getting a new iPhone since 2011. Price is the number 1 factor.
Your fingers are going to be crossed for a long time. Given last quarters financials and the quarter before that and the quarter before that and the...he is not going anywhere.
Who called the SE a new phone? I certainly did not. You called the X, Xs, and Xs Max new products not just upgrades so it justified the new higher price. I disagree with that line of thinking. As far as price goes, others follow Apple's lead on design and price.
My 128 gig 7 Plus was $899 or $949, I can’t remember now.
I have big hands so bigger phones feel more comfortable for me. My Max feels great in hand. I can use it mostly one handed. The newer phones got heavier because of the glass.
The cool thing about the XR is you get 64 gig for $749 and for 128 gig it’s only $799. I wish the XS had a 128gb starting storage. I didn’t want to skimp in storage so I said WTH I’ll get the 256.
A friend of mine got the XR in black, and that size is perfect, I think. It looks beautiful, but not like my gold XS Max!! =)
I feel the XR is the best value. You get practically everything the Max has minus OLED, telephoto, and 3D Touch. I would’ve gotten the XR instead had it been ready for the September release. But I’m a brat and wanted to spoil myself with the XS Max. I love everything about it.
Yeah no, because I don't agree with your assessment that its pay more/do less. I am quite satisfied with my iPhone Xs. Is it perfect? No, but then no iPhone i've ever owned has been. But thats just my feeling, I liked it, so I bought it. There is nothing wrong with constructive, logic based criticism. Whats tiring is all the people here on the forums who declare as absolute that their opinion of the way things should be is the Right Way (TM). To claim that Apple is destroying customer satisfaction because a bunch of people on an internet forum are unhappy with the way things are going at Apple is absurd. People have been ******** on Apples decisions on these forums since the beginning, when Steve Jobs was still running the company and years before the iPhone came out. And its always the same:
"because I needed X it was stupid for Apple to remove it!" For examples of X see floppy disc, optical disc, non-USB ports, headphone jack, 13pin ipod adapter, etc.
"I can buy a PC/Android phone for less!" No one is stopping you from doing that
"I don't need feature X so its stupid for Apple to spend time on it!" For example, Emoji, FaceTime, etc
Its the constant self-centered attitude that gets tiring. Apple is massively successful. Their products sell by the truckload. Their customer satisfaction ratings are near the top in every category. Yes their products are on the expensive end of the spectrum, THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. This is not new! If you think its too expensive, don't buy it! You have options, no one is holding a gun to your head (note: if someone is forcing you at gunpoint to buy Apple products you have bigger problems). Basically stop assuming that everyone is like you! They aren't! Your needs are not my needs, your priorities are not my priorities. Its 100% ok for you not to be happy with an Apple product (or any product) but stop assuming that because YOU aren't happy that EVERYONE isn't happy. If you want to stop supporting Apple, go for it, its your money, use it how you want. But I will never understand the mentality of people who hate Apple and their products so much but feel the need to come to a forum for people who like and use Apple products and complain. We get it, you don't like it, go hang out on the AndroidRumors (or whatever) forums and talk about how great your Galaxy or Pixel or whatever phone is. Go be happy. Stop being such grumps about it here.
However the fact of the matter is that oled is here to stay st least for the next decade. Samsung still has trouble meeting Apple’s massive requirements. Good luck with MicroLED
The point is Tim Cook wouldn’t have hidden the sales of the iPhones if he knew the services business was going to overtake the iphone in the foreseeable future. The reason he hid it is because from hereon in the news regarding that line isn’t good and he wants to save his own skin by just showing the services business which Apple only recently started taking seriously.
The statistics are not in your favour. The vast vast majority are on Android. Even in the US half are on Android. Good luck using FaceTime with a user of an operating system having 50% share.
The contempt when they jack up the price to 1k Plus and insert a throttle a year later just so as to ensure that the average iPhone user would upgrade faster.
[doublepost=1542864721][/doublepost]
Everyone has WhatsApp installed outside the US. No one uses Duo and Hangout’s has been shutdown. There are only 2-3 solutions on Android and every phone without exception has at least one installed.
[doublepost=1542864958][/doublepost]
The iPhone XS Max is not worth $1100. Went to the store, tried it out and I was like "so that’s it?” I was upgrading from an iPhone X. Apple is absolutely crazy charging $1100 for a $900 phone. Went and bought a Note 9 and never looked back.
Last edited:
Thats a fair statement, and I get that, we don't always buy things in a rational fashion. But the things people like iMcLovin are complaining about here aren't things that weren't readily obvious from basic research. Its very clear what the features of the iPhoneXs and Xr are. Its very clear what the price is. And if he/she didn't take their time to make an informed decision, that happens, but its not Apples fault. Apple gave them exactly what it promised. Its not like they promised 10 hour battery life and the phone only gets 5. Or a 12 megapixel camera but the pictures come out looking like they've been massively JPG compressed. The phone does pretty much exactly what the information says it will do. The features it says it has are there. The price is perfectly well known ahead of time. Its perfectly reasonable to think after the fact "You know what, I don't think I like this as much as I thought I did, I probably shouldn't have bought it" or "I don't think this is worth what I paid for it". Those are subjective views, and each persons is perfectly valid for them. But to declare that Apple is "wrong" or "greedy" just because the person personally isn't happy with their own purchase is self-centered. Apple made a product, told us all exactly what it can and can't do, and put it on sale for a known price. Either you think its worth that price and buy it, or you don't and don't buy it. I could forgive someone who had never purchased an iPhone or a smartphone before and thus had no idea what to expect from being upset, but this is someone (many someones) who talk about how they purchased numerous iPhones before. These aren't ignorant/naive purchasers. Would it be great if the iPhone cost less? Absolutely. I am not thrilled that I have to spend so much money on an iPhone, but i think the same about buying a car or a bed or anything else. Of COURSE I would like things to cost less, but people also need to get paid for the work they do, so in the end, as long as there are choices, its up to the consumer.
Whatever you think of MR, it is an open place for rumor, admiration, criticism and opinions, outspoken or not. My experience is that there is ample know-how for interesting discussions; so false criticism usually gets counter-argued with immediate, succinct arguments. I couldn’t find any of those in your lengthy text - how abundant it is, in claims I never made.
As you may know, (Mac-) rumors were instrumental as Apple self-marketing in those days that Keynotes were revealing milestones of landscape-changing innovation. Currently, that role has changed.
Rumors now are merely predictions of what could (or should) happen, based on what customers and analysts consider a viable launch potential of a company of 50...100 times its size of those days (which indeed exceeds that particular iPhone XS you seem to enjoy)
Then there is inevitable disappointment when a company of that size can’t implement expectations it once created itself (while allowing itself many side-activities, luxury and distractions instead...)
That situation itself is a breeding ground for criticism - as you found - by those who funded it all.
I don’t think shaving off the critics for being critical is going to help managing expectations.
I don’t think that price increases across the board will do that either - but you’re free to counter-argue.
There are 2 ways to deal with it: either be factual, succinct when you disagree. Be positive if you feel reason for that. In other cases I would hesitate to respond - as an in-between (appeasement) stance seems to reflect billions of silent buyers, that (rightly or unrightly so) have become the grey mass, currently targeted by Cook, (as ?) they hardly bother to react.
Their limited engagement leaves them little attention value or appreciation in places like this.
Be happy - like those millions others - if your expectations are being met and just ignore (or elevate yourself above) a “mood” problem - that has become very common in modern Apple days, sadly.
Last edited:
People were saying "good luck with oled" until recently and oled and it's variants still aren't perfect. LCD will be here for at least a decade and Apple has been busy contracting other oled panel suppliers. Samsung better be careful.
The point is unit sales are now irrelevant. Apple wants users to keep their phones longer, hence ios 12. Hence one can expect the sales to mitigate. People who used units as a tool to show success and failure, will no longer be able to do that.
As far as Cook saving his sking, as I've been saying since 2013, he is not gong anywhere, just wait till his bonus is announced.
It's a personal choice. My inner circle and outer circle all use iphone. For business, I have a corporate app. Those on android we communicate via SMS or maybe actually have to talk.
I only see the hyperbole on here. It doesn't show in the revenue.
I'm not outside of the US.
The note 9 isn't worth the $1200 either, which is why I'm sticking with the xs max, which in my opinion is worth the price. At lease apple has public stated they want their customers to keep their phones for a long time. How are the sales of the note 9? Is that phone resonating with Samsung customers? Have fun with it in the long term.
Essentially, I couldn't agree more.
[doublepost=1542898163][/doublepost]
These tech companies with massive customer bases, will never agree on forums such as these. Based on the financials, there are customers who are buying apple products, for whatever their own rational. Maybe apple products are meeting customer expectations, maybe people are way too invested emotionally in apple and all of the gut-wrenching, hand-wringing on these fora, is indicative people need to step away and evaluate their tech lives.
I'd say much of what is leveled at apple maybe justified if apple appeared to be going down the tubes, but that is far from happening and some posters, keep singing (and have been singing for almost 8 years) the same refrain: "what goes up, must go down".
It is neither Tim Cook, nor you who determine whether the reporting of unit sales has relevance or not.
In the financial world, a multitude of metrics are being used to assess corporate results and I can assure you that with the current risk assessment on Apple (too dependent on a single product category) this is and remains an important metric.
It is analysts’ opinions/forecasts that determine stock and share value and thereby Apple/Cook’s future.
So it is exactly the other way than what you think: companies unable to satisfy analysts’ information requests or not complying to IFRS accounting standards will face numerous problems of the mere drastic kind.
Companies with high customer esteem do listen carefully to customer feedback.
Mass provisioners generally don’t.
If my (or other) criticism at MR is false, it usually gets counter-argued with to-the-point, succinct arguments. Evaluation of my tech life reveals that I generally fail to see that in your comments which, while singing or not, mostly refer to points I never made.
Last edited:
I'm not worried(and you shouldn't either) about Apple meeting all current regulations (I'm going to let the SEC and govt do my worrying for me). Analysts can say what they want, imo, the biggest barometer of apple is warren buffet. You can discount his success, feel free. And while the market, including apple, has taken a beating in the last few days, having the company hit $1T is the result of the same forces that you claim are used to assess corporate results.
With 300 million customers opinions will vary. Nobody said Apple doesn't listen to their customers, it's apparent they do. They probably don't get their requirements from a few posters on MacRumors.
Do I believe your criticism is false, yes some of it and some of it is overblown. That is not to say apple is above criticism, but applying criticism in a totally hyperbolic way, such as "Tim Crook", does not help apple understand the root cause of what is needed...cause Timmy aint going anywhere unless he chooses to do so.
As a matter of fact, I find their corporate behavior quite worrysome.
In the financial world, their refusal to reveal unit numbers has been received, rightly or unrightly so, as the inability to execute the strategy that they defined earlier. And an attempt to evade that.
SEC and gov’t will never worry, they only check for alignment of regulations and handle accordingly.
I can guarantee Warner Buffet will be very upset also (given share prices a time of his purchase) without disclosing so - to not harm share levels even further.
He will be the first to drop Apple, if necessary.
I do not see how they can sustain a valued $1T at that level under the current tenure.
I really hope Warren has better plans and will interfere.
The (financial) world really is different from what you think.
My assessment is that they listen very selectively, i.e. only when it serves themselves or there is no viable alternative.
However, from your contributions, I have to assume that’s acceptable/familiar to you.
Last edited:
Ok, one opinion against another. And time will tell. (The same thing I said in 2011 and now 7 years later.)
I agree with your first sentence, but that comment is so general that it applies to all of corporate america, imo.
As far as your second sentence, what you personally find unacceptable or acceptable, is not material to ensuring apple is a lawful corporation. And what I find acceptable (familiar) or unacceptable is also not material to apple has to act in a lawful manner. Let the people vote with their dollars.
I can’t assess all of corporate America as accurately and in-depth as you can, but in my country I happily do business with a multitude of (mostly smaller) corporations that listen better and more carefully than mass provisioners like Apple. Which has become like all FADANG corporations that always seem prioritize their next slew of new customers over existing customers like myself.
Consequently, my supplier relation with Apple more and more resembles that with groceries, bread and butter- and other commodity suppliers - which is their choice and a missed chance in terms of post-sales customer relations & appreciation (where MacBook meets MacBurger, ultimately)
But I assume that you will only applaud that, as you seem to have adopted every norm in the Cookette business world, including it’s common “300 million can’t be wrong etc.” rethoric that fairly accurately underlines the cause of disorder: They can’t be wrong, but apparently can be ripped off...
This is how your oneliner “let people vote with their dollars”, the lowest business acumen possible after the last human affection has been lost, as you don’t seem to realize, gets interpreted in an egopreneurship. Thanks for your inspiration.
Your last remark, not unlike the others, is erratic.
A few years ago, I had to sue Apple for not complying to EU warrantee terms for consumer capital goods when I had my MacBook repaired. They conceded only because there was no viable alternative. So my norms (and EU regulations) were instrumental in getting them on that lawful track, your assumptions despite.
Last edited:
W
What caused you to only “like” your iPhone XR as opposed to how you, I assume from the tenor of your comment, “loved” your previous phone?
People can complain about price, I get it. But it seems a very modern, first world problem when people suddenly are down about a device, software or interface when the only real complaint is that it isn’t progressed enough or different enough than what came before, and it might be more expensive than previous versions (of course no one ever seems to acknowledge trade in credits or resale value toward new purchases in these comments, interesting). iPhones work great. They’re usually supported for longer than many androids, you get the support system of the Apple Store with various services (often free) and they last a while or have great resale value.
You’re not sure if you’ll stick with Apple for more than one more cycle because you don’t “love” your iPhone XR?
For all the hoopla over the super OLED screens on many android phones, yeah the resolution might be great but frankly most time the app icons themselves look like mediocre stuff designed students. Great screens, ugly design. Cool!
What do you use for phone for?
What caused you to only “like” your iPhone XR as opposed to how you, I assume from the tenor of your comment, “loved” your previous phone?
People can complain about price, I get it. But it seems a very modern, first world problem when people suddenly are down about a device, software or interface when the only real complaint is that it isn’t progressed enough or different enough than what came before, and it might be more expensive than previous versions (of course no one ever seems to acknowledge trade in credits or resale value toward new purchases in these comments, interesting). iPhones work great. They’re usually supported for longer than many androids, you get the support system of the Apple Store with various services (often free) and they last a while or have great resale value.
You’re not sure if you’ll stick with Apple for more than one more cycle because you don’t “love” your iPhone XR?
For all the hoopla over the super OLED screens on many android phones, yeah the resolution might be great but frankly most time the app icons themselves look like mediocre stuff designed students. Great screens, ugly design. Cool!
What do you use for phone for?
what the heck does bad icon design have to do with screen tech... this post is ... just nonsensical.
don't like the way icon set looks? replace it. that super high def AMOLED display is still going to look better regardless of the icon set behind it.
(I'm not saying the LCD in the XR or even prior iPhones is bad. they're some of the best LCD displays i've ever looked at, but AMOLED, while not perfect, overall produces far better picture quality)
That iPhone 6-8 are still fine is a compliment to Apple, certainly not an endorsement of Android over Apple.
Could it be Apple has realized people are holding onto their iPhones longer, because they just keep on performing for people, and so they need to increase ASP because people don’t upgrade as frequently? That seems to make sense to me! If something is going to last so long, then it’s worth the higher price.
[doublepost=1542912746][/doublepost]
It’s not nonsensical. I said the screen technology is advanced but the interface still is visually inferior. Resolution is one thing, design is another.
The screens are sharp, the colors are “rich” and yet so many of these Android screens I’ve seen look like trash compared to iPhone screens. Because the actual things on the screen, like APP ICONS (hence my mention of them) look ugly and tacky.
I look at this thing everyday, why should I be accosted by ugly design? Maybe Steve Jobs wasn’t onto something...
Too tough for you to process?
Why do people masturbate to tech specs? It doesn’t always result in an asthetically pleasing product. It seems some people have some sort of emotional need to validate themselves by the specs of their phone (which they mostly use to check email and look at websites, of course). And these are the same sort of people that criticize The A Series chips as being needlessly fast (“it doesn’t really matter”).
you do know that you can change icons sets and the UI look / feel with android rigth? don't like the colour palette, change it. Dno't like the icon set, change it. Don't like the launcher, change it.
but this is all irrelevant. You either knew that, or you've never actually used android and are looking for any excuse to bash something you don't use.
we're talking about screens and screen quality and your point is "But android icons suck!"
that's why its nonsense. are you looking at icons when you're watching movies at 1080p? or reviewing your camera photos you've taken at 12mpx? or when you're in facebook... you're using your phone MORE than just looking at a launch screen. so yeah, your comment is absolutely nonsense.
your own perspective on the default icons might be ok. but it's completely utterly irrelevant to the conversation at hand.
Yes I’m just like the hordes of weirdos that come on here, have never used Apple products, and criticize.
No I don’t own an Android device. Perhaps that’s because every single one I’ve seen has not imparted to me this phantasmic upside that I keep hearing about from Android users.
I imagine I must have seen various versions/configurations as you’ve described. The fact that you can adjust themes and palettes doesn’t change the fact that devices that have been offered to me as aesthetically superior honestly didn’t seem to be, based on the design. You can go on and on about how many options you have, that doesn’t speak to the quality of them. And you call other people nonsensical? Absolute farce.
“BUT LOOK, I CAN CHANGE IT BETWEEN THESE 5 DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF UGLY! ITS BETTER! I HAVE CHOICE!”
Anyway, I really don’t give a crap if people use Android phones. Many Android users seem to get bent out of shape that people use Apple products, though. I take issue with frivolous folks who pretend that hardware specs alone constitute a great experience.
Of course I never suggested that people use their phone solely to look at app icons, but you knew that. You just pretended not to in order to make a point. App icons were an example I used to illustrate that display quality/resolution is not the sole measure of aesthetic quality. But, again, you knew that.
If you’d like another example of how display resolution is not the definitive factor in aesthetic quality, we can also look at interactive mechanics. In my experience, in the examples I’ve seen (I’m sure you’ll scream about other examples you’ve seen) the functional use of Android (switching between apps, scrolling, animation, etc) is inferior to iOS. Again the point is that ****** animation can be offered at a high resolution, but it doesn’t make it better aesthetically.
I can’t believe you either don’t understand what I’m saying, or that you’re such a combative internet creep that you pretend not to.
Oh and also, who are these spec nazis you reference who are obsessively watching movies on their phones, who are laboring over high quality photos, screaming their lungs out if they don’t have what you consider to be the appropriate quality? LOL. What a life it must be to rely on more than transient, just-because visual entertainment from any handheld device. When I’m looking for the sharpest image, I’m probably not hunkering down with my phone. I’m looking at a television or a computer screen.
I also happen to have a new XR. I was shocked when I saw the display. It wasn’t because of a lack of quality, but because I had heard from internet nuts that the display was of such inferior quality. It’s not. This forum is full of nitpicking nutbags.
No. Only you were saying that.Many have been clamouring for OLED since 2014. As far as the other contractors go, how did that work out for Google with the Pixel 2? There are ZERO alternatives to OLED displays made by Samsung. Apple has relegated LCD to their budget low end phone. The flagships have OLED displays meaning Apple admits they are superior.
The unit sales became irrelevant only because they are going in one direction and that's down. No company wants their users to keep phones for longer. Apple's 60% revenue comes from iPhones which means they want people to buy em as fast as possible. iOS 12 only happened because they were caught with their pants down with Throttlegate which was, you guessed it, a way to get people to upgrade faster
He is only hyping the services business because since its being developed from zero it has room to grow. By the time it flatlines, he retires.
Why use a plainly inferior solution like SMS when we have a solution which works everywhere all the time?
It did. That's why we no longer have unit sales of the product line contributing to 60-70% of Apple
And in the US you can't connect with 50% of the userbase
The Note 9 is currently selling at $700. Almost half of what you posted. At least Samsung has the courage to not hide their unit sales even though they are in a downward spiral. Yes, Samsung customers love their phones. Hence why they are the most profitable company on Android.
ok, so lets put this down to all things being equal
if you have the choice between a 1440p based AMOLED and a 720p LCD, which of the two has the greater potential for quality. ignoring whatever device they may be on since you apparently have a personal problem understanding what the conversation was actually about.
you're right. crap image displayed even on a high end device still might look like crap.
But we're talking about iphones here and comparing the displays available between iPhones itself.
is the LCD on the Xr or even 6-8 bad? Hell no. Best LCD's i've seen. But even the best LCD's with lower resolution aren't able to compete with the newest high resolution displays. Even Apple have admitted to this with their higher end iPhones shipping with the arguably the worlds best OLED displays.
where there's a point of contention is that this is now 2018, and while the Xr' display is likely still one of the absolute best LCD displays you can get, there are better quality displays available in AMOLED, on devices that are cheaper than the Xr.
this has led to the complaints and commentary that you're seemingly railing against. There's nothing WRONG with the Xr's LCD. But many people think that the Xr's price doesn't match up with the technology. if you can buy high end quality phones (ignoring your meaningless ranting about the icons) for less than the iPhone Xr with high end AMOLEDS, than why is Apple resorting to a lower quality LCD?
this is the point you're not answering. you're deflecting by trying to make it about whats on the display itself and not the quality of the display. ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, an iPhone with OLED > LCD. it's not even specs, you can see the difference just by looking at them, and it's more than pure resolution.
your whole set of rants is absolutely meaningles cause you refuse to address the points and are deflecting behind the "numbers don't matter" and "but android looks terrible" arguments, which are completely irrelevant to the discussion.
I’m sorry I had to respond again because I just realized how absurd your original comment was LOL.
You asked me what app icons had to do with screen tech.
THAT WAS MY ENTIRE POINT. IT DOESNT NECESSARILY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SCREEN TECH.
If the design is ugly it downs rmatte rule advanced the screen is.
Don’t accuse other people of being nonsensical when the real problem is your limited comprehension.
[doublepost=1542915329][/doublepost]
I think you’re confused about my actual point is. You say I’m side stepping the “real” question by talking about what is on the screen as opposed to the quality of the screen.
You fail to see: that is my point. That was my whole purpose for speaking.
You’re ill. I can’t help you.
[doublepost=1542915612][/doublepost]“I MADE THESE COOKIES WITH THE HIGHEST QUALITY INGREDIENTS!”
“I don’t like chocolate, I think it tastes bad. I don’t like these cookies”
“BUT I USED THE HIGHEST QUALITY INGREDIENTS! YOUR DISLIKE OF THEM IS NONSENSICAL!!”
“No, I just don’t like the taste of chocolate, and therefore these cookies, the quality make no difference”
“YOURE AVOIDING THE POINT!!”
maybe we are having a hard time understanding your point in a long winded rant that doesn't circle back to the conversation the rest of us are having... then resorting to personal attacks and ad hominems when you fail to properly explain yourself.
so lets back up and see if we're on the same page since we may very well be saying the same thing.
Ignoring the OS and whats on the display because we're talking about iphone to iPhone. the OLED display (as evidenced on the X, Xs and Xs+) are of far superior quality to the LCD that has existed on the iPhone 6-8 and the Xr. This is a fact and has been empirically proven by numerous different metrics. This isn't up for the discussion. All theings being equal, OLED> LCD.
Given that the display on an Xr and an Xs are showing the same thing with the same coulour patterns, your point about the icons on android is irrelevant and not part of this dscussion.
so when we're comparing Apples to Apples. That is iPhone to iPhone, while the Xr LCD is probably one of the best LCDs in the business, it is still sub par compared to the OLED on the Xs.
the OLED that is on the Xs is made by Samsung. This same display is essentially available on devices that cost less than $800. This leads us to ask then, is the inclusion of the lower resolution LCD display instead of an AMOLED good value for the $750 price that the Xr is asking?
nobody here is saying that the Xr display is crap. We're asking if Apple missed priced the Xr due to the value of the parts involved being notably less in cost than parts that could have easily been included.
Apple could have very VERY likely included an AMOLED based display in the Xr, and still kept the price point at $750. They would have had to lower their margins. Bu Apple Decided that the margins were more important than ensuring that the top end quality was there.
so again, we may be on the same page, but you deflected with android's imagery as some reason why LCD > AMOLED. that's where your rant was nonsensicle.
I wonder this too, and wasn't it supposed to be difficult to make a LCD with curved corners and edge to edge because of the way the backlight works? It almost seems like it would be cheaper to have used OLED panels at 1080p and calibrated them to Apples standard instead in the XR. I suppose they did the math and it was cheaper to use the LCD but seems odd to me. (or maybe they were worried the XR with a 1080P oled would have killed sales of the Xs and and Xs max?)