Apple Reportedly in Talks With Samsung About OLED Displays for Future iPads and MacBooks

[I7guy]

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PWM and headache. Smearing effect. Burn-in. And next to no energy saving depending on how Apple implement dark mode on each device.
These are enough to give people a pause when buying OLED screen devices.
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Apple did a good job with their oled. I have sensitive eyes and no headaches. I could go either way through: lcd or oled.

 

[Shirasaki]

Apple did a good job with their oled. I have sensitive eyes and no headaches. I could go either way through: lcd or oled.

This sounds a bit reassuring. I now use iPad to check forum a lot more than using iPhone though because of the large screen.

 

[Shirasaki]

The problem with those options is that they still emit the high levels of blue light from behind the screen. They help but are only a bandaid approach to the overall problem. The solution would be to use LEDs that are physically masked as more yellow, ones that have the harmful, invisible blue light part of the spectrum removed or covered, but that is not lightly to happen. OLED still has elevated levels of invisible blue light over say, the sun or incandescent light bulbs, but it’s roughly 1/3rd that of regular LED light.

So while True Tone and Nightshift due help immensely against eye strain, I worry they don’t do enough to block the harmful range of blue light from hitting the back of our retinas.

So the problem here is to reduce blue light emission without removing blue pixels. Hmm. Time to use YGMK or other nonRGB colour representation methods? I guess it would be great if blue light is presented without blue pixels.

 

[iamthedudeman]

That's pretty bad. Really shows how fast iPhone sales have been declining in just the past year alone. Compare Q1 2018 to 2019 and it's like a 30% decline in volume.

Exactly. Their prices are too damn high.

 

[ValO]

I don’ t think OLED is ready for big computer displays or for the iPad pro.
But Apple could be developing an iPad mini pro which could use an oled screen with a high res/dpi oled display . That could be the perfect size for starting with development of bigger oled displays.

 

[mrex]

Why would Samsung agree to this? Why not take the penalty as Apple has nowhere else to get their screens from anyway?

a business makes money by selling parts - every sold iphone samsung gets nice profits too. they either cant compete with iphones/ipads because apple is the only one selling ios. but samsung can collect profits by selling parts for them.

why wouldnt samsung take that money from apple?

Good. My 5.9mm thin iPad Pro is way too thick.

yeah, take couple of microns away and you can roll it much easier than now just bending it.

 

[Cosmosent]

Apple got reduced pricing for their OLED panels (for the X, XS, & XS Max) based-upon projected "unit sales," & then didn't live up to their end of the bargain.

So now, Apple either needs to pay Samsung a penalty, OR figure-out a way out.

Putting OLED displays in future iPads & MacBooks is a very bad idea, IMO !

Apple needs less expensive products, NOT more expensive !

Here is one I think they should consider:

Start with the XR, remove the existing 6.1" LCD, add a bottom bezel & hardware home button, add a 5.5" 16:9 1080p 458 PPI OLED display, & add 2 GB (more) of DRAM !

Add of course, Drop the FACE ID feature in it (NOT needed, plus it reduces the cost by stripping it out) !

Call it the LS for Legacy Sport, & price it @ $649 USD !

The display will very-likely need to be 16:9 to fit the XR with a Bottom Bezel + Hardware Home Button.

It would be, IMO, a better design than anything Apple has produced since the 7+ !

 

[realtuner]

That's pretty bad. Really shows how fast iPhone sales have been declining in just the past year alone. Compare Q1 2018 to 2019 and it's like a 30% decline in volume.

So you originally posted 50% decline, I pointed out it was wrong and you edited it down to 30%.

Sorry, but your math is still suspect.

 

[Quu]

So you originally posted 50% decline, I pointed out it was wrong and you edited it down to 30%.

Sorry, but your math is still suspect.

Sounds like someones been drinking the Apple Kool-Aid.

 

[realtuner]

Sounds like someones been drinking the Apple Kool-Aid.

So rather than show any numbers to back up your claims you resort to insults?

 

[Quu]

So rather than show any numbers to back up your claims you resort to insults?

"Report: Quarterly iPhone sales drop a massive 30% YoY as entire smartphone market sees decline"

End of discussion as far as I'm concerned. Also you need thicker skin, that wasn't an insult and this is the internet.

 

[realtuner]

"Report: Quarterly iPhone sales drop a massive 30% YoY as entire smartphone market sees decline"

End of discussion as far as I'm concerned. Also you need thicker skin, that wasn't an insult and this is the internet.

Gartner lists iPhone sales at 44.5 million. Canalys is at 40.2 million. Above Avalon and Stategy Analytics are both at 43 million.

IDC is at 36 million. Not only are they far below the estimates of 4 other companies, but their estimates are mathematically impossible based on iPhone revenue (which Apple still reports) and historical ASP.

Curious, do you think IDC is right? Or are the other 4 companies right (closer)?

 

[Quu]

Gartner lists iPhone sales at 44.5 million. Canalys is at 40.2 million. Above Avalon and Stategy Analytics are both at 43 million.

IDC is at 36 million. Not only are they far below the estimates of 4 other companies, but their estimates are mathematically impossible based on iPhone revenue (which Apple still reports) and historical ASP.

Curious, do you think IDC is right? Or are the other 4 companies right (closer)?

I think IDC is correct and combined with the news that they owe Samsung hundreds of millions of dollars, which would indicate at-least 200 million I think they're right on the money.

But I concede IDC could be wrong and this report itself about what Apple owes Samsung could be wrong or completely false. I think the backdoor in the Supermicro servers was completely bogus for example and that was a big negative story about Apple.

 

[koruki]

Hey Tim, heard you got spare OLED's laying around, can you throw together a OLED edge to edge iphone SE for me, I'd happily pay XS money for it.

 

[ROGmaster]

Good point, after all the “leaks” of micro-LED display wonders purportedly just around the corner, we find it was just more posturing and manipulation that Cook uses to keep the investment community interested.

What leaks are you talking about? I haven't seen leaks that made plausible suggestions about micro-LED screens being around the corner, just some wishful thinking articles.

 

[Janichsan]

OLEDs do not have faster response times than LED or LCD, this is simply false.

It is simply false that OLEDs do not have a faster response time than LCDs:

OLED response times are up to 1,000 times faster than LCD, putting estimates varying from under 10 μs (0.01 ms) to as low as 0.001 ms

 

[Bregalad]

I'm not surprised that Apple overestimated the demand for $1000+ phones. I'm in the market for an upgrade, but can't justify adding $40/month to my bill.

 

[Whathappened]

So we end up with inferior OLED (compared to Micro LED) because Tim over did the orders?

This company has changed beyond all recognition.

Yeah Jobs started it, failed, came back, new success, then Cook takes over to make it one of the most valuable companies in the world.
Wtf have you done?

 

[RedCloud2017]

I hope so. Since Samsung has dropped the headphone jack in their new tablet line and they're insisting on using stinking widescreen aspect ratios Amoled might well be the only thing preventing me from switching to the iPad Pro for my next tablet.