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Apple Reportedly Plans to Launch iPhone With Under-Display Fingerprint Sensor in China

Android manufacturers are moving in a way that in 1, 2 years they will probably be offering no notch and no movable front camera, under the screen touch ID (gen 2 or 3) and full screen displays.

If Apple can't do anything to reduce or eliminate the notch while keeping face ID they may find themselves in an undesirable situation of having very expensive phones with large notches.

There wouldn't be any sort of mass migration but something similar to that time Apple was forced to design larger iPhones could happen.
 
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Premium1 said:
Launch it worldwide. If it works effectively, everyone wants a budget device (the prices are already high as it is)
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Yep.

Although in my case I just want Apple to start releasing the OLED iPhones with 128 GB at entry level, with a $100 US lower price. Or else, like the XR, offer a reasonably priced upgrade to 128 GB from the 64 GB model. The current pricing model of Apple OLEDs is ridiculous.

Or else, if they had an XR with the iPhone Plus screen technology, I'd go for one of those, as long as it had a 2X lens.

Even though I love OLED for my TV, I'm less concerned about OLED for an iPhone. OLED is nice, but it's not a make-or-break feature for me on phones.
 
EugW said:
You keep effectively contracting yourself.

I gave real world examples including twins, and you claim they are scams, yet gloss over the fact that Apple itself acknowledges this is a real-world issue. I guess Apple confirming this is also a scam.

Congrats on continuing to dig your own hole even deeper.
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You posted a YouTube video to try and make your point (and failed miserably).

Apple states FaceID is more secure than TouchID. You have offered nothing to counter this claim by Apple.
 
flat five said:
huh? i didn’t make any claim about FaceID/Applepay..

go back and look.. i said it’s the better method regardless of FaceID or TouchID or passcode..

but for real.. do what you want.. i don’t care in this context.. i don’t feel like you’re open to listening anyway.. again, if you use the MTA at some point though, please just humor me and use my wrong technique
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I don't like using pre-authentication for Touch ID. The extra step is annoying. (I tried it for a while and then gave up on it.)
 
sniffies said:
Touch ID is more convenient
Face ID is more secure
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How is deliberately having to tap your finger to ID yourself more convenient than the iPhone always knowing its you just by looking at you and not having to ask you to authenticate yourself?
 
FYI, 50% of the reason Apple is producing it is because of poor iPhone unit sales, the other 50% is to resolve the OLED units dispute with Samsung.

very-likely a 4.8" 458 PPI 1080p OLED display (in a small chassis)
 
Cosmosent said:
FYI, 50% of the reason Apple is producing it is because of poor iPhone unit sales, the other 50% is to resolve the OLED units dispute with Samsung.

very-likely a 4.8" 458 PPI 1080p OLED display (in a small chassis)
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Yes, they would solve this unit sales issue simply by lowering OLED iPhone pricing. But then they would be even more dependent upon Samsung, and they don't want that.

I wonder how long it will take to reduce their reliance on Samsung for OLEDs. They've tasked LG and Japan Display for this, but apparently LG has problems making iPhone sized OLEDs, and Japan Display will be a while off for iPhone sized OLEDs too.
 
jermwhl said:
Having just come back to iPhone after using galaxy s10, I can say I missed Face ID. The in screen FPS just plain sucked. It worked about 60% of the time for me. If apple could figure out a way to make the FPS better, maybe it’d be worth it, but Samsung’s version of it was just horrible for me.
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It works about 80% of the time for me, but it is very slow to unlock my S-10+. For me, Face ID is super fast when it works, which is about 60% of the times. I have to get the phone angled just right or it fails.
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curtvaughan said:
Bring back the fingerprint sensors and phone jacks, and include a nice DAC. Make it a little thicker, if need be. I'd trade in my 6S+ tomorrow instead of getting a new battery.
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That’s my dream iPhone, but I bet it would be really thick and heavy and expensive. I’d still get it, though.
 
They have to do it. Chinese look all the same.





WAIT HOLD ON THIS WAS JUST A LAME JOKE !!!!
 
Quu said:
Can we get that in the USA and Europe too please?
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No. iPhone customers in those places have overwhelmingly extolled the superiority of Face ID over Touch ID and the resulting notch in the screen to support it.

There are very few of us left who want things like Touch ID, 3.5mm headphone jack, and other antiquated features.
 
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This strategy adopted by domestic brands appears to have paid off, with Apple losing many Chinese users who prefer smartphones priced at around 5,000 yuan ($731)
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For those wondering, the under 5000 CNY / $731 includes 20% VAT. So if Apple were to compete with that price segment its iPhone would have to be Sub $600 Retail. That is roughly the current pricing of iPhone 7 Plus, $549.

If I had to guess, I think Apple will likely use both under display Touch ID and Face ID, basically Username and Password.
And the lower end model ( Model replacing iPhone 8 ) will only have under display Touch ID.

I surely wouldn't mind a No Notch, InDisplay TouchID, LCD iPhone for $599.
 
This will not save Apple from themselves. They increasingly raise the prices of their iDevices and then get upset when the sales numbers decline. Then, they come out with a "budget" device that strips out all of the desirable features at around the same time that they release a "new" and "improved" device at an even higher price level. Apple's greed is what is affecting sales volumes, nothing else.

MacRumors said:



Apple intends to launch a new iPhone for the budget-conscious Chinese market that features an under-display fingerprint sensor instead of expensive Face ID technology, Chinese media sources have claimed.

According to Sino-based English-language paper The Global Times, Apple will release the new "tailored iPhone" in the country to arrest declining sales, which have been worsened by cost pressures from the 18-month long trade war between the U.S and China.

galaxy-s8_security_touch.jpg
Apple has effaced fingerprint recognition entirely in its flagship smartphone lineup, which includes the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and LCD-based iPhone XR. All have a notch at the top of the screen housing the TrueDepth sensing camera in lieu of a Home button, which contained Touch ID's focused capacitive drive ring in earlier iPhones.

Apple was widely rumored to be attempting to integrate Touch ID under the display on 2017's iPhone X, but the company ditched any form of fingerprint scanning after hitting "early line of sight" with Face ID. Chinese smartphone brands like Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo and Vivo have since gone in the opposite direction and extended the adoption of in-display fingerprint sensing technology from their premium smartphones to mid-range models.

The increased use of fingerprint scanners in smartphone screens is also reportedly being driven by a reduction in sensor prices and the price gap between OLED and LCD panels. This strategy adopted by domestic brands appears to have paid off, with Apple losing many Chinese users who prefer smartphones priced at around 5,000 yuan ($731), which has resulted in an increase in purchases of local brands, according to Monday's report.

Despite the market shift to fingerprint sensing tech, many observers believe Apple is done with Touch ID in smartphones, although the company has explored various in-display fingerprint scanner solutions in the past, including fingerprint sensing MicroLED displays. Touch ID has also found a new lease of life on laptop keyboards, specifically in Apple's MacBook Pro with Touch Bar range and the latest MacBook Air.

Notably, following meetings with suppliers in Apple's Asian supply chain in May, Barclays analysts claimed that 2020 model iPhones will have acoustic fingerprint technology that could allow for full-screen Touch ID.

Regardless, news of Apple's declining sales in China contrasts with the company's most recent earnings results. CEO Tim Cook said in April that performance in China had improved over the previous quarter, thanks in part to a sales tax cut in the country that allowed Apple to decrease the price of its products, and a "much better tone" in the China-U.S. trade relationship.

Article Link: Apple Reportedly Plans to Launch iPhone With Under-Display Fingerprint Sensor in China
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I prefer touchID for safety purposes when driving. I keep my phone in my pocket while driving and can use Touch ID to summon Siri over Bluetooth instead of taking it out of my pocket and having to look to unlock when Siri asks. That’s just dangerous, and could get you a ticket as well where I live. Hope to be able to afford a CarPlay setup at some point, but for now, holding on to my 8+ unless a better solution comes along.
 
FaceID is slow on X, is there a way to extend time after which phone is locked? Its waste of time to wait hundreds times a day for an unlock
 
The current rumor of a smaller 5.4 inch OLED iPhone in 2020 likely means there will not be a smaller phone this year. If there is a China TouchID phone, it will likely be the LCD iPhone XR design and size, notch and all. I could see in 2020 a phone that features both Face ID and TouchID for those few occasions when TouchID might be better. It would likely be included only on the higher-end phones.
 
The article on 9to5 Mac titled the article correctly, they stated this is a VERY SKETCHY leak, which I do not see Apple breaking away from Face ID. I used to like it, but on the XS Max for some reason it seems a lot slower to respond that my X did. I would love to have touch ID back.
 
MacRumors said:



Apple intends to launch a new iPhone for the budget-conscious Chinese market that features an under-display fingerprint sensor instead of expensive Face ID technology, Chinese media sources have claimed.

According to Sino-based English-language paper The Global Times, Apple will release the new "tailored iPhone" in the country to arrest declining sales, which have been worsened by cost pressures from the 18-month long trade war between the U.S and China.

galaxy-s8_security_touch.jpg
Apple has effaced fingerprint recognition entirely in its flagship smartphone lineup, which includes the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, and LCD-based iPhone XR. All have a notch at the top of the screen housing the TrueDepth sensing camera in lieu of a Home button, which contained Touch ID's focused capacitive drive ring in earlier iPhones.

Apple was widely rumored to be attempting to integrate Touch ID under the display on 2017's iPhone X, but the company ditched any form of fingerprint scanning after hitting "early line of sight" with Face ID. Chinese smartphone brands like Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo and Vivo have since gone in the opposite direction and extended the adoption of in-display fingerprint sensing technology from their premium smartphones to mid-range models.

The increased use of fingerprint scanners in smartphone screens is also reportedly being driven by a reduction in sensor prices and the price gap between OLED and LCD panels. This strategy adopted by domestic brands appears to have paid off, with Apple losing many Chinese users who prefer smartphones priced at around 5,000 yuan ($731), which has resulted in an increase in purchases of local brands, according to Monday's report.

Despite the market shift to fingerprint sensing tech, many observers believe Apple is done with Touch ID in smartphones, although the company has explored various in-display fingerprint scanner solutions in the past, including fingerprint sensing MicroLED displays. Touch ID has also found a new lease of life on laptop keyboards, specifically in Apple's MacBook Pro with Touch Bar range and the latest MacBook Air.

Notably, following meetings with suppliers in Apple's Asian supply chain in May, Barclays analysts claimed that 2020 model iPhones will have acoustic fingerprint technology that could allow for full-screen Touch ID.

Regardless, news of Apple's declining sales in China contrasts with the company's most recent earnings results. CEO Tim Cook said in April that performance in China had improved over the previous quarter, thanks in part to a sales tax cut in the country that allowed Apple to decrease the price of its products, and a "much better tone" in the China-U.S. trade relationship.

Article Link: Apple Reportedly Plans to Launch iPhone With Under-Display Fingerprint Sensor in China
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Dang, I will upgrade from my iPhone6S to this phone if made available in the US.
 
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