They can have all my naked pics for that amount of work. Have at it
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Apple Reportedly Plans to Launch iPhone With Under-Display Fingerprint Sensor in China
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I've seen first (non-Apple) prototypes without the questionable notch: They use under screen camera and (in beta) speaker plus microphone designed as vibration-active OLED. Apple might soon have to rethink their current concept.
Another scam video. These have all been debunked.
First person "learns" their face. Second person tries to unlock, fails. They enter the PIN and FaceID "merges" the two faces because it thinks you're the owner (since you used the PIN). After a few tries you can get both faces to unlock.
This is why NOBODY ever shows a complete video of the entire procedure (they don't want you to see the scam). You can see this video has "skips" where they cut some portions out. It's also why Bkav (another scammer in Vietnam) wouldn't provide details about their supposed fake mask that "fooled" FaceID - because they also "learned" the mask. Just some hacks looking for their 15 minutes of fame at the expense of Apple.
Further, they literally learned one person and then tried the second. Apple has stated both with TouchID and FaceID that it learns over time to increase security. In other words, the easiest time to fool them is right after initial learning when it hasn't been used enough for the software to finish building its complete "profile" of your finger/face.
Then we have all the videos of twins trying to fool FaceID and having it fail. Funny how those videos never receive as much publicity. Or Forbes going to great lengths (and expense) to make a 3D mask (to duplicate what Bkav claimed they did) to fool FaceID and also failing.
I was able to get three friends to unlock it... Same with their facial recognition
Uh no.
First of all, I never posted a link about masks fooling Face ID. So your claim of this being "debunked" is a strawman argument, as I never claimed this in the first place.
Secondly, as mentioned, Apple itself suggests using passcodes and not Face ID for twins. Phil Schiller said this publicly. Obviously they wouldn't say this if they thought Face ID was good for twins. You are correct that for some twins it does differentiate them, but the point is that for a lot of twins it doesn't. Interesting that you claim this has been debunked when Apple itself admits it is an issue. Also as mentioned, Apple goes on to say that Face ID doesn't work well for kids, because the technology was not designed for them. It was designed to be secure for teens and adults.
In any case, my preference is Face ID for iPads, and Touch ID for iPhones, since the usage of them is different. I use my iPad Pro with a keyboard in landscape mode, so on a desk it is always facing me. If I'm holding the iPad, it is also facing me in the correct orientation. And furthermore, I don't use Apple Pay with my iPad. In contrast, with the iPhone, the above is not necessarily true, so Face ID, as good as it is, can sometimes be a hindrance.
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authenticate your purchase prior to putting the phone to the terminal.
try it right now.. authenticate then it will say ‘hold near reader’ for a minute or so... this is a better way to use ApplePay regardless of FaceID or TouchID or passcode..
dude, they’re twins.
do you honestly consider this a security risk? or does it affect you or the vast majority of people in any way?
tone down the drama maybe?
My point exactly. If a person really wants to spend that amount of time to get my phone, then its yours. By the time it would take them to do everything in the article I quotes (assuming they have access) I'd probably have realized my phone is gone and wiped it.
Of course it's a security risk if you're a twin. This is why Apple suggests not using Face ID for twins.
What drama? I'm just pointing out that the claim Face ID is more secure is not actually true. I would use Face ID, but in the real world Face ID is not more secure. Secure enough for most people, and myself, but I'm under no illusions that it is more secure than Touch ID.
This is annoying for a lot of people. It's basically a workaround, but yes, it works.
I beg to differ. Face ID is both more convenient and more secure. At least for me, and everyone I know who has it, loves it. and Im on the old, out-dated iPhone X(not, its a great phone!), which is much slower than the new ones
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and get ir right, everyone admits putting the sensors under the screen kindof sucks. Maybe they will get it right one day
Sorry I was obviously not clear enough; I meant an entire region specific phone model (which is what this sounds to be if true) not just a variant of a phone with region specific cellular support. Yes they have always had variants of iPhones with differing cellular specifications to make them work globally. Swapping and changing out features as yet is unheard of, they've always been the same models with the same features supporting different radio bands. In the case of dual sim phones, the Chinese ones use two physical sim slots instead of one physical and one eSim. It's not a differing feature, it's (like the other cellular variants) a different way of arriving at the same goal (dual sim support).
From the tone of this thread, it seems if Apple themselves found FID superior to TID a great deal of iPhone users did not.
Under-Display Fingerprint Sensor would be nice for Apple Watch. I don't want a notch over my watch face 
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it’s dramatic because twins are rare.. evil twins are incredibly rare.. twins are generally trustworthy with each other.. more so than any other type of relationship or strangers.. like- it’s not a big deal in all but the most outside of cases.. to the point where it’s a non-issue
huh? this is literally the way Apple themselves instruct usage.
sorry, it’s not a workaround at all.. it’s the proper usage.. and you’re doing it wrong
—if you insist you’re doing it right then ok.. but if you ever come to NYC and decide to use ApplePay on the subway, please humor me and pre-authenticate prior to arriving at the turnstile..
I posted about masks to supplement my point that the people doing these "tests" are scammers and they use the same procedure (unlocking with a PIN after a filed unlock to merge/learn both faces or face/mask). No strawman at all.
Schiller never said you should use passcode if you're twins. What he actually said was that if you're concerned about it, then use a passcode. Language matters, and you're twisting what he said to imply Apple says twins should use passcodes.
Apple also said the chance of a random person unlocking FaceID was 1 in 1,000,000 while for TouchID is was 1 in 50,000. So yes, FaceID is absolutely more secure than TouchID. And since nobody has yet fooled FaceID (whereas numerous people have fooled TouchID with lifted prints) it's also more secure than TouchID for bad actors trying to break into someone's iPhone.
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Your argument is security doesn't matter for twins because they're usually trustworthy. Uh what?
Yes, it's an official Apple-suggested method to compensate for the disadvantage of Face ID for Apple Pay. We can call it what we want, but the bottom line is a lot of people find it irritating, esp. if they're used to Apple Pay with Touch ID.
To claim Face ID works just as well as Touch ID for Apple Pay, is simply sticking your head in the sand. Yes it can be made to work reasonably well, but it's still not as slick as Touch ID in this context. Is it a deal-killer? Of course not, but this is one big reason some people prefer Touch ID.
Anyhow, like I said before, I'd be fine using Face ID on an iPhone, and actually prefer Face ID for iPads, but I'm not foolish enough to claim Face ID is always better than Touch ID for everything.
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Uh, you're basically just regurgitating Apple's press releases. I gave you real world examples, and also gave you Apple's own statements about twins and kids for Face ID. Apple never made these suggestions for twins and kids for Touch ID.
And your point about masks is completely irrelevant to my post. It's essentially moving the goalposts, to give yourself something to refute even though it wasn't actually part of the discussion.
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I dunno. Like India, China is a single market that is nearly larger than the US and European market combined. That might be worth the cost of extra R&D to produce something
Workaround? Curious, where do you live? Are NFC terminals common?
I use Apple Pay for over 95% of my purchases. Using TouchID with Apple Pay fails quite often. If I held my iPhone to the terminal while also lightly touching the Home button with my thumb (so it could read my finger once it realized I was trying to pay) it would often fail. I'm not sure why this is, but I think it's a sync issue where it's trying to talk to the NFC terminal while also validating your fingerprint and the timing gets mixed up and it fails. Sometimes I'd have to remove my iPhone and then hold it to the reader a second time before it works.
However, if I double click my Home button to bring up Apple Pay, and then authenticate my fingerprint BEFORE tapping the terminal with my iPhone my success rate is virtually 100%. Before I got my Apple Watch (which is how I do my payments now) I always used my iPhone by pre-authorizing Apple Pay with a double-click to avoid these issues.
I don't see this is any different than double clicking the side button and pre-authorizing before tapping. Further, I see terminals/readers mounted in all sorts of positions. Pre-authorizing Apple Pay before tapping gives me the flexibility to hold my iPhone to the reader no matter how it's mounted/located, instead of trying to hold it while also keeping my finger/thumb on the Home button to let it authorize when it recognizes the NFC terminal.
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Apples press release based on actual statistics from their own internal testing.
Funny how you ignore what Apple says about FaceID vs TouchID (and FaceID being more secure) yet want to take what Phil said about passcodes as being true. So what, Apple only tells the truth when it suits you and is lying when it doesn't?
You never gave real world examples. People performing "scams" is not "real world" nor is it representative of how FaceID actually works. You want to provide a link to any actual scientific study to back up your claims?
Btw... I wonder why Apple doesn't put its Face ID in their fancy stand-alone monitors. They never lay flat.
that would raise the price of the 6k to 15k
I live in Canada, like you.
Like I said, Face ID does indeed work for Apple Pay. If you like it that's fine, but the point is a lot of people prefer Touch ID for Apple Pay over Face ID for Apple Pay.
When Touch ID works well (like with recent iOS versions on the later Touch ID 2 hardware), Apple Pay with Touch ID also works well, without having to pre-authenticate. In fact, you've just highlighted the issue here. Face ID - Pre-authenticate. Touch ID - No need to pre-authenticate.
BTW, yes you can pre-authenticate with Touch ID too, but a lot of people don't like doing that because it represents extra annoying steps. I personally never pre-authenticate with Touch ID. I tried that for while actually just to test it out, and I didn't like it.
You keep effectively contracting yourself.
I gave real world examples including twins, and you claim they are scams, yet gloss over the fact that Apple itself acknowledges this is a real-world issue. I guess Apple confirming this is also a scam.
Congrats on continuing to dig your own hole even deeper.
no.. my argument is that the odds of a security breach under the conditions you’ve outlined is so incredibly rare that it’s a non-issue.
like— there’s has probably never been nor will there be a problematic breach of security ala your argument.. so what are you even arguing it for?
huh? i didn’t make any claim about FaceID/Applepay..
go back and look.. i said it’s the better method regardless of FaceID or TouchID or passcode..
but for real.. do what you want.. i don’t care in this context.. i don’t feel like you’re open to listening anyway.. again, if you use the MTA at some point though, please just humor me and use my wrong technique