Neither Beats or Bose have "great sound" and I should know i'm a mix engineer, my entire job involves me listening to sound at an impeccably detailed level every day of my job, maybe try a real brand such as Adam in the future and you'll be blown away.
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Apple Reportedly Preparing to Remove Bose Audio Products From Retail Stores
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Neither Beats or Bose have "great sound" and I should know i'm a mix engineer, my entire job involves me listening to sound at an impeccably detailed level every day of my job, maybe try a real brand such as Adam in the future and you'll be blown away.
Meh, I'm not sure why anyone would buy accessories at the Apple Store, let alone Bose in the first place. They usually sell everything at practically list price anyway.
Yet another move in Apple's transformation to Big Brother of 1984.
We thought they were advertising 1984 as a bad thing, but it was really a peek into Apple's future.
I don't buy either brand due to it's low value and high price.
No highs? No Lows? Must be Bose!
We thought they were advertising 1984 as a bad thing, but it was really a peek into Apple's future.
I don't buy either brand due to it's low value and high price.
No highs? No Lows? Must be Bose!
Beats are crap. But hey that was beforebought it. Since the takeover, beats have moved on to being a decent pair of headphones
Oh boy...
Bose are a bunch of morons. When the players all start wearing Beats and taking the fines (like Colin K)--its the worst type of buzz they can get. You can just see the idiot at Bose who had the idea of paying the NFL to endorse them wetting his (or her) pants over this.
What is it with the NFL? Surface (which the coaches call the iPad). Bose (which the players openly diss and take the fines to wear Bose)? On top of all the crap happening with their players?
Ouch.
What is it with the NFL? Surface (which the coaches call the iPad). Bose (which the players openly diss and take the fines to wear Bose)? On top of all the crap happening with their players?
Ouch.
What debacle? The BOSE deal is no different form any other product deal with a sports team or event. Apple sponsored events don't have MS products on display either. Apple may decide it wants to feature Beats now but to pull BOSE simply because of the NFL deal would be a stupid move; and apple wis many things but stupid isn't one of them.
I'll buy Bose Head Phones and Speakers all day over that Beats Crappola, Sorry Timmy(Cook), as a loyal Apple Customer, it still bothers me you purchased Beats for over 3 Billion, I just don't see the sense of it.... I sure in the hell know SJ would of never done that!
More than likely for the music side of it and Beats' relationships with the copyright owners. Headphones are just a nice addition.
While I don't disagree that there are high profile screwups but still get big dollars for their own field performance; but that is true any any business. Athletes are in the entertainment business; and as long as people pay to watch them and buy products they endorse they will get top dollar and deservedly so. The are simply being rewarded based on their value to the company, just as any other employee.
Very odd. I'm with the others on here that believe the target demographics are different for these brands. They should be able to live in the same retail environment.
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The fact that professional sports are a monopoly, their salaries and even concessions should be legislated to be a more reasonable amounts.
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The fact that professional sports are a monopoly, their salaries and even concessions should be legislated to be a more reasonable amounts.
I only reason I brought up the professional audio world is because, while us audio professionals are ALSO consumers - we just know from experience and expertise that we are getting a very low grade audio product when we look at Beats or Bose.
Consumers have little these days to educate themselves on and even fewer places to check out products from various brands. People defending those products as "great audio" is proof of that.
A debate on why professionals use NS-10s is really missing the point. But since we are on the topic - I worked with a lot of different mixers on a lot of different mixes of popular music from Rock to Hip Hop to Pop, in the 90s and 2000s. If you asked 10 different big mixers in 1998 about why they use NS-10s they would give you different answers, to a degree, and maybe one would say "I dont" - but yes, some of it had to do with having a more "average" sounding speaker that was "relatively" flat in freq response (relatively being the key word) to represent how things would sound in the average home - as opposed to the other speakers in the studio that cost thousands and didnt represent what anyone had.
But you are both missing one of the main reasons NS-10s became so common everywhere was ALSO just so mixers working at various studios always had a common reference point they were familiar with. If there was a different "average sounding" speaker in every studio - they wouldnt be familiar with what they were listening to. NS10s were common because mixers KNEW how they should sound, everywhere they went. I knew one great mixer who brought in his own pair with a matched Sub and he prominently mixed loud noisy guitar music on them. And yes, compared to other speakers typically found in studios - they didnt sound that good, but to say they are JUNK - well its all relative right? Mixers also brought in various other speaker pairs they wanted to also mix on, I saw anything and everything pumping audio carefully balanced on the meter bridge of the console next to the burning candles. I went into their cars to do the "car listen" and I even knew a very big mixer who started doing the FM freq thing and broadcasting it from the mixing room to his FM stereo in his car - and we would do a listen like that too. Of course - it sounded like crap. And I DID see some mixers that spend a few hours of the day mixing on headphones as well despite a claim made here. Most common brands were Fostex, AKG and Sony for any headphone use in the studios. Usually if they brought in their own - it was a Sony pair. I think I knew of one guy that brought in a pair of Sennheisers.
But enough of that...
Bose and Beats has clearly done a FANTASTIC job marketing a mediocre product to consumers considering there truly are people here that
1. Are defending either as a "great audio product" and
2. Seem to think there is little out there other than those 2 brands to consider.
And now that apple bought Beats - it will further make average consumers THINK that it is a great product COMPARED to others. But my question was "compared to what?"
Compared to the iphone speaker - sure. Compared to all the other brands they get to try out in the box stores? Oh yeah - what other brands?
And thats really my point - these companies have given uneducated consumers little else to think about - and compared to NOTHING - sure they sound great.
Now we could argue forever what makes a "Great product" - as half the teenagers (and many adults too) out there just want whatever all the other "cool" people they know have - and know little about good audio. I mean, teenagers drop their iphones in a glass (I just learned about this) and listen to a badly compressed version of a song coming out of an iphone speaker and call it "great sounding".
I simply wanted to give my 2 cents and say that there is a reason that most audio professionals would never buy Bose and likely not Beats either, and average consumers should consider that if they are seeking out the best audio product for any given price. Its not to say we can all afford such expensive speakers. Not at all. I simply was saying - FOR THE PRICE POINT, there is better stuff out there for more accurately producing good sound - but its not as easy to find perhaps - its not in every store, and it doesn't have a prominent well placed in your face all the time "advertisement", like being placed movies like Transformers 4 and the backing of a big Hip Hop producer or large displays at Costco where you can test out the speakers and compare them against... well against NOTHING.
Its real smart on Bose's part - cause I remember when Costco DID carry a few diff brands of speaker systems, and I don't see it anymore, and the Bose displays are bigger than ever. If consumers don't see any options, well they tend to not think there ARE other options. The fact that some here seem to act like its all about either Beats or Bose is amazing to me - but then I look around at what exists in store options these days for such products, and then what is IN those stores, and I see whats happened. Its too bad.
Its simple really, if you want better audio for your money, you will look a little harder than the brand or two the apple store carries. If you want to be slave to heavy marketing genius designed to get the most profit from the masses they can then keep buying this crap. Any speaker will sound better than NO speaker. I dont expect EVERY average consumer to care about quality audio, but in general I am a person that wants to get the most and best for my hard earned money no matter what I am buying, and Beats and Bose are simply not that in the world of speakers. Unfortunately, most people know very little about that world. Not that you learn much shopping from a store that wants to sell its own brands.
*disclaimer, I did not see Transformers, but I HEARD Beats had a huge blatantly placed ad for a pill type speaker in it. You couldn't pay me to watch that crap.
Really? A manufacture exclusively selling their own product in their own store is anti-consumer anti-choice?
Do you see Bose selling Apple or other brand speakers in their stores?
Is Sony selling X-boxes in theirs?
Do you go to a Ford dealer to buy a Toyota?
what world do you live on?
I doubt anyone is defending Beats or Bose as "great audio". They are marketing gimmicks.
I personally swear by B&W and I know music pros who use those.
Also Sennheisers are considered excellent.
If I want cool headphones with good sound for a cheap price I'd get skullcandy.
bought beats for the marketing value and the new concept of streaming instead of buying.Noone buys Beats for their sound quality, but because they are in fashion amongst kids.
In my opinion they are a bizare rip-off.
Bose and Beats are both low-fi, wannabe stylish brands that are grossly overpriced for the sound and build quality they offer.
Want an inexpensive headphone that sounds instantly and obviously better than anything made by Bose or Beats? Try the Grado SR-80e. $99 at Amazon. Want something even better? Try the 325e for $295. Want one of the ultimate headphones? Try the Stax SR-009 for ~$3900.00.
And there are plenty of others - those are just a few examples of 'phones that provide substantially better sound for less but that don't have the marketing power of Bose or Beats behind them. The world would be a better place if Joe Grado had been able to market the SR-60/80/etc. as strongly as Bose and Beats do.
Frankly, Apple removing Bose makes me like Apple just a little bit more.
Want an inexpensive headphone that sounds instantly and obviously better than anything made by Bose or Beats? Try the Grado SR-80e. $99 at Amazon. Want something even better? Try the 325e for $295. Want one of the ultimate headphones? Try the Stax SR-009 for ~$3900.00.
And there are plenty of others - those are just a few examples of 'phones that provide substantially better sound for less but that don't have the marketing power of Bose or Beats behind them. The world would be a better place if Joe Grado had been able to market the SR-60/80/etc. as strongly as Bose and Beats do.
Frankly, Apple removing Bose makes me like Apple just a little bit more.
I doubt anyone is defending Beats or Bose as "great audio". They are marketing gimmicks.
I personally swear by B&W and I know music pros who use those.
Also Sennheisers are considered excellent.
If I want cool headphones with good sound for a cheap price I'd get skullcandy.
Noone buys Beats for their sound quality, but because they are in fashion amongst kids.
In my opinion they are a bizare rip-off.
I used to own a pair of B&W 802 speakers back in the 90's. My tastes in speakers has changed. I also check to see what B&W is doing from time and time and they have changed their "sound' over the past 20 years. I've heard their headphones, I wasn't that impressed by them, but then again, I'm not impressed with Beats or Bose either. The problem with these speaker mfg that do ultra high end to low end for the average consumer is that it's difficult to design a cost no object product and then switch to a designing a product within a certain price range. The mentality of the engineer has to change because they simply have set requirements on the price which prevents them from using materials, etc. that are more costly. I know some of them TRY to bring down the technology from their high end products down the economic food chain, but many times they simply can't. it's just cost prohibitive.
I just hate the two companies that spend the most amount of money in marketing getting attention when they don't have the best sounding products. What both companies are doing is brainwashing kids into thinking these companies make great audio equipment, when in fact, they aren't.
Yeah, it's kind of frustrating trying to talk sense into some teenager or young adult that got brainwashed into thinking that Beats and Bose are great products when they don't even listen to anything else. It's kind of like trying to explain to a teenager that justin bieber really can't sing well and his voice is altered on all of his recordings through the use of pitch correction because he simply lacks the technical ability to sing on pitch. Something that good singers should be able to do, but obviously that's not a requirement for teenage idols and kids. They just want to be part of a fad that's popular because teenagers are more into the latest fad and to them it's popularity contest above substance. Oh well.
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Yeah, i know the laundry list of excuses recoding engineers and producers give for using NS-10's. One thing I will tell you, I have less respect for engineers that are involved with "produced" recordings vs "performance" based recordings more and more. why? Because I am getting to the point where i hate processed music where they simply don't care about the sound quality. Because the majority of "produced" music sounds like crap on a good stereo. It's frustrating to hear distortion when it's not necessary, it's frustrating to listen to an artist and instead of them using a real grand piano that's well miked, they use a sampled version of a grand piano and I can tell the difference. I hate listening to processed drums, I hate listening to vocals that have been altered, more and more "produced" recordings are just crap and that's what's going on in the music industry. More crap and no concern for sound quality. I consider more and more of the pop music being released simply as expensive demos that should have never been released in the first place. There is simply no excuse for some of the crap that's on the market. A great singer singing to tracks that are simply drum machines. Come on, seriously, drum machines have been over used to death and for some recordings, it just sounds like total crap. Sometimes I don't mind it, because the music is electronic dance music and it doesn't matter as much, but when I listen to a what's supposed to be a really great singer, there is nothing worse than listening to a really good singer singing to what I consider demo music. No excuse for that. They should be using live musicians in a performance that is well recorded rather than just sticking the singer in a vocal booth singing to demo tracks. NO excuse for that. And they wonder why the music industry CD sales are dropping.
The Polish the Turd mentality is more and more prevalent now than ever. Why? Because it's generally accepted method of producing "pop" music. The generation of producers growing up aren't classically trained musicians like the George Martins of the world, they are the Dr. Dres of the world, which are people that couldn't play a musical instrument to save his life and they are the people that are producing, writing and creating a lot of the crap that gets sold to unsuspecting kids. Oh well, I'm glad I'm not a kid growing up in this age of music. I'm glad I had parents that introduced me to classical music and told me to seek what is high quality rather than what is the most popular and taught me the difference between what's popular and what's high quality because the two rarely are the same.
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Dunno about 'old' person, but I'm certainly middle-aged, and I do have reduced quality audio equipment not so much wow and flutter, more eh and stutter. I'm good value for money, though ;-)
I could not agree with you more, and the fact is the actual look of some bose products is genuinely awful; take these for example, they look exactly like the cheap, cruddy beige headphones that would be sold in a weird computer corner store in the mid nineties.
I own neither Beats nor Bose equipment.
My first impression of Beats, when I saw someone wear the headphones, long ago, was 'tacky'.
Then when I saw the Pill, marketed, I thought even worse of the brand and marketing.
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Why can't people buy what they want and what they like, why must it always be, bose and beats are terrible, buy this or buy that and as a professional in sound whatever, i think everyone should get x, y or z. Get over yourselves!
People have differing tastes, yes some people prefer differing brands to others, some may choose because it's fashionable, but jesus, this is an apple forum, we're probably the worst offenders of brand snobbishness there is!
How many of you people out there have an iphone - where another phone is probably as good as it, how many have an ipad when other tablets may be more productive, how many macs are there running boot camp/parallels etc because just sometimes you need a windows machine and how many poeple will go out and get anwatch when actually a pebble or even a standard watch may be all you require.
Let beats people buy beats, let bose fans buy bose, and let 'audiophiles' (a term i personally hate)buy whatever they want. Me personally have bose gear, I love my QC15's and my AE2s are nice and comfy and my new soundtrue in ear's are the best fitting in ear headphones ive ever had, I have beats tours and they hurt my ears, i've tried beats solos and felt my head was in a vice, and i've tried others but my preference has gone to bose.
My personal taste, not everyone elses, here's a tip try as many as you want then choose what YOU prefer and don't listen to the snobs, heck don't listen to me, i talk bulls**t!
People have differing tastes, yes some people prefer differing brands to others, some may choose because it's fashionable, but jesus, this is an apple forum, we're probably the worst offenders of brand snobbishness there is!
How many of you people out there have an iphone - where another phone is probably as good as it, how many have an ipad when other tablets may be more productive, how many macs are there running boot camp/parallels etc because just sometimes you need a windows machine and how many poeple will go out and get an
watch when actually a pebble or even a standard watch may be all you require.Let beats people buy beats, let bose fans buy bose, and let 'audiophiles' (a term i personally hate)buy whatever they want. Me personally have bose gear, I love my QC15's and my AE2s are nice and comfy and my new soundtrue in ear's are the best fitting in ear headphones ive ever had, I have beats tours and they hurt my ears, i've tried beats solos and felt my head was in a vice, and i've tried others but my preference has gone to bose.
My personal taste, not everyone elses, here's a tip try as many as you want then choose what YOU prefer and don't listen to the snobs, heck don't listen to me, i talk bulls**t!
Just business as usual for Apple isn't it
Apple doesn't wanna just be like everyone one else and say "We'll leave em in store until they sell out."
No that's not good enough, they need to remove stuff themselves because Bose are no longer needed.
"ok, but what abut those customers who are looking for Bose. ?"
Apple just lost those customers...
Seems allot to acquiring going on as of last... twice in the same year seems kind of usual.
Apple doesn't wanna just be like everyone one else and say "We'll leave em in store until they sell out."
No that's not good enough, they need to remove stuff themselves because Bose are no longer needed.
"ok, but what abut those customers who are looking for Bose. ?"
Apple just lost those customers...
Seems allot to acquiring going on as of last... twice in the same year seems kind of usual.
That Bose mini-soundlink pictured sounds infinitely better than the Beats pill. I hope Apple ups the quality on Beats soon.
While the looks of the products is up to preference, how the audio sounds should not be. Bose sounds better.
While the looks of the products is up to preference, how the audio sounds should not be. Bose sounds better.
so you are confirming that they are removing all non apple products from the stores?
considering the examples at the end of your post i assume its hard for you to understand but to remove one of the biggest selling accessory maker from your store is anti choice.
the apple store has never and probably will never be exclusively just for apple labelled products.