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"A banner at the top of its website advertises the iPhone XR "from $449," but with an asterisk, as that price requires trading in an iPhone 7 Plus for a $300 credit as part of a limited time promotion rarely seen from Apple." - I would never have expected this approach from Apple, now its like any other company. I'm one of those who believes Tim Cook's time is up, and should leave.
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I have been purchasing Apple products since 2006. They were always expensive compared to the competition, and I have always known it. Even though my earnings have quadrupled since 2006, Apple has managed to somehow price me out.

I am not getting my phone on a 0% interest loan. Not sure how they got the iMac up to $5000. Did we pay that much for new technology before? We didn’t if you are wondering. The kicker is the fact that the price never comes down, even when the new tech is years old now. You either pay top dollar for old tech, or wait to pay top dollar for the new version they release. Then we have what I call the Mac Mini special; you sell old tech at top dollar, build up demand, then raise the price exponentially on the new version. The justification is because it has new technology in it.
 
Instead of throwing more heads at the symptom, fix the cause: These phones are way too expensive.

After AppleCare+ and taxes my iPhone XS Max 512 cost nearly $2000, which is simply ridiculous.
I could never bring myself to pay $2k for a phone. I could barely stomach paying the $1260 I did for my iPhone X a year ago. But Face ID has been very good compared to Touch ID. Like a lot of people are saying, the X is an outstanding phone and I hope I get at a minimum 3 years out of it...that would avg about $400 a year I spend on phones. But also hoping the next time I upgrade, something like the xr is still out there and at a decent price. I don’t think I’ll ever spend $1k again on a smart phone. $800 max
 
Umm, they are more than other companies these days. Edge to Edge screen (who started the notch and everyone copied?), faceid that is more secure with that 3d camera. No one else does it that way. iPad with 120hz screen, first to do that. First to have a watch that does EKG. Enough said.

Who started Notch? Not Apple. It was essential phone. 120Hz screen has been in gaming laptops, TVs etc for long time, FaceID is a joke. It fails half time with my XR (Returned within few days. Apple is completely not innovative
 
Who started Notch? Not Apple. It was essential phone. 120Hz screen has been in gaming laptops, TVs etc for long time, FaceID is a joke. It fails half time with my XR (Returned within few days. Apple is completely not innovative
(Can't even believe we have to debate this) This is a factoid. in fact it's not even a factoid, it's FUD. It's FUD because the essential phone was released in August, 2017. Essential didn't pioneer the notch, it pioneered the circle and was released a month prior to the X. And you're right about zero innovation in the smartphone sector as all of the ideas that are copied by apple and the various android manufacturers have already been done in some way shape or form.

Regarding FaceId, it's your anecdotal experience and because for you it doesn't work, apple isn't innovative? Is that the benchmark of innovation? Whether something works for you or not?
 
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Who started Notch? Not Apple. It was essential phone. 120Hz screen has been in gaming laptops, TVs etc for long time, FaceID is a joke. It fails half time with my XR (Returned within few days. Apple is completely not innovative

Again, there has been no 120hz screen in a tablet. That is not a laptop. Face ID is not a joke. Great opinion you have that doesn't equal fact. Mine works all the time. Once I learned to not have it so close to my face when I lay in bed, it never fails.

Maybe you are on the wrong forum them since you like to bash Apple.
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(Can't even believe we have to debate this) This is a factoid. in fact it's not even a factoid, it's FUD. It's FUD because the essential phone was released in August, 2017. Essential didn't pioneer the notch, it pioneered the circle and was released a month prior to the X. And you're right about zero innovation in the smartphone sector as all of the ideas that are copied by apple and the various android manufacturers have already been done in some way shape or form.

Regarding FaceId, it's your anecdotal experience and because for you it doesn't work, apple isn't innovative? Is that the benchmark of innovation? Whether something works for you or not?

Yep, and didn't apple release designs out and leaks way before that phone anyways? lol
 
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An Xr for $699 would kill it.

I have the Xs Max and and kicking myself and wish I had purchased the Xr, at $300 less. There is nowhere near $300 of value in the XS max over the Xr.
 
And yet I just read a thread here at MR dated oct 31st where Apple was throttling phones again specifically the x and 8 series over batteries. Really why doesn't android have to throttle phones?

You misread the article. It didn’t say they were, it said they put the option for the phone to do it if the battery was messing up. And a lot of Android phones under those circumstances would just let the phone turn itself off. Is that the better solution to you?
 
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That's me as well. When my iPhone X went hundreds over $1K with sales tax and AppleCare, I decided right then I wouldn't upgrade for two years. And if Apple continues raising the prices on these phones instead of following their time-honored business model of holding the price line while providing more features on subsequent non-major-year upgrades, I'll hang on to my iPhone X for three years.

I think the Xr is nicer than the X, i really miss the larger screen. The Xr at $800 with 128gb is a solid value.
 
Who started Notch? Not Apple. It was essential phone. 120Hz screen has been in gaming laptops, TVs etc for long time, FaceID is a joke. It fails half time with my XR (Returned within few days. Apple is completely not innovative

You guys start with this BS 'EVERY' single time apple brings out a feature that you mock, that then ends up being a success. Everything then becomes a case of apple apparently copying some specific failed android handset from yesteryear, that had a 1/4-baked version.
 
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"A banner at the top of its website advertises the iPhone XR "from $449," but with an asterisk, as that price requires trading in an iPhone 7 Plus for a $300 credit as part of a limited time promotion rarely seen from Apple." - I would never have expected this approach from Apple, now its like any other company. I'm one of those who believes Tim Cook's time is up, and should leave.

Being a Boutique brand they would never do that............some of the new marketing people came from the car business
 
An Xr for $699 would kill it.

I have the Xs Max and and kicking myself and wish I had purchased the Xr, at $300 less. There is nowhere near $300 of value in the XS max over the Xr.

The Max really isn't worth it at all. Its funny how apple stores dont place the Xr near the Xmax so folks cant directly compare them.
 
And yet I just read a thread here at MR dated oct 31st where Apple was throttling phones again specifically the x and 8 series over batteries. Really why doesn't android have to throttle phones?

Are you freakin kidding me. My note 4 had chewed through 6 batteries to date and would then bootloop at the 50% mark, until the battery was drained. The best is when it did this overseas, when I was on holiday.

Unlike Apple, do you think I could get yet another replacement battery. Of course not, as CrapSung had stopped manufacturing official batteries, not even a year after launch. Basically the same year they also stopped supporting any software updates for the flagship android handset of 2014. Last time I checked, a iphone 5s released a full year prior just got the latest ios12, versus the 6.0.1 the Note 4 ended up being stuck on.

Here is the real kicker. I upgraded my iphone 6s plus battery the other day and it was still with its original battery and had over 683 charges and was still at 84% capacity. Again, the note 4 with its revered replaceable POS battery was on its 6th battery.
 
I bought an XS Max on launch day. I really didn't want to but my trusty 128GB 6+ was finally showing its age. I loved that phone. Was hoping to make it to five years with that thing. Replaced the battery this spring.

It is now enshrined on permanent display on my shelf. Amazing phone.
 
The Max really isn't worth it at all. Its funny how apple stores dont place the Xr near the Xmax so folks cant directly compare them.

I think I would regret hep C less than I have getting the XS max over the Xr. Every time I see or use a family member's Xr, I love it.

Ooh boy! I hope they're H1B marketing staff. That would be kickass funny!

Nah. Companies can't pretend (i.e bs) that they "cannot find the skills" within any western country, apparently, like they do with tech and h1b.
 
You guys start with this BS 'EVERY' single time apple brings out a feature that you mock, that then ends up being a success. Everything then becomes a case of apple apparently copying some specific failed android handset from yesteryear, that had a 1/4-baked version.

So you mean OLED was 1/4 baked version, you mean wireless charging was 1/4 baked version, you mean dual camera was 1/4 baked version. You are funny. Apple just keep copying and people still think Apple was the responseable for all these features.
 
An Xr for $699 would kill it.

I have the Xs Max and and kicking myself and wish I had purchased the Xr, at $300 less. There is nowhere near $300 of value in the XS max over the Xr.

Since the specs are too close to one another, blame Apple for that one.
 
So you mean OLED was 1/4 baked version, you mean wireless charging was 1/4 baked version, you mean dual camera was 1/4 baked version. You are funny. Apple just keep copying and people still think Apple was the responseable for all these features.

They're not android features, they're features that were developed by other chipset manufacturers. Android fanboys just like to pretend that they invented them all, but claim apple users do this.

I am talking about features such as the notch, which android users ridiculed extensively, yet every second android phone has now.

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Since the specs are too close to one another, blame Apple for that one.

Xr is a great phone and at ~$699 USD, it would sell well globally. $749 is not bad but $699 would have made it a killer deal. Xs and the XS Max are way overpriced.
 
It's amazing how many are still in denial about what a flop the new phones are. People are sending a message with their power to purchase, or not to purchase. Apple needs to get off the Greed Wagon and release a simplified iPhone that runs iOS well for a $599 starting point. Boot the Face ID crap and go to Touch ID under glass. :apple:
There’s really no evidence to support this (yet). But I selfishly like the product idea! No chance though.
 
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Wait a minute! Tim himself announced that the new iPhones XS and XR are best ever made, wasn't that enough to make it the best selling ever?
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they are the best iphone xs and iphone xr ever made...
and is true because before there wasnt any iphone xs or iphone xr :D
 
It's amazing how many are still in denial about what a flop the new phones are. People are sending a message with their power to purchase, or not to purchase. Apple needs to get off the Greed Wagon and release a simplified iPhone that runs iOS well for a $599 starting point. Boot the Face ID crap and go to Touch ID under glass. :apple:

They're not a flop, they're just expensive as ----. I bought an Xs max and cry about it every single day. hahahaha

Not going to android again, where I will get maybe an update or two, waiting up to a year after Google releases it and then basically no support from the manufacturer. I have 4 android devices that are only x years old but are stuck on legacy versions of their OS.

The only operating systems that to this date I loved as much if not more than IOS was the Windows phone. NOTHING comes close to functionality of Live Tiles and the smoothness of the OS.
 
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