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Apple Reportedly Suspends Work on Vision Pro 2
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Nope. That isn’t how it works. Products only continue in development if there’s demand for them. Otherwise they’re canceled or fade away. These tech companies aren’t charities. They need to make products that make money.
Man you're twisting in the wind hard to justify Apple putting 60hz screens—regardless of their capability—in premium-priced phones and tablets.
Spatial computing refers to AR, as in computing the position of objects in relation to the space around the viewer in real time. The true benefits of it still aren't here so that's a major hurdle for the entire project.
Or I'm explaining the actual reality of what is in these devices...which has nothing to do with justifying anything at all.
Spatial computing, in the case of Apple, is marketing. Nothing more.
They should exhibit "courage" and make it with plastic. Cheaper. Lighter. Just call it Magic Plastic or something. BOOM!
Except that there can’t really be a “headphone for your eyes.” The concept is interesting but not really valid from a practical perspective. Replicating sound is easy. You can do it with a device the size of a fingernail. Replicating the visual world is exceptionally hard. It requires hardware that can not and will not ever replicate your eyes.
It's a marketing term for a suite of hardware and software, yes. Nothing more except for the purpose of the entire project.
I wrote this a few days ago. It makes sense.
Maybe 3 years from now million people, at most, will be able to use their iPhones to look into Apple Vision instances via SharePlay, either in person or remotely. This will quickly bring VisionOS interaction to the forefront, ironically powered by the "AI for the rest of us" through the new Siri, which most people won't even get to try for another few years. It's about this long—until Apple Vision, powered by Apple Intelligence, with a smaller Vision device in a high-end iPhone price range, increasingly becoming accessible to millions and millions. Apple is only just getting . This will be the final piece in the puzzle of Apple wearables and will go down in history as one of the greatest engineering feats (both socially and technically) and will be studied for decades, or until superintelligence emerges, whichever comes first (I'm guessing it will be close).
Also, note that using an iPhone will allow people to play games and engage in other interactions either in person or with others in different locations, effectively bringing a whole new window into your world. Current FaceTime windows will appear magically as more realistic views into the world of a VisionOS user. When I was FaceTiming @Bowdizz9, it kept messing with my mind that he couldn’t see the world I was seeing, with all my windows and even the people in my room. This will soon be possible.
Maybe 3 years from now million people, at most, will be able to use their iPhones to look into Apple Vision instances via SharePlay, either in person or remotely. This will quickly bring VisionOS interaction to the forefront, ironically powered by the "AI for the rest of us" through the new Siri, which most people won't even get to try for another few years. It's about this long—until Apple Vision, powered by Apple Intelligence, with a smaller Vision device in a high-end iPhone price range, increasingly becoming accessible to millions and millions. Apple is only just getting . This will be the final piece in the puzzle of Apple wearables and will go down in history as one of the greatest engineering feats (both socially and technically) and will be studied for decades, or until superintelligence emerges, whichever comes first (I'm guessing it will be close).
Also, note that using an iPhone will allow people to play games and engage in other interactions either in person or with others in different locations, effectively bringing a whole new window into your world. Current FaceTime windows will appear magically as more realistic views into the world of a VisionOS user. When I was FaceTiming @Bowdizz9, it kept messing with my mind that he couldn’t see the world I was seeing, with all my windows and even the people in my room. This will soon be possible.
But is this a product you want if the specs are quest 3 like for 1500? Still no games. It’s entirely about video consumption. Except it’s not 4k anymore. No oled.
Sure it does. Someone argued that they hoped Apple wouldn't cheap on screens. And here I'm pointing out that Apple does indeed cheap on screens in most of their products, and therefore may do so again in a "cheaper" AVP. Whether it's because the screens don't support 120hz or they don't enable 120hz is completely immaterial. Apple bifurcates consumer and "pro" levels by cheapening screens, full stop. Arguing as a positive that a screen can do something that I, as a consumer, have no access to, is straight up apologist behavior.
Long-term ROI. Doing the work now puts Apple in a great position to patent technologies, establish manufacturing protocols, and prepare for next-gen technologies as well as demand at lower price points like, let's be honest, porn.
The specs will not be quest 3 like for $1500. Maybe the "features" will be quest 3 like. Video consumption is the entertainment aspect of the device, yes - but that's definitely not the goal for the device.
I think people forget that the og apple watch was considered a failure. When you look back it lacked key features at launch like being water proof and gps for runs. It was also the first watch that wasn't on a yearly refresh cycle. The larger model (the one I get) cost $400 starting. If I'm not mistaken, the series 1 launch had a price reduction starting at $300 for the larger model. It had a 25% price cut, and added tons of requested features.
Perhaps looking at the launch of the vision pro in a similar way, the 2nd gen vision pro may get a sizable price cut and add features that are being currently tweaked. I dunno, based on history, I doubt they'd abandon this, seeing as it's still launching in many countries world wide.
Perhaps looking at the launch of the vision pro in a similar way, the 2nd gen vision pro may get a sizable price cut and add features that are being currently tweaked. I dunno, based on history, I doubt they'd abandon this, seeing as it's still launching in many countries world wide.
Exactly, just like the first watch was considered a failure only selling about a quarter of projections until future models were lower in price and included extra features.
And yet, they are paying more for these than those screens with 120hz in other phones. Therefore they aren't cheaper. I don't care if you think it's apologist behavior to point out where your statement is wrong, that's reality...sorry.
Sure. But that isn’t what Vision is positioned as. If it was just a cinema screen that you wear on your face it could be priced below 1k, not have a battery pack, eliminate all the external camera and emitters, dump the EyeSight screen and so on. But then it wouldn’t be Vision.
Again, sure, but there’s no evidence that this system can replace a laptop in any significant or meaningful way. A laptop still has the more ideal form factor for the type of work you do on it.
Unreal. So you believe a screen that supports 120hz but only displays 60hz and a screen that supports 120hz and displays 120hz are the same to the consumer? And we should be happy that we get a 120hz screen even if it doesn't display 120hz? Since you're committed to correcting me, I thought I'd make sure I understand your water-carrying for Apple fully.
A cheaper version might make Apple more money. Eventually. At the very least, it would move more units than the current price point is moving. Twice as many units (to make up for any price deltas)? It's hard to say. But definitely more. And when launching a completely new platform, it would seem more units in-market would be an initial focus.
Even if this gets down to 500 I will never buy one and I cant be the only person. I just hate VR headsets and never feel good using them or coming out of them. Basically they chose to enter a market where a chunk of the population doesnt tolerate the device or have any interest in it. IMO they should just focus on products that have more universal appeal.
Stop everything AVP related now
So many other far more important areas to be allocating resources
So many other far more important areas to be allocating resources
No, I believe that a screen that costs more is not cheaper. In fact, that's just a fact, I don't have to believe it or like anyone over it. The concept that Apple cheaps out on screens when they've gone so far as to pay more just to fit their design like with the iPhone X using a flexible OLED to reduce bezel sizes is just wrong.
Your complaints are justified, you're just using the wrong words...and reacting defensively.
apple car and airpower didn’t get released. homepod gen 1 got released and followed by the mini and gen 2.
AVP was clearly going to be a failure once the product offering was known
Anyone paying even a modicum of attention to this space knew that, straight away.
It's really concerning that forces inside Apple didn't nuke this before it ever even saw the light of day.
All I can think is that Tim Cook personally pushed it out.
Anyone paying even a modicum of attention to this space knew that, straight away.
It's really concerning that forces inside Apple didn't nuke this before it ever even saw the light of day.
All I can think is that Tim Cook personally pushed it out.