Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Yes they can

Given that my girlfriend is a 3rd year med student and works for doctors who are already using iPads, my knowledge is a little more extensive than internet searches.

Your girlfriend is a third year medical student. Sorry, I didn't know you were the expert.

There are thousands of ways one can run a practice with a netbook. And one doesn't even need to buy overpriced software to do so. One can use the complexity of a netbook or MacBook to develop their own system. An iPad locks you into a rigid expensive path using only proprietary software.

The main issue I have is the bashing of netbooks. It still just a way of drawing away attention from Apple not wanting to make their own because it's too low a margin product.
 
No it's not.

Vaporware and references are not nearly enough to run a medical practice. Even your lame Google search says "there's no evidence of a surge of medical applications or adopters."

Yes it is. No it is not Vapor Ware. There are many Enterprise Apps not released in the App Store. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

The continued arrogance regarding lack of Flash Support is astounding. Maybe, over time, websites will abandon Flash, but at the moment, sorry Apple, Netbooks still have the Flash advantage.

Oh, by the way, Netbooks also have the COST advantage. It's ridiculous that the cheapest iPad is more expensive than most NetBooks.

I'm an :apple: lover, but I REFUSE to blindly accept whatever the executives say.

They sold 8.5million iPhones and I don't know how many iPod touches last quarter and not a one of them supported flash. These i devices make up over 60% of the mobile devices used on the Internet. Flash is a poorly written application that is somewhat functional under windows and somewhere between painful and completely non-functional on every other platform. Flash is not an advantage and netbooks do not do anything well.

They designed the iPad was designed to provide a superior web browsing experience and from my own personal experience and the experience of most reviewers, it appears they have succeeded. What does the netbook do better than other platforms?
 
The continued arrogance regarding lack of Flash Support is astounding.

Or maybe he's actually right. Smart money is on Apple.

It isn't arrogance, it's Apple controlling their destiny and assuming a leadership role.
 
Oh I agree 100% but sadly, most people on these forums fail to see this at all. *shrug*

I dont get it..... how is that sad? you know what is sad.... that there is no one that was as smart as steve and the team he has built around him. they have truly innovated mobile computing and communications to the cutting edge. if they top out and become the beast that they are poised to become it's the fault of everyone else not being as good or better. bill was top dog and still is in many respects but his company is stagnating in terms of producing something that people lust for. apple has cornered that market. all those companies are trying to copy apple now and are way behind. "joojoo vs ipad" is a good enough scenario to illustrate the industry. they try to do what apple has done and slap a gratuitous extra feature but it's too late and not better enough. Apple is crazy enough to go after things that are thought to be established and they do it better and take over. "iphone" is enough proof.
 
I know doctors who run practices on netbooks. No way they could do the same on an iPad.

A tiny amount of unbiased critical thinking would be very welcome.

OK, here you go:

Yes they can

Given that my girlfriend is a 3rd year med student and works for doctors who are already using iPads, my knowledge is a little more extensive than internet searches.

And it would be clearly shortsighted to believe that the iPad won't get even more capable in this regard in the near future. Remember we're still in the days of iPad software infancy.

If I were a doctor, I'd sure rather carry an iPad around all day than a netbook. But hey, use whatever you want. It's a free country. :)
 
Your girlfriend is a third year medical student. Sorry, I didn't know you were the expert.

There are thousands of ways one can run a practice with a netbook. And one doesn't even need to buy overpriced software to do so. One can use the complexity of a netbook or MacBook to develop their own system. An iPad locks you into a rigid expensive path using only proprietary software.

The main issue I have is the bashing of netbooks. It still just a way of drawing away attention from Apple not wanting to make their own because it's too low a margin product.

I didn't claim to be an expert. I just wanted to avoid you dismissing me like you did LTD. :rolleyes:

I wouldn't call a netbook complex. How many doctors do you know who write their own software solutions? Sure they can come up with alternative solutions, but I would be a majority go through some type of proprietary software solution.

The fact is you overstated the fact that iPads couldn't be used to run a practice. Simple as that.

If you like netbooks great, but Apple isn't going to make one and they instead offer an alternative. There is no attention being drawn anywhere. Apple has never been in the commodity computer business and to expect otherwise is silly.
 
Why does Apple keep on stubbornly suggesting that ending exclusivity in the U.S. won't increase sales and penetration of the iPhone? The question he should answer is: which market where Apple went multi-carrier hasn't led to increased sales? The answer: none. The onus is on him to provide evidence that exclusivity in the U.S. is better for Apple because all the evidence that's available is to the contrary.
 
There are thousands of ways one can run a practice with a netbook.

Oh, so now we've gone from "You can't do this on an iPad" to "You can do it in more ways on a netbook." :rolleyes:

And one doesn't even need to buy overpriced software to do so. One can use the complexity of a netbook or MacBook to develop their own system.

Yeah, developing your own system to run a medical practice is such a great value proposition. :rolleyes: I know if I were a heart surgeon I'd much rather spend my evenings trying to cobble up my own software solution rather than just buy something that works off the shelf.

The main issue I have is the bashing of netbooks. It still just a way of drawing away attention from Apple not wanting to make their own because it's too low a margin product.

Apple has been perfectly upfront about their unwillingness to enter the scrap-margin netbook market. Seems like a perfectly valid business decision to me.
 
I didn't claim to be an expert. I just wanted to avoid you dismissing me like you did LTD. :rolleyes:

I wouldn't call a netbook complex. How many doctors do you know who write their own software solutions? Sure they can come up with alternative solutions, but I would be a majority go through some type of proprietary software solution.

The fact is you overstated the fact that iPads couldn't be used to run a practice. Simple as that.

If you like netbooks great, but Apple isn't going to make one and they instead offer an alternative. There is no attention being drawn anywhere. Apple has never been in the commodity computer business and to expect otherwise is silly.

LTD is dismissible :rolleyes:

I said that iPad 1.0 isn't capable. I guess that's arguable but in my opinion it's just not ready.

One doesn't need to run a practice using proprietary software and one doesn't have to know how to code. Existing programs, even Word, can be used.

The usefulness of the EMR is debatable and another humongous topic. The output is pretty but often clinically useless. But again, that's another topic.
 
It's a no-brainer that someone would opt for the iPad over the netbook. The netbook doesn't do anything well.

Really not true at all. And almost hypocritical of them to say that. I am currently typing this on a MacBook Mini (HP Mini converted to 10.6) and it does wonderfully as a browsing computer. Does the OS overpower it sometimes? Yes but only because the build wasn't optimized for this platform and vice-versa. And it kinda hurts to hear Apple say that there is no market for this. I could practically GUARANTEE a large number of sales of a device such as mine constructed by Apple. Especially since they have primed the market for program/music downloads from iTunes and not off of a CD.

The hypocritical part, comes from the MBA. When you think about it, it IS a netbook. It just has some key program tricks to make it more like a regular laptop (being able to share a CD drive from a desktop). But the form factor and price are what keep it from being positioned as a true netbook.

Imagine if you will:
-A smaller MBA (10-11" screen)
-An OS that is a blend of a standard OSX build and an iPad/iPhone build (to optimize power consumption)
-About a 7-8 hour battery life
-Multi gesturing built into the trackpad (like all Apple laptops now)
-The ability to run both standard programs and iPad/iPhone built programs (you can do that now with the SKD)

All for a price point of about $700 USD.

Would you but it?
 
So if they're not released in the app store how is one supposed to use it on the iPad?

http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/Enterprise_Deployment_Guide.pdf

Please read all of chapter 5 if you are really curious. As I said you have no idea what you are talking about. Enterprises can develop, sign and internally distribute custom apps. You are trying to talk about business use of devices but you are handicapped because all of your knowledge is anecdotal and based on consumer experience.
I did ask ;)

But my point is that practice management software at this time is vaporware. It's vaporware until it's released.

No doubt someone will develop something but whether it's widely adopted is big question.

Seriously, you are simply in realm you do not understand. There are many applications you do not know how to buy, that does not mean it is not there. It is not vapor ware. You should really stop, because to anyone with healthcare IT experience, you look ridiculous.
 
Really not true at all. And almost hypocritical of them to say that. I am currently typing this on a MacBook Mini (HP Mini converted to 10.6) and it does wonderfully as a browsing computer. Does the OS overpower it sometimes? Yes but only because the build wasn't optimized for this platform and vice-versa. And it kinda hurts to hear Apple say that there is no market for this. I could practically GUARANTEE a large number of sales of a device such as mine constructed by Apple. Especially since they have primed the market for program/music downloads from iTunes and not off of a CD.

The hypocritical part, comes from the MBA. When you think about it, it IS a netbook. It just has some key program tricks to make it more like a regular laptop (being able to share a CD drive from a desktop). But the form factor and price are what keep it from being positioned as a true netbook.

Imagine if you will:
-A smaller MBA (10-11" screen)
-An OS that is a blend of a standard OSX build and an iPad/iPhone build (to optimize power consumption)
-About a 7-8 hour battery life
-Multi gesturing built into the trackpad (like all Apple laptops now)
-The ability to run both standard programs and iPad/iPhone built programs (you can do that now with the SKD)

All for a price point of about $700 USD.

Would you but it?

My point exactly - but expressed much better :D
 
I know doctors who run practices on netbooks. No way they could do the same on an iPad.

Yes, you're right.



And it would be clearly shortsighted to believe that the iPad won't get even more capable in this regard in the near future. Remember we're still in the days of iPad software infancy.

If I were a doctor, I'd sure rather carry an iPad around all day than a netbook. But hey, use whatever you want. It's a free country. :)

What would you use an iPad in the practice of medicine? I'm a doctor and have an iPad and I haven't figured that out yet. OTOH, I do often use a netbook, or more often a Fujitsu tablet because they will run the client that accesses the EHR. I can get a Mac to do that, but it requires hitting the VPN and running the software client off a Citrix desktop. It's cumbersome. Haven't been able to make the iPad do that yet, other than retrieving email, which I could do from Outlook Web Access anyway.

In order for a portable device to be useful in the practice of medicine, it has to be able to interface with the Electronic Health Record that that particular hospital or clinic uses. That's not going to be something as simple as an app, it would be a major, and very expensive, ground-up software effort.

Maybe in the future an iPad could be used to run a practice, or do something useful in the hospital. But not now.
 
The main issue I have is the bashing of netbooks. It still just a way of drawing away attention from Apple not wanting to make their own because it's too low a margin product.

The iPad draws attention toward itself. Whether that attention is in any way associated with netbooks is irrelevant. Apple is a company with a strategy that its customers are free to adopt or not. Same with netbooks.

While particular individuals may get more or less utility out of a netbook or a pad, in the overall sense utility is defined by customer count and time using the product.

Company performance is defined entirely by net profit and the size of the margin on that profit.

With those specified criterion, which is better?

Rocketman
 
What would you use an iPad in the practice of medicine? I'm a doctor and have an iPad and I haven't figured that out yet.

In order for a portable device to be useful in the practice of medicine, it has to be able to interface with the Electronic Health Record that that particular hospital or clinic uses. That's not going to be something as simple as an app, it would be a major, and very expensive, ground-up software effort.

...that will take longer than 17 days to implement. I don't know how the accounts of doctors using it now are working. Someone enlighten us.
 
Q: Does the iPad compete with netbooks?
A: It's a no-brainer that someone would opt for the iPad over the netbook. The netbook doesn't do anything well.

How completely ignorant. It's all the things a netbook can do that an iPad can't that are stopping me from buying one.

The netbook works so poorly in fact, that there's a whole community of people building "Hackintoshes" from PC netbooks, since Apple refuses to acknowledge the fact that there's an audience for a netbook-style computer. :rolleyes:
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.