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Apple doesn't, of course, report per-model iPhone unit sales.

That said, do you think Apple is actually lying in its earnings reports? Because, while we don't have per-model unit numbers, the numbers we do have point to Apple selling a lot of iPhone Xs. I don't know what all the evidence which you refer to, which supposedly points to the contrary of what he claims, is made up of. But, whatever it is, do you think he's actually lying in conference calls?

He can say what the hell he wants true or not, he doesn’t release sales figures to back it up, all he’s required to truthfully tell people are the earnings. So no I don’t believe him, not when share prices are dropping in its suppliers in the back of iPhone X part order cutbacks... according to endless reports in this site if nowhere else.

Do you live in a small town? I see people with X’s everyday. From teens to grandparents.

Nope, I just don’t love in America which seems to be the only place the X is selling successfully.
 
Interesting - their gross profit margin dropped by 1/2 a percent (18Q1: 23,422/61,137 for 38.3% compared to 17Q1: 20,591/52,896 for 38.9%)

I find that hard to believe given their bumped up margins on the iPhoneX - unless there's more returns or a lower mix in the iPhoneX in those numbers.
 
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If they come out with a new Mac every 5 years, well, then, what choice do we have? buy the same computer 5 times?

And btw, due to lack of innovation, more and more people use their phone for 3,4 5 years until the battery dies...

Lack of innovation, or simply the market maturing?

Seriously – there's not too much in the way of innovation that can be done with personal computers at this point. Or at least not enough to be able to radically innovate every year. For what the vast majority of people do, computers are fast enough, light enough, and durable enough to keep for a long time. Obviously, the Mac Pro is an exception and needs to be updated – which it will be, finally.

Smartphones are reaching the same point.

Services are the next market and that's where Apple is clearly going to invest.
 
Where are all the people who called the iPhone X a failure?

"Customers chose iPhone X more than any other iPhone each week in the March quarter, just as they did following its launch in the December quarter."
 
He can say what the hell he wants true or not, he doesn’t release sales figures to back it up, all he’s required to truthfully tell people are the earnings. So no I don’t believe him, not when share prices are dropping in its suppliers in the back of iPhone X part order cutbacks... according to endless reports in this site if nowhere else.



Nope, I just don’t love in America which seems to be the only place the X is selling successfully.

Well you must not live in the U.K. I seem to see more iPhone Xs than other iPhones.
 
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I don’t buy into if they released new macs each year then they would sell more.

The reality is that the Mac is never going to be the star of the lineup again. Same thing will happen to iPhone and all products.

As an Apple user I welcome change but I see so many others don’t and still think it’s the 1980s or something.

I would gladly change. Really. If someone can show me a more effective IO-Device that the Keyboard and Mouse, which both are 1900s tech (yes, Mouse from Xerox in the 80s). But there is no. Touchscreens are great for recreational toys ... and the mini screen and crown of a watch will not change the world. Until then -> Macs and PCs.
 
The stock market is rigged, its all a numbers game they playing now. I only saw 2 iPhone X and nobody with an 8 yet. The whole smartphone market is saturated, even the Galaxy S9 isn't selling that well. All the suppliers report slow iphone demand.

I don't believe none of this garbage they peddling.
 
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So go and show us the factual proof of his statement then.... and combined profits of every single iPhone they sell doesn’t count.
So you’re calling Tim Cook a liar? Why don’t you show us the factual proof that he’s lying. I’ll take Tim Cook’s comments on an earnings call over random bitter posters on a rumor site.
 
So, another quarter of stagnant iPhone unit sales. I do realize revenue is up a lot due to the iPhone X and the $50 price increase in the 8; however, that kind of growth based on increasing prices is not sustainable. Apple needs to grow their market share, or more importantly be developing the next extreme growth product that will supplement the iPhone's dominance on their revenue and profit.
 
Apple doesn't, of course, report per-model iPhone unit sales.

That said, do you think Apple is actually lying in its earnings reports? Because, while we don't have per-model unit numbers, the numbers we do have point to Apple selling a lot of iPhone Xs. I don't know what all the evidence which you refer to, which supposedly points to the contrary of what he claims, is made up of. But, whatever it is, do you think he's actually lying in conference calls?
But he didn't actually say anything, that is what is suggestive. If you were smashing sales with a model then you would say it with numbers or at least ratios like 2:1, not some woolly "more customers choosing" line. It doesn't mean anything as he could (if being sneaky) actually be just be basing that statement on a single store.

It's a weird thing to say.
 
He can say what the hell he wants true or not, he doesn’t release sales figures to back it up, all he’s required to truthfully tell people are the earnings. So no I don’t believe him, not when share prices are dropping in its suppliers in the back of iPhone X part order cutbacks... according to endless reports in this site if nowhere else.



Nope, I just don’t love in America which seems to be the only place the X is selling successfully.

Apple provides more information in its financial reporting about its smartphone unit sales than most companies do. It doesn't, of course, break them out by model. But the numbers it has reported suggest that iPhone X sales have been strong.

That said, are you saying that you think Mr. Cook (and presumably all CEOs or company officers reporting financial results) are allowed to lie about things other than earnings? They, of course, don't have to report certain other things. But do you think they are allowed to lie about those things which they do tell us about? You think he might actually be lying - in a conference call - when he says Apple sold more iPhone Xs than any other model during every week of the quarter?
 
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How sad that people hate Apple so much (or at least hate when Apple does well) that they resort to calling Tim Cook a liar and alleging that he’s making false statements on earnings calls.
 
I am guessing you work for one of these analyst trying to wipe 2 dozen eggs off your face? I see the iPhone X in the wild multiple times every day. So you're an analyst living i a small village in Wakanda where they don't need cell phones?

What I am smelling is Apple did exceptionally well and all these analysts missed the mark. For some reason, they assumed TSMC or Foxconn revising downward means Apple did poorly even though both of these companies do most of their work for OTHER companies. The thought Android handset makers did not fare well simply did not cross their narrow minded worldview.

So your claiming all the reports and drop in suppliers share prices are, made up? I don’t expect TSMC would claim that... where their is smoke their is fire and even KGI securities, the GOD ALMIGHTY of Apple news said iPhone X sales were lower than expected:


http://9to5mac.com/2018/01/28/kgi-6-1-inch-lcd-iphone-sales/
 
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Apple doesn't, of course, report per-model iPhone unit sales.

That said, do you think Apple is actually lying in its earnings reports? Because, while we don't have per-model unit numbers, the numbers we do have point to Apple selling a lot of iPhone Xs. I don't know what all the evidence which you refer to, which supposedly points to the contrary of what he claims, is made up of. But, whatever it is, do you think he's actually lying in conference calls?
He could risk jail if he were caught lying. He is in a fiduciary position as a company officer and he cannot distort financial information.
 
But he didn't actually say anything, that is what is suggestive. If you were smashing sales with a model then you would say it with numbers or at least ratios like 2:1, not some woolly "more customers choosing" line. It doesn't mean anything as he could (if being sneaky) actually be just be basing that statement on a single store.

It's a weird thing to say.

He isn't, of course, going to give us per-model unit numbers. But he was pretty clear in that Apple sold more iPhone Xs than any other model during the quarter. The numbers released also suggest that iPhone X sales have been strong.
 
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Apple still sells the iPhone 8 and 8 +, 7 and 7+, 6s and 6s+ and the SE in addition to the X.

8 iphone product lines.

So the math that says X is chosen more often than any other iphone each week might mean as few as 14% of Iphone customers choose the X.

With the avg selling price down from the xmas quarter then one has to make the assumption that less iPHone X's were sold relative to other iphones in the March Quarter than compared to the xmas quarter.
 
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