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Almost pressed the sell button yesterday afternoon at $132 but got greedy
as usual. Why do I always do that. What an idiot!
Now will have to wait another 6 months for it to climb back if we're lucky.
Or just a few days or so.

If the sales numbers are "exceeding their expectations" then it sounds like it must be selling amazingly well. That information could be helpful to shareholders and the stock price. They say they can't release numbers because of competition, but at some point stockholders will want to know if it's truly selling amazingly or not.
And at some point they will probably know.
 
Apple reported disappointing guidance...$49-51B revenue compared to estimate of $51.1B

The guidance is 2% lower than the estimate, is that so disappointing?

For me personally the dividend is to low but i understand that Apple wants to lower the number of outstanding shares first because the price is so low and it saves them on dividend payouts.
 
Yikes! they basically only sell iphones.... the day the iphones stop selling, apple will be a fraction of the company it is today.
If I was Tim, I would do whatever it takes to diversify.

Personally I think this is partly why the iCloud limit of 5GB is still in place, they want to force users to get in to a subscription and expand upon ongoing monthly services. App revenue will always go up when new devices are sold, however where's the monthly guaranteed revenue....

This is an area that the new Apple TV with a subscription model should excel at. I can foresee Apple doing a similar thing with video streaming that they have done with Music, Apple Music Vs Spotify, Apple Video Vs Netflix. Then over the next 3-5 years we'll see the services side grow considerably.
 
Well when iPhones, iPads, and iPods came out I saw a lot of them in the wild, even when first released. I have only seen two Apple watches in person. A friend owns one. No one (that I encounter) seems to care about it. Looking at Apple products popularity in the past this can't be a good sign. No need to get offended by my opinion, because it's just that..

I was only one of two of my close friends, family and work colleagues that had an original iPhone. I rarely saw them out and about.

Now I'm at about 50%. And see them everywhere.

You've got to remember they only sold about 5.5m original iPhones - globally. So the fact you saw a lot of them in the wild is interesting. Maybe just lucky. Maybe rose tinted glasses.

Especially as estimates have the Apple Watch pegged at 4.2m (last report I saw this morning) and that's only in a handful of launch countries over the first quarter of its existence.
 
Will be interesting to see how the future growth plans go.

If the US dollar strengthens, then international (~64% of their sales) will likely be pressured by increased local costs. Combined with economic slow down in many major geographies, especially China.

Cook announced last year he wouldnt highlight sales from the watch. Eitherway is a hammering for apple, its not commerically sensitive. If they say they sold 5million, thats a pretty good business probably making a good whack of profit, but the media will claim its downhill under expectations. If Samsung managed to sell 5.1million over the last year, they would be on their highhorse claiming victory, or others would be pooling all android watch sales into one category. If they dont announce, media claiming its all downhill, under expectations, hiding information blah blah blah.
 
Everything is great except for one thing... Apple is not very diversified. The iPhone is the company. Take it away and I don't think their hobby products would sustain the corporation.

Google have a lot of services but advertising is still their company. What happens if everyone installs software like Adblock Plus, and never sees and clicks their adverts (including a lot of scam adverts) again. Let's take away their advertising as it's their biggest earner.

That advertising revenue allows Google to run all these additional services, acquire companies etc.
 
On the conference call Tim Cook said Watch sales were higher in June than in April or May. He also said they're planning to expand distribution going into the holiday season. I guess that proves the Watch is a flop, right?
 
Microsoft on the other hand reported a 3.2 Billion dollar loss in Q4.
I think there is a big writeoff for Nokia included, I think about $6bn or so. So apart from that big blunder (I think Skype cost them a mint as well) they should be doing reasonably well.
 
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Everyone missing the Elephant in the room. CHINA

China has fallen off a cliff over the past two months... and China was the next great growth frontier for iPhone. Already showed up in this quarter with sales down 21%. Cant imagine what that number is going to look like in 3 months.

Americas sales are down 2 quarters in a row and China was supposed to make up that slack. That has come to a screeching halt.

So yes, the lack of diversification from iPhone does not bode well for Apple at all for the next 6 months at a minimum.
Wait, is this supposed to be satire?
China sales doubled.
In the Americas, you aren't actually comparing sequential quarters, are you? For investment analysis, that would be profoundly stupid.
So I'm just going to assume your post is satire.
 
On the conference call Tim Cook said Watch sales were higher in June than in April or May. He also said they're planning to expand distribution going into the holiday season. I guess that proves the Watch is a flop, right?

This is a slow increase in geographical distribution, which likely means htey are constrained by manufacturing, so likely they are selling as much as they can.
 
If the sales numbers are "exceeding their expectations" then it sounds like it must be selling amazingly well. That information could be helpful to shareholders and the stock price. They say they can't release numbers because of competition, but at some point stockholders will want to know if it's truly selling amazingly or not.
Honestly I don't think Wall Street really cares about the Watch (other than those that want to use it to spread FUD and D&G). It's the rest of the media obsessed with the Watch. Wall Street only cares about iPhones.
 
I'm sorry; Tim's evasiveness over Apple Watch numbers just won't do.

Either they've hit it out of the park, or they haven't. It's very clear that they haven't from the comments he made on the call. When he says that sales aren't their primary concern for the Apple Watch, alarm bells ring. And he falls back on customer satisfaction, and says that it can indicate that a product will do 'fairly well'. To my mind, that was a Freudian slip that says that sales have disappointed.

On the bright side, he said that June has outsold April and May. But that's probably simply due to the supply problem. Most people didn't get their watch until June. Cook's excuse of not wanting to help the competition is simply pathetic. Were iPad sales hurt by Jobs announcing sales figures? I think not. And he can hardly blame anyone if people get the wrong impression over sales if he's not prepared to divulge them. That's a problem entirely of his making, and entirely unnecessary. It's a deeply selfish move that he has made solely to cover his back, because he knows that he would have been judged by those sales and found wanting.

Well, it seems the market has found him wanting anyway, and rightfully so. As a shareholder, I think it quite possible that my shares will lose 40% in value soon. If that forces Tim Cook out, so much the better. His awful politicalisation of Apple needs to be consigned to the history books.

Apple is more important than Cook's ego. Give us an Apple that will surprise and delight us, not one that flabbergasts and dismays us.
 
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Everyone missing the Elephant in the room. CHINA

China has fallen off a cliff over the past two months... and China was the next great growth frontier for iPhone. Already showed up in this quarter with sales down 21%. Cant imagine what that number is going to look like in 3 months.

Americas sales are down 2 quarters in a row and China was supposed to make up that slack. That has come to a screeching halt.

So yes, the lack of diversification from iPhone does not bode well for Apple at all for the next 6 months at a minimum.

are we looking at the same numbers?
China grew +112% Y/Y this quarter. Why would you base your analysis on a Q/Q sequential change?

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Everything is great except for one thing... Apple is not very diversified. The iPhone is the company. Take it away and I don't think their hobby products would sustain the corporation.

Actually, if you took the Mac sales and profits alone, Apple would be a highly successful company. If you took the App Store and iTunes Store sales and profits alone, Apple would be a highly successful company. If you took iPad sales and profits alone, Apple would be a highly successful company. If you took the iPod sales and profits alone, or the Apple TV sales and profits alone, more than 99.99% of all companies would only be too happy with that.
 
Wait, is this supposed to be satire?
China sales doubled.
In the Americas, you aren't actually comparing sequential quarters, are you? For investment analysis, that would be profoundly stupid.
So I'm just going to assume your post is satire.


YoY they doubled. And yes, that matters for the headline numbers, but its not at all a fools exercise when factoring in a cycle of an 'S' upgrade combined with a dramatic slowdown in one of the greatest drivers of sales growth.

Its hardly profoundly stupid to point out that THE key driver in YoY sales is experiencing a literal economic panic, in concert with less than stellar diversity away from iPhone from a niche wearable.

I wouldnt want to be anywhere near Apple as an investment until next year when the standard large upgrade cycle is present.

Substantial upgrade cycles make sequential matter... not for every company, but its pretty easy to spot dead quarters ahead when you look beyond the YoY hoopla.
 
you people complaining about the stock drop should had bought a few days ago @ $124 and sold today @ $130. If you don't know what you're doing get out of the stock market. If you buying into this stock with like $1000, you're buying the wrong stock.
 
If the sales numbers are "exceeding their expectations" then it sounds like it must be selling amazingly well. That information could be helpful to shareholders and the stock price. ...

Not if it also gives the competition enough clues on how to compete better against Apple, and thus kill Watch sales, knock down the stock price, and change AAPL shareholder's net worth in a very negative and unhelpful way.
 
This is a boring, familiar routine when it comes to Wall Street's idiotic reaction. Each quarter's earnings are a record, but they rarely meet the ridiculous expectations of some of the so called analysts, so the stock initially drops 5-8%. It always rebounds back to near where it was within a week or so though.

But those ridiculous expectations is what drove up the stock in the first place. But you're correct, that after the dust settles, we are back to where we were before.
 
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64% for iPhones, meh.
It'd only takes a better product to seriously hurt Apple.

IF someone releases something much better than the iPhone (just like Apple did to the blackberries!), it wouldn't bode well for them :>
 
I'm sorry; Tim's evasiveness over Apple Watch numbers...

There is no "evasiveness" about the Apple Watch numbers. Tim said far ahead of time that they would not be releasing numbers and they did not release numbers, exactly as expected. The only people upset by this are the perpetual naysayers such as yourself.
 
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say what we want, our negativesor positives about the company and tech

that still some impressive numbers that any other company would love to achieve
 
You have zero idea what Apple has in the pipeline. And neither does anyone else outside the Inner Circle. Sell your shares of you like. Apple value will be juuuuuust fine.

EDIT: Oh, and instead of listening to all these gut-wrenchingly hilarious predictions of nuclear bombs going off in Palo Alto, I'm going to listen to the likes of Warren Buffett and literally capitalize on the price drop by buy more shares.
Correct, I have zero idea what they have in the pipeline, so I make educated decisions with the info I have. Just like you have zero idea whether Apple "value" will be juuuuuuust fine or not. You listen to whoever you like in determining whether or not to buy more shares. Thats the beauty of a free market. I'm happy to have doubled my money in the last 2 years on Apple and don't mind sitting out for now as there are better values out there now.
 
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