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It's a no win scenario sadly. If you escalate to being serious you get laughed off as a joke or insulted. Being serious doesn't get you anywhere.

My concern is the quality of the userbase.

Yeah. I know.

I know it is. I've been watching it go downhill for years to be honest. I suspect Apple would be more content having drones with open wallets though. It brings the 1984 ad to mind.

Thinking different or thinking need not apply.

Well, you were warned about downside of taking the red pill weren't you?
 
I didn't create the definition. Pick up a CIO magazine sometime if you want more proof of this definition...or check Gartner or Forrester.

I work in IT, and I partly agree that Apple isn't an IT firm. But they seem to be interested in dealing with my IT group directly from their Apple business group from a nearby store on providing solutions rather than just selling hardware and software. We use some Macs in place of traditional PCs for our users as well as a few of our IT staff. Perhaps my IT organization is just unique. We use Linux, Windows, Solaris, and Macs for our servers.

I remember in the mid 90's when I worked in IT at a fortune 500 company how we laughed at Microsoft getting into the server side with Windows NT. Then slowly it got in the door.
 
What's "wrong" with the userbase?

Methinks he should spend more time with the Windows user base for a horrifying reality check (Hint: 99% of them don't know enough about technology to make a single coherent sentence on a forum like this).

Though one would think he could get a good enough taste of the Windows user base right here on this forum, as enough of them hang out here to "stir the pot." :eek:
 
Methinks he should spend more time with the Windows user base for a horrifying reality check (Hint: 99% of them don't know enough about technology to make a single coherent sentence on a forum like this).

Though one would think he could get a good enough taste of the Windows user base right here on this forum, as enough of them hang out here to "stir the pot." :eek:

Wow... :eek: you really take the cake in your smug, condescending, sanctimonious, hypocritical attitude. So anyone who prefers Windows to OSX is automatically part of that "99% (ignoramus, if you will)" who knows nothing about technology to string together a single coherent sentence?

Does your god-like complex know no bounds? If OSX is so perfect, why do you guys run Bootcamp? Why do you guys use a specialized form of Microsoft Office?
 
If only the people that build those nice products would also benefit a bit more from those figures, but i guess that will never happen, low cost countries are what make these profits possible, why not settle for a little less profit and make the workers benefit from the succes too, oh well.
 
There bump upwards was on the release of Windows 7 and who says Apple's growth also didn't take a hit during the recession? Microsoft's net income is up last quarter but revenue is still dropping, with netbooks on the rise i don't see these figures going up that much.

A successful tablet is enough to shift the balance, very plausible.

Dude, this is Apple's holiday quarter, in case you missed it the fist time I said it. The next quarter will be around 12B revenue and 2B profit, FAR AWAY from anything MS will report in 3 months. MS will make about twice as much money with a bit more revenue.

Netbooks? MS sells a copy of Windows with those, too. Probably a bit discounted compared to a desktop Windows, but now it's Windows 7 Starter and not XP anymore. so I don't really see your point. PC sales will pick up massively in the next 12 months, and so will sales of Windows. Not that I like that fact, but it remains the truth.

Talking about the tablet, no one knows whether it's gonna be a major success. Surging PC sales, on the other hand, are more or less set in stone...
 
Good news for Apple but this begs some SERIOUS questions...

With all of these resources why can't they

A) Fix the audio problems on the Mac Pro 2009, which cause the machine to overheat when just playing an mp3?

B) Produce a decent iMac, in any form.

C) Fix their mid 09 MacBook Pros so that you can put in a larger third party drive without rendering the machine unusable?

This means all of their machines (aside from the mini, but who wants that rip job?) have major MAJOR problems...yet they make a killing off all of them. I know I have been affected by 2 of these 3 problems, and they are absolute disasters for me. Majorly affecting how I can work.

I have seen it argued on here that Apple is some benevolent company out to improve the world, but I think it's clear where their priorities lie. Profits, profits and more profits. They aren't making a quality product anymore. A flashy one, yes. And that is why they can make the obscene margins they do, but I can't imagine that they aren't peaking right now and in the next few years will start a downward slide unless they improve the reliability and functionality of their products. Unless of course people keep falling for the top shelf marketing.

Some of you guys don't realize that Apple is just as "evil" if not more so than Microsoft. They are screwing you and you guys are applauding them for it!

Obviously you are sore about your systems, most of us are having ZERO issues with our Macs so we do not feel the same. If we were in the same boat, we would join you in the outcry, but we are not.
 
Most shocking thing for me to come out of that conference call is Steve Jobs actual hyping a product that hasn't been released yet. Usually he's the first one to try to put a lid until announcement.
 
Good news for Apple but this begs some SERIOUS questions...

With all of these resources why can't they

A) Fix the audio problems on the Mac Pro 2009, which cause the machine to overheat when just playing an mp3?

B) Produce a decent iMac, in any form.

C) Fix their mid 09 MacBook Pros so that you can put in a larger third party drive without rendering the machine unusable?

This means all of their machines (aside from the mini, but who wants that rip job?) have major MAJOR problems...yet they make a killing off all of them. I know I have been affected by 2 of these 3 problems, and they are absolute disasters for me. Majorly affecting how I can work.

I have seen it argued on here that Apple is some benevolent company out to improve the world, but I think it's clear where their priorities lie. Profits, profits and more profits. They aren't making a quality product anymore. A flashy one, yes. And that is why they can make the obscene margins they do, but I can't imagine that they aren't peaking right now and in the next few years will start a downward slide unless they improve the reliability and functionality of their products. Unless of course people keep falling for the top shelf marketing.

Some of you guys don't realize that Apple is just as "evil" if not more so than Microsoft. They are screwing you and you guys are applauding them for it!

Time to use your Apple Care. Though I'm not sure what the fix would be for "unfounded assumptions."
 
So what are we suppsoed to do? Use Windows on generic PCs??

That's usally what drones (92% of the market) are doing. Walk in, ask for a "computer" that "has the internet" and get directed to a PC with MS' latest version of the Worst Operating System Known To Man. And then in about a month ask the IT guy at work if they could do them a favour and "clean" their computer.

LOL.

*ahem* A drone (since iPods take a majority of the market) walks in, asks for a MP3 player, gets directed to the iPod display case first, gets the "privilege" of downloading the bloated, memory-hogging iTunes and now has the option to be suckered into paying for movies, TV shows, apps to one company directly, and oh, yeah... in a month, "can you find a fix because my Snow Leopard has totally deleted my hard drive?".
 
If you have the recent release of the iMac, then no it doesn't work perfectly. You may be satisfied, but you over paid a great deal for a machine with some serious defects in it.

Every Apple machine produced today currently has ridiculous problems that no one would stand for on the PC side, but for some reason we Apple users do.

Serious defects like what? How can you say "every apple machine has ridiculous problems"?? I don't get it. If you have a problem, take it back and get another one until you don't have problems.
 
*ahem* A drone (since iPods take a majority of the market) walks in, asks for a MP3 player, gets directed to the iPod display case first

Ideal situation. The best product clearly won out in this case. Who doesn't love iPods??

Sometimes we get lucky this way.
 
*ahem* A drone (since iPods take a majority of the market) walks in, asks for a MP3 player, gets directed to the iPod display case first, gets the "privilege" of downloading the bloated, memory-hogging iTunes and now has the option to be suckered into paying for movies, TV shows, apps to one company directly, and oh, yeah... in a month, "can you find a fix because my Snow Leopard has totally deleted my hard drive?".


You and LTD are priceless. Is this a contest for most ridiculous (anti)fanboi post ? :rolleyes:
 
Perhaps my IT organization is just unique. We use Linux, Windows, Solaris, and Macs for our servers.

I think any IT dept that uses Mac servers is definitely unique. For the past 10 years the only place I've seen Mac servers are schools/colleges. The rest of the world runs on Windows, Linux, or Unix servers (or even mainframes). A lot of the business world's "server" requirements are about what software apps actually run on the servers...Seibel and Oracle business apps (among dozens of others) do not run on Macs...they run on Windows or Unix or Linux....which in turn run on hardware that is "supported" by the OS as well as the software vendor. So it really comes down to what the "server" is going to be for...gone are the days of just print servers or file servers...it's so much about server/client.

Not picking on Apple...they just have a super small pie slice of the server market.
 
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