Apple Requesting Potential Motorola Bond of Up to $16 Billion in German Patent Case

[gkpm]

What would happen if Motorola could say Apple would need to pay them 16 billion if Apple allowed to sell their products during the same time span and Apple loss

Reason for the 16 billion is those products could never of been sold and as such Apple should of suffered those damages + what ever else in the law suit.

You obviously don't understand that damages is not the same as the full sales value of the products. Apple would pay far less than $16 billion if they lose the case.

The damages in this case would be a license analogy (e.g. how much Motorola would charge for a license to the patent - a fair value), or Motorola's lost profit caused by Apple's action.

There's no punitive damages in the German legal system.

Source: http://www.ip4inno.eu/index.php?id=...age]=3&cHash=34a07af4afe4204b58db14799f72f0f5

 

[Abazigal]

Oh right I see. Hmmm, does make you think is Apple too rich? If no one can afford to take them to court because of the potential costs? Meh like I said I'm fed up with them all. At least it hasn't stopped innovation.. so far...

Not really, I believe other companies are just as rich, if not richer, just that most of their cash are tied up in illiquid assets. Push comes to shove, they can probably raise the money to take Apple head on somehow, it may just cost them dearly (since they likely have to take a steep discount from selling those assets at surefire rates).

Apple is one of the few companies who chooses to hold all its assets in cash, making it nimble enough to respond to any threat as and when it arises.

 

[apolloa]

Not really, I believe other companies are just as rich, if not richer, just that most of their cash are tied up in illiquid assets. Push comes to shove, they can probably raise the money to take Apple head on somehow, it may just cost them dearly (since they likely have to take a steep discount from selling those assets at surefire rates).

Apple is one of the few companies who chooses to hold all its assets in cash, making it nimble enough to respond to any threat as and when it arises.

Well I guess we will see now what the EU Competition Commission does, if it has time to do anything with the Euro going down the toilet! But they have requested information on the patents in question. It's targeting Samsung and Apple mind. So other companies may not need to take on Apple. And 16 billion is still a lot of money, only the very biggest companies have that cash even in assets.
I would like to see Apple and Samsung get fined 10%, but it won't change the broken patent system.

 

[cire]

What's a "Windroidsung" exactly?




And isn't using made-up words to describe your opposition a form of ad hominem?

It is a collective term to represent Windows, Android and Samsung fans that seem to be populating (infesting ) this site. I do NOT refer to any single individual using that term, but it reflects the weary arguments made by those proponents. I have NEVER reduced the value of your or anyone's argument based upon that term.

Now, the fact that you hair is the wrong color...

 

[marksman]

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Correct. It was just some unsubstantiated claim that was born (and died) on the internet.

I will give you credit, no matter what the facts are you will defend, worship, adore, and fawn over apple. It's a fact that apple distorted the ratios in order to make the samsung products look more the iPhone and the iPad that they actually are.

http://www.cultofmac.com/109627/app...ainst-samsung-again-this-time-about-galaxy-s/

Even cultofmac admits

Apple’s chalked up some big victories against Samsung in recent weeks, culminating in a preliminary injunction that got the Galaxy Tab 10.1 banned throughout the EU. But did Apple do so based upon false evidence? That’s what one Dutch website is alleging, and we’ve got to admit, their argument’s pretty good.


See the image above? The side-by-side comparison of the iPad 2 and Galaxy Tab 10,1 at the bottom is the exact comparison shot used by Apple to prove in official court documents that the Galaxy Tab 10,1 is “practically identical” to Apple’s tablet.

The only problem? That’s not what the Galaxy Tab 10,1 even looks like. The Galaxy Tab 10,1 has a 1.46 aspect ratio. In Apple’s comparison image, though, has a 1.36 aspect ratio compared to the iPad 2′s 1.30. The tablet’s proper proportions have been deformed.

If you actually look at the image, the Galaxy Tab’s icons are warped too, so this seems like an honest mistake by some paralegal resizing an image.

Even so, though, it raises the question about whether or not the injunction against Samsung should even have been granted. As TechCrunch notes:

The current import ban on the GalTab is entirely related to design, so the court is truly judging these books by their covers. Presenting evidence that falsely represents the appearance of a product — especially when the appearance of the product is the only thing in question — is incredibly suspect to say the least. Let’s add to that the fact that Apple had some serious alone time with the judge when presenting this evidence. Meanwhile, Samsung didn’t even have the opportunity to dispute the image.

So you don't understand the judge had the actual tablets in their hands. Like I said this was hashed out a long time ago and you are simply wrong. As others have asked though what does this have to do with the thread in question. It seems like you just want to irrationally and erroneously bash apple at any cost. You are not here to debate and discuss, you are here to troll and hate.

 

[marksman]

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And the trolling here with apple lust and blind devotion and irrational behavior grows every day.

It goes both ways....

But it is a forum for Apple enthusiasts. It's like going to an ice cream store and getting mad that it's full of ice cream lovers.

EDIT: I just want to say the word ice cream again.

Exactly, and it is why it is NOT a two way street. While there are some very enthusiastic apple supporters here they are far outnumbered by the irrational haters.

There are enough people who use apple products to foster diverse discussions on all things apple. The blind apple bashing inhibits more in depth and critical discussions as it turns into a battle between users and not ideas.

It is unfortunate that do many threads are overrun with apple hate that there is no real room for serious and intelligent discussions of the issues at hand.

At the end of the day this is a forum to discuss apple products that is designed to primarily appeal to apple product owners and users. That real community has grown so much in the past five years it does. It require subsidization by people with no real interest in apple other than just to attack it on a daily basis.

It is normal for supporters of products to migrate to sites designed to discuss those products. It is not normal for people that do not like a company or product to do the same.

 

[lukarak]

Man, I like Apple products as much as the next guy here, but this is seriously getting out of hand. Stuff like this is way, way beyond reasonable. It's disgusting, in fact. If and when Apple keeps acting so arrogant, I don't know if I'll be able to ethically justify supporting them anymore. I'm holding off any product buying decisions until they rethink what they're doing and decide to act reasonably again.

You do get that motorola is sueing apple, not the other way round?

 

[KnightWRX]

It is unfortunate that do many threads are overrun with apple blind loyalty that there is no real room for serious and intelligent discussions of the issues at hand.

Fixed that there for you. That's been my experience with this whole thing.

Funny how the tables are sometimes reversed.

I made long posts with extended histories, links to news stories, images, etc.. only to get downranked and called a hater. Because I actually research stuff and don't just go the easy route of "Apple Yay! Competition Nay!", I get labeled a fan of companies whose products I don't even own or use.

And then people have the gal of saying "haters" ruin this forum. I got news for you, both crowd of extremists ruin threads here. The Pro-Apple crowd and the Apple hater crowd. Extremists, all of them.

 

[DesignerOnMac]

That Apple reinvented the tablet...innovated it...reinvented the cellphone...innovated it...is not arguable. That you insist that Apple hasn't invented anything shows yourself to be unreasonable.

Plus get your facts straight. Microsoft tablets were a bad model...the same as the model they want to continue to use...the model of Mobile PCs. Microsoft Surface was not YEARs before iOS.

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What irrational behavior? Is that any behavior you disagree with? Each of us make a decision as to which products to use. Until a company produces vastly superior products, I will trust Apple to provide the best user experience available. Every "fanboy" here would agree. I have been called an Apple fanboy (or derivation of it) for 28 years. I have had the same arguments with the same type of people over that time, whether its about the desktop OS, Jobs preference for resolution over color, multiple floppy drives, the number of buttons on a mouse, Apple defending its IP against Microsoft... the list goes on. And over that whole time one thing has been almost always true: Apple products provide a better experience for the end users. When the company strayed from that, it nearly went bankrupt.

The Windroidsungs think they are being original in their bashing of Apple. I can assure them they are walking a well-trodden path.

I am surprised that no one has brought up another Microsoft product: The Zune! Wasn't that 'supposed' to be the iPd killer? Just saying.......

 

[mdriftmeyer]

Oh yes it is, it has been for some time:

Image

ironic, isnt it?

It's actually sad how you can't understand 1984 and the fact Apple isn't dominating the market for Desktop/Laptop [Microsoft at 90%] and Smartphone in the US [just over 28%].

I guess it bothers you that they do dominate in a few categories:

Loyalty and Profits.

 

[vvswarup]

Really you are so silly,

And then Apple have zero need to worry about upgrading to keep sales, they will just bleed you of money for old tech for as long as they can.

And people call Apple fans mindless, irrational fanboys! Simple answer: People can stop buying Apple products.

 

[lilcosco08]

Dick move, Apple.

 

[AppleScruff1]

Down with Apple. The higher the top, the longer the drop.

 

[Th3Crow]

Moron trolls

Has anyone noticed how articulate, logical, and reasonable the Apple "fanboys" are? Well thought-out, intelligent answers trump the ridiculous knee-jerk responses given by the anti-Apple trolls on these threads every time. You guys really aren't presenting your arguments very well. Honestly, you want us to take you seriously when you "loose respect" for Apple? I lose respect for you when you can't even spell.

 

[Digitalclips]

I hope Samsung and others do this to Apple then

If that were to happen and the Bond is based upon lost potential sales of Android tablets that might end up being a negative amount!

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Has anyone noticed how articulate, logical, and reasonable the Apple "fanboys" are? Well thought-out, intelligent answers trump the ridiculous knee-jerk responses given by the anti-Apple trolls on these threads every time. You guys really aren't presenting your arguments very well. Honestly, you want us to take you seriously when you "loose respect" for Apple? I lose respect for you when you can't even spell.

Give them a break, have tried typing on a tiny plastic keyboard in your mother's basement?

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Down with Apple. The higher the top, the longer the drop.

Is that what they call the Microsoft Effect?

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Fixed that there for you. That's been my experience with this whole thing.

Funny how the tables are sometimes reversed.

I made long posts with extended histories, links to news stories, images, etc.. only to get downranked and called a hater. Because I actually research stuff and don't just go the easy route of "Apple Yay! Competition Nay!", I get labeled a fan of companies whose products I don't even own or use.

And then people have the gal of saying "haters" ruin this forum. I got news for you, both crowd of extremists ruin threads here. The Pro-Apple crowd and the Apple hater crowd. Extremists, all of them.

Yep, these damned Apple lovers should go find a blog dedicated to Apple and stop lurking here ... Oh, wait a minute ...

 

[KnightWRX]

Yep, these damned Apple lovers should go find a blog dedicated to Apple and stop lurking here ... Oh, wait a minute ...

This site is not an Apple fansite. It's a site for news and rumors about Apple. It's not for blind loyalists only, us normal Apple users are also welcomed here. It would be nice if the more extremist crowd would recognize our right to exist, rather than lump us in their polarised black and white, us vs them world view.

I'm not with either US or THEM. I'm me.

 

[dmarkman]

I'm not with either US or THEM. I'm me.

good for you

 

[FFX]

Apple is not a convicted monopoly abuser.

Apple has to actually reach *this* level:

Abuse of monopoly, lying (or perjury, provided they were under oath), presenting false evidence in court, etc.

Uhm, have you ever seen the appstore? Apple prevents other companies from adding their own apps. Did you miss the Samsung trail? false avidence in court.. Have you been living under an Apple for the last years?

Apple is way worse then microsoft.

BTW, you can't remove any of the standard apps on an iPhone or on the iPad, and I guess its the same with the macs.

 

[charlituna]

, but you can bet that they would be told to stuff it if they asked for new deals on anything.

not at all. Because Samsung etc are in the business to make money and Apple is a huge customer

They may think Apple is Satan but they will sleep with the devil

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Oh, balderdash. They have a business model. There is a body of patent law. They have the patents to defend. Legal contents are a kind of ritual combat, it's true. .

Yep and it is going on between dozens of companies. But we don't read about every cough, burp and nut scratch of all those case because Apple isn't involved so it doesn't get the page hits that the sites covet

 

[simpleankit]

US Judge has denied Apple's request!

US Judge has also denied Apple's request for Injunction

Another win for Samsung after Australia one

http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/3/2...-apple-preliminary-request-ban-samsung-galaxy

See the court document in below link

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/812623/apple-denied-prelim-injunction.pdf

 

[charlituna]

Watch the second half of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO61RlgYm4s

Dude nails it. Apple fanboys need not watch this, it wont make you comfortable knowing how shady apple is.

Nice bedroom. His mother is a great decorator.

Not so nice overbias and overall boring. If I want to know what is appending on a site I'll go visit it. Not listen to some ego 'recap' it

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Clearly you just choose to ignore all the previous discussions on that issue that made the images irrelevant. Nothing like going back in time to be wrong all over again and again.

not to mention that we never saw the actual filing to see the full context. For all we know, the change is fully explained in the text of he court document

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. So even if they don't win, they can tie up their competitors working capital, while they just sit on a pile of cash to do whatever the heck they want?

Nope. Read it again.

apple only gets the money if Motorola wins, takes action (like having Apple's stuff banned from sales) but the Apple wins on appeal.

If Apple doesn't win the appeal, they get nothing from the bond

If Motorola wins but does nothing, perhaps knowing Apple will immediately appeal, Apple gets nothing from the bond

 

[Abazigal]

Uhm, have you ever seen the appstore? Apple prevents other companies from adding their own apps. Did you miss the Samsung trail? false avidence in court.. Have you been living under an Apple for the last years?

Apple is way worse then microsoft.

BTW, you can't remove any of the standard apps on an iPhone or on the iPad, and I guess its the same with the macs.

If 95% of the people in the world were using mac computers, and there was no other viable alternative, then yes, you might have a case. But when apple hardware is for most part still a minority in the marketplace, I don't see how this can ever be construed as a monopoly, since people still have the option of simply going windows, and they really won't be any worse off for it.

Why, is your local supermarket a monopoly just because it doesn't carry a certain brand of potato chips or soda? Should apple stores start stocking dell PCs next? Do you similarly chastise ATnT for not selling sprint data plans? It's just business, plain and simple.

Steve Jobs isn't holding you in an armlock and forcing you to only use apple products. You should have known the limitations when you made the move to apple, why are you complaining now? So what if I remove the standard iphone apps? I don't find myself any worse off...

 

[tradervic21]

In other news, Motorola has just announced that they are changing their name from Motorola Mobility to Motorola Liability

 

[tylerk36]

There is a law suit being filed in the country of the antarctic. The penguin court is set to convene over the patent dispute of thermal dynamics of Mac's and how they stay cool. The cooling effect is an antarctic patent, being that its colder there than any other place on earth. The penguins are very upset and feel that Apple needs to have some respect for the continent and their inhabitants. As of now all Penguins are using Galaxy Tabs and seem to have some sort of bias against Apple and its products. When asking one of the leaders, how they felt about this matter all that could be said was a sort of trumpeting sound and constant pecking at the interviewer. The interviewer barely made it out alive. When asked how he felt about the interview he said My God man they are out for blood.

 

[ThisIsNotMe]

Apple should just initiate a hostile takeover of Motorola and buy 51% of the stock.

Screw Motorola and screw google.