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Oh man, that's too bad. I bet Apple are really beating themselves up over that one lost purchase. Poor Apple, I hope they don't have to declare bankruptcy after this.
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You think I am the only person to have purchased a rival product to use with my iPhone 7? What a naive and foolish train of thought you have.
 
I agree with you on this one. I love Apple, so I'm not "Apple bashing," but come on. Why remove the headphone jack and announce all these wireless offerings and not have the flagship offering (the AirPods) or one of the solidly-reviewed secondary offerings (BeatsX) available the same time as the iPhone?

I thought it was odd enough that these were not being released until after (even the PowerBeats3 weren't until after the iPhone was released), but here we are in December and we still don't have them and who knows when AirPods will arrive and BeatsX looks to be next year?

Ugh. That is a large misstep on Apple's part. I'm not over here planning my jump to Android or any sort of ridiculous thing, but I am not pleased with how they handled any of their launches this year.

I hear people talking about BT5... well, great. But, why not just NOT announce things that will be using BT5 if it's not ready? Announce them when they are. It's THAT simple.

Excellent post. I wish they would have waited until next year to remove the headphone jack. If iPhone 8 is the marvel people are expecting, it would have been much easier to swallow and they would have had time to actually deliver these accessories.

Isn't this what other companies get blamed for? releasing tech before its ready....
 
I really wanted these earbuds really bad but refused to keep waiting any further so I opted out and ended up going with the Jaybird X3's instead, couldn't be happier.
 
Excellent post. I wish they would have waited until next year to remove the headphone jack. If iPhone 8 is the marvel people are expecting, it would have been much easier to swallow and they would have had time to actually deliver these accessories.

Isn't this what other companies get blamed for? releasing tech before its ready....

Yes... people are on MR making fun of other companies for their failures and releasing products too early, but when Apple does this sort of thing, they're rationalizing all day long. It's weird.

You can love a company and their products and be disappointed or call them out when they make a mistake. That's just plain old "holding them accountable." And, we should.
 
The Powerbeats Wireless 2 are phenomenal. Great sound, they never fall out, and 6 hour battery life ought to be enough for most people.

I had these and found them to not be very good. The connection would stutter and cut in & out all the time when my phone was in my pocket, plus the sound has way too much bass.

I returned them and got the JLab Epic 2. - http://amzn.to/2gsmlm3 - Really good sound, much better connection to my phone, and twice the battery life. Happy camper!
 
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So you are happy with planned obsolescence, laptops are lasting longer and longer these days. Moores law is coming to an end.

I'd imagine if I was to look through these threads there are lots of people saying they have another 3 years out of an Apple laptop and here you state they are ready for the bin. Which is it?
Both.

I am currently using a 2011 iMac and 2012 MBA. I will use both until the day they break down, then I will look at what best to replace them with.

But I have never cracked open a PC to play around with the insides (not even to install extra ram sticks). To me, it doesn't matter whether the ram or SSD can be switched or not. I don't see myself touching them either way.

Here is some news for you things change. I asked you to tell me how all these points don't affect the user experience and all you can come up with is its my fault or i am holding it wrong?
I am saying that most people, there is minimal or absolutely zero impact on the end user experience.

Say I get a new camera and I need more storage or I start to edit 4k video files. You think it is a good experience running a drive near capacity or plugging in external drives when I can get a better experience just swapping in a shiny new SSD?
Or as I said, simply buy the storage you know you will need right from the start.

Really good experience being 'forced' to by extra insurance and what happens after 3 years? I still have a dead laptop if any one of SSD, RAM or Battery goes. What a great experience.
Sucks, yeah. But I think that if Apple can design their laptops to last a reasonable period of time, then it shouldn't be an issue overall.

Really? Is that all you can come up with?
If I need more storage or ram on my current laptop, I don't need a new one, I just to the shop and buy an SSD/RAM stick. these are almost consumable items.
You will. Most people won't. That's my point.

Yes I hear that a lot, lets save space at the expense of experience. Poor argument you have lets market a pro computer at non pro users. Thats what the macbook is for.
And that's what Apple appears to be doing with all their laptops. Expand the definition of the "pro" term and improve its mass market appeal to reach as many users as possible.

We want to be able to use the computer, we want storage, ram and connectivity. We don't need paper thin devices.
Also like you state, thin does not equal light.
And who exactly is this "we"?

The people who want 32 gb of ram and / or swappable specs likely remain a very small portion of the total MacBook Pro user base. So small that Apple evidently feels comfortable enough to forgo this feature because they know the ramifications on their user base is minimal.

I am not insinuating that your needs don't matter, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect that your needs matter so much that you expect Apple to bend over backwards to cater to your whims at the expense of everyone else's.

Personally, I am a bit disappointed that my 9.7” iPad pro comes with just 2 gb of ram, but I still got one nonetheless and for the time being, I am a happy iPad user. I will worry about crossing the forced obsolescence bridge when I get there, but I feel life is too short to be fretting over issues like this.

You want what Apple can't and won't give you. It sucks and that's just the way it is.

You are thinking about it all wrong, its about the experience of being shafted when you go to an Apple store and they tell you its a new laptop you need when your $500 RAM goes because it also has a $1500 SSD and a $300 WIFI card
By and large, my Macs have been the most reliable computers I have ever owns. My current iMac is over five years and still going strong (touch wood).

When it's time to time, it's time to go and I don't think I will bother trying to resuscitate it. My experience is that after this time, when one part goes kaput, the rest will start following suit before long.

Again where is the user experience today? I have no USB-C devices, I do love USB-C and will get devices, but heck, give me a single/2 USB-A port to plug in a permanent USB-A device (Backup Thumb Drive, Mouse dongle)
You can't have a new world order without first doing away with the current one. Do you think we could have native iOS apps and HTML 5 if Apple didn't block flash? Users were inconvenienced in the short run, but benefited greatly in the long run.

No room for a mouse dongle? Go full Bluetooth and connect it directly. USB C drives can be had today. For example, the Samsung T3 flash devices do connect using USB C to A cables. When I do finally upgrade to a new MacBook Pro, I will just replace the cable with a USB C to C cable and I am good to go.

The experience can be had today, but as I said, you must want it. Get out there and use your hands to make that prophecized future a reality.

I give up 5 usefull ports today for 4 useful ports tomorrow. I live in the today, not the tomorrow. Its also a strawman argument.
Apple could have given 3/1 or 2/2 on USB-C/USB-A
You don't know Apple very well then.

And Apple taketh away the magsafe. One of the best inventions ever.
I can also dock on my XPS.

I too am sad to see MagSafe go, but it just has no place in a world of multi-purpose cable connections.

Not for a long time until they added multitouch to the mouse.
Also it has to be the most unergonomic mouse out there, do you agree?
I never see people using Apple mice.
I agree. My first experience with the Apple mouse was with my 2011 iMac. I loved the multitouch gestures, but hated the low form factor which make my hand cramp. Replaced it with a cheap wireless mouse and haven't looked back since. It's still collecting dust somewhere.

I just told you I do charge and listen at the same time. I'll give you one example, I am using Waze on my phone in the car and listening to Audio over 3.5mm AUX and because the navigation sucks battery, I need to charge it.
Again crap experience.
No Bluetooth? Well, worst comes to worse, there's always that Apple dock, I guess Awkward a solution as it is.

No, perhaps in quicktime pro, but that would be a poor experience let alone having to purchase another piece of software, but having to export and spit clips would be like eating razor blades, yes it can be done but why would you want to.
Never heard of QuickTime Pro either. I recall being able to crop clips easily using the iMovie extension in the ios photos apps. Surprised it's such a chore on the Mac.

Aperture was Apples Pro Photo management software that was a competitor to LightRoom.
Noted. Not sure what else I can say here except "tough luck"?

You have a valid point there but on the face of it thats what it looks like.
But its not counterintuitive. People on here are pissed at Apple.
I used to be in your shoes defending Apples decisions at work. Now I am on the other side.

When all Apple gives you is lemons...I'm sure there is some kind of meme in there...


I used to love Apple, I used to watch every second of their keynotes and salivate at what I wanted next.
They could do no wrong, I would shrug off when people would say at work, "And how do you copy files on to and off an iPhone?" etc

Then Apple comes along and takes A LOT away. Much of what they take away is in the name of thinness these days.
On balance, Apple has taken away more than they have given me.

Yes there is a lot that Apple has given me and they do make sexy products, but their brand sucks to me at the moment.

I guess our mileages simply vary. I think for me, it helps that I have been increasingly embracing the iPad lifestyle. As mentioned, both my Macs are still going strong, and I should be able to ride out this awkward "port revolution". At the same time, Apple has dramatically improved iOS productivity. iOS 8 brought peer to peer AirPlay to the Apple TV. The iPad now has split-screen multitasking and Apple Pencil support, and as a teacher, I find I use my iPad a lot more then my MacBook.

So I find I have benefited greatly from Apple's emphasis on the iPad, and I haven't been impacted by their apparent lack of focus on the Mac (yet). So I am not complaining. For the moment at least.
 
You think I am the only person to have purchased a rival product to use with my iPhone 7? What a naive and foolish train of thought you have.

You think that anecdotes tell us about general consumer trends? Wow, what a naive and foolish train of thought you have. Saying "I did X" doesn't tell us anything about how many people decided to switch or whether it will have any impact on Apple either temporarily or permanently (it almost certainly won't).
 
Ugh. That is a large misstep on Apple's part. I'm not over here planning my jump to Android or any sort of ridiculous thing, but I am not pleased with how they handled any of their launches this year.

Yes. I remember Apple's herky jerky era of the 90s. As a fan of it's products, especially Macs, I never want to experience that again, but I think we were spoiled in the '00s with Jobs phenomenal turn around and remaking of the company, almost from its ashes and running the company like a precision ballet - well 98% of the time. So it's really "painful" to me to see Apple wandering back down that lost road to nowhere.
 
Well sure, why release a competitive product, even from your own child company, when the Airpods have been delayed. I am sure it was Apple's plan all along to hold off on any Beats wireless earphones products until after Airpods have run through their early sales spike. Apple ****ed up their own product so now they are penalizing the Beats brand to promote Apple's own self righteous product, whenever they get around to accomplishing what many other companies with FAR LESS R&D budget have already succeeded at, getting audio to both sides at the same time.

If Beats X came out first nobody would buy AirPods, and nobody should because this product is going to suck if you haven't figured that out by now. Tim Cook can't make new things, period, and the "old" things he is in charge of are becoming dissapointing.
 
Although there are items I may or may not realise I am wearing, earphones are quite distinct in how they affect sound and feeling in the ear quite dramatically. I think I am more likely to not realise whether I have shoes on or not. There is a clear feeling when it comes out of your ear.

I am sure glasses don't fall off your face without you realising.
Yeah guess I completely forgot about the sound part:(
 
Seriously. There's a lot of apple bashing but when you're company sells products and the only things you've managed to release is 2 laptops, a watch, smaller iPhone, and 1 iPad for the whole year and your other products are delayed - is that seriously a good sign?
 
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I'm just a lazy home user of stuff. So I loved about Apple that it seemed largely to be focused on providing a great ecosystem that was striving always to be more complete and easy to use. What the **** are they doing now?

I find myself wondering if I can upload my iTunes music library to google music. I hear that google home stuff will let me call up music easily with a simple voice command. No Apple solution. (And really, if I stop using iTunes, I'm not sure why I need any other Apple device. Maybe movie library would force me to use AppleTv still?)

I'd really like a mesh wireless network to take care of dead spots. No amount of fussing with airport devices has been able to help. Currently I have to use one of those wi-fi over electrical outlets for a room, but it isn't close to ideal. Seems that google wi-fi mesh network is cheap and will do the trick. No Apple solution.

Daughter got an iPhone 7 and wants AirPods for holidays. But it sure looks unlikely that they'll be out in time for the holidays. She is looking at other options. No Apple solution.

I do have a thick watch that I can't wear with a suit because my sleeve can't fit over it.

Tim Cook is a businessman. Ives seems disinterested. The company is rudderless with executives far more interested in good seats to basketball games than Jobs' vision. I'm so close to being out.
 
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I am currently using a 2011 iMac and 2012 MBA. I will use both until the day they break down, then I will look at what best to replace them with.

But I have never cracked open a PC to play around with the insides (not even to install extra ram sticks). To me, it doesn't matter whether the ram or SSD can be switched or not. I don't see myself touching them either way.


I am saying that most people, there is minimal or absolutely zero impact on the end user experience.


Or as I said, simply buy the storage you know you will need right from the start.


Sucks, yeah. But I think that if Apple can design their laptops to last a reasonable period of time, then it shouldn't be an issue overall.


You will. Most people won't. That's my point.


And that's what Apple appears to be doing with all their laptops. Expand the definition of the "pro" term and improve its mass market appeal to reach as many users as possible.


And who exactly is this "we"?

The people who want 32 gb of ram and / or swappable specs likely remain a very small portion of the total MacBook Pro user base. So small that Apple evidently feels comfortable enough to forgo this feature because they know the ramifications on their user base is minimal.

I am not insinuating that your needs don't matter, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect that your needs matter so much that you expect Apple to bend over backwards to cater to your whims at the expense of everyone else's.

Personally, I am a bit disappointed that my 9.7” iPad pro comes with just 2 gb of ram, but I still got one nonetheless and for the time being, I am a happy iPad user. I will worry about crossing the forced obsolescence bridge when I get there, but I feel life is too short to be fretting over issues like this.

You want what Apple can't and won't give you. It sucks and that's just the way it is.


By and large, my Macs have been the most reliable computers I have ever owns. My current iMac is over five years and still going strong (touch wood).

When it's time to time, it's time to go and I don't think I will bother trying to resuscitate it. My experience is that after this time, when one part goes kaput, the rest will start following suit before long.


You can't have a new world order without first doing away with the current one. Do you think we could have native iOS apps and HTML 5 if Apple didn't block flash? Users were inconvenienced in the short run, but benefited greatly in the long run.

No room for a mouse dongle? Go full Bluetooth and connect it directly. USB C drives can be had today. For example, the Samsung T3 flash devices do connect using USB C to A cables. When I do finally upgrade to a new MacBook Pro, I will just replace the cable with a USB C to C cable and I am good to go.

The experience can be had today, but as I said, you must want it. Get out there and use your hands to make that prophecized future a reality.


You don't know Apple very well then.



I too am sad to see MagSafe go, but it just has no place in a world of multi-purpose cable connections.


I agree. My first experience with the Apple mouse was with my 2011 iMac. I loved the multitouch gestures, but hated the low form factor which make my hand cramp. Replaced it with a cheap wireless mouse and haven't looked back since. It's still collecting dust somewhere.


No Bluetooth? Well, worst comes to worse, there's always that Apple dock, I guess Awkward a solution as it is.


Never heard of QuickTime Pro either. I recall being able to crop clips easily using the iMovie extension in the ios photos apps. Surprised it's such a chore on the Mac.


Noted. Not sure what else I can say here except "tough luck"?



I guess our mileages simply vary. I think for me, it helps that I have been increasingly embracing the iPad lifestyle. As mentioned, both my Macs are still going strong, and I should be able to ride out this awkward "port revolution". At the same time, Apple has dramatically improved iOS productivity. iOS 8 brought peer to peer AirPlay to the Apple TV. The iPad now has split-screen multitasking and Apple Pencil support, and as a teacher, I find I use my iPad a lot more then my MacBook.

So I find I have benefited greatly from Apple's emphasis on the iPad, and I haven't been impacted by their apparent lack of focus on the Mac (yet). So I am not complaining. For the moment at least.

I guess I'll have to agree to disagree with you.
You don't make very convincing arguments as to how Apple enhances my user experience and you just boil it down to:
  • I'm using it wrong
  • I should spend more up front in case my needs change
  • I should spend more on a warranty
  • Yadayada
I will note a couple of things
  • You don't have to tinker to be affected by soldered ram/ssd, when it comes to repair options it will suck
  • I hate dongles.
  • Apple fanboys will try to justify everything, even bad ideas.
 
Courageous enough to remove a ubiquitous port like the 3.5MM jack, but not courageous enough to have flagship accessories ready to support the change at launch. :rolleyes:
I don't think you know what the word courageous means.
 
People constantly ask how Apple will add new revenue streams when they are so dependent on the iPhone. Yet, when Apple tries to add new revenue such as these headphones and screws up the launch massively they fail to make the correlation.

This is a bigger deal than some people are admitting to. I am not whining only because I want them. That is part of the reason but for Apple's own good health they need to bump up revenue on declining iPhone sales to make up the short fall.

They need to find over one billion dollars of lost revenue over the holidays or the stockholders will eventually hold them accountable.
 
It really does look bad for Apple to do that song and dance about a wireless future and then fail to be a part of it.

Anyway, Target has the shelf space marked already for Beats X but inventory shows no launch date.
 
It really does look bad for Apple to do that song and dance about a wireless future and then fail to be a part of it.

Anyway, Target has the shelf space marked already for Beats X but inventory shows no launch date.

Looking online at some reviews and various retailers that are over a month old they speak about Beatsx as an alternative as if they currently exist. A few reviews mention that Beatsx are a cheaper alternative to Powerbeats 3.

By the time they are released BT5 is already out and the first devices using the new standard will be released and all pimped out. Every single company that produces BT products is now looking to adapt and looking into W1 chip alternatives.

Kudos to Apple for throwing down the gauntlet but they might find they are late to the game come February. They are just giving loyal users too many reasons to actively shop around these days.
 
So..my powerbeats 3 less than month old died. Apple did replace them, but no confidence they will last. Guess I workout harder than the pro athletes! :D
 
All this talk about BT 5 - none of their devices support it yet. So why delay for something no one can benefit from yet?
 
They really have messed these launches up of the W1 chip equipped earphones. I hope when they do launch there aren't lingering problems.
 
All this talk about BT 5 - none of their devices support it yet. So why delay for something no one can benefit from yet?

I don't think the delay has anything to do with Bluetooth 5 and the W1 chip is already shipping with some Beats headphones, so it has to be something else.
 
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Well sure, why release a competitive product, even from your own child company, when the Airpods have been delayed. I am sure it was Apple's plan all along to hold off on any Beats wireless earphones products until after Airpods have run through their early sales spike. Apple ****ed up their own product so now they are penalizing the Beats brand to promote Apple's own self righteous product, whenever they get around to accomplishing what many other companies with FAR LESS R&D budget have already succeeded at, getting audio to both sides at the same time.

If Beats X came out first nobody would buy AirPods, and nobody should because this product is going to suck if you haven't figured that out by now. Tim Cook can't make new things, period, and the "old" things he is in charge of are becoming dissapointing.

You do realize the Beats Solo 3 was available from the launch, and the PowerBeats 3 have been available for a couple of weeks now. The Beats X are basically the same design as the PowerBeats.

The AirPods are a brand new category of headphones neither Apple nor Beats have ever offered before.
 
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