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While I support competition 1000000%, removing NFC from Apple/Google is dumb. You are turning down business actually. That's like saying we only accept Discover Card, not AMEX, VISA, MC, or cash.

Not everyone has Discover Card.

I give it 6 months after CurrentC or whatever its called launches. By then there will be so many Apple Pay and Google Wallet customers out there not supporting these stores that they will see this payment method become like bitcoin... a fad.

STUPID!
 
CurrentC looks stupid as far as user-experience goes. Doesn't Apple have a policy of not allowing apps that compete against their products? Apple should just straight up disallow that CurrentC app from their App store.

It's incredible how bad some companies are at design.. how could any adult come up with something as horrible as CurrentC? Are these companies run by trained monkeys?

If by monkeys you mean business execs...
 
It will be interesting when Walmart, Best Buy, and Target try to sell iPhone 6(+) to customers who can't use their device to pay for merchandise at their stores.

Walmart market cap: $246B
Best Buy: $11.56B
Target: $39.02B
CVS: $98.2B
Rite-Aid: $4.67B

:apple:Cash: $151B

So, if Apple got a bee in its bonnet (and wanted regulatory authorities after them), they could buy 4 of the :apple:Pay "offenders," and would only have to borrow $3B to do it at today's prices.

Or, they could buy a controlling interest in Walmart.

Or, they could put all of those stock in their cart, and when it came time to check out, ask them if they took :apple:Pay, and since they don't, leave them on the counter and walk out.

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While I support competition 1000000%, removing NFC from Apple/Google is dumb. You are turning down business actually. That's like saying we only accept Discover Card, not AMEX, VISA, MC, or cash.

Not everyone has Discover Card.

I give it 6 months after CurrentC or whatever its called launches. By then there will be so many Apple Pay and Google Wallet customers out there not supporting these stores that they will see this payment method become like bitcoin... a fad.

STUPID!
Discover and Diners Club are the only cards we accept at our American Stores. We thought about adding JCB, but went against it.

I remember, back in the 80's, when Visa/MC were taking off, Sears would not take them.

Sears used to be big.
 
Canada

When or is Apple Pay coming to Canada?

Can I use Apple Pay in the US if I am a Canadian?

I like the security of this paint method as well as the potential convenience...
 
Umm, you know Apple didn't make this. You could do this with Android decides for the past 3 years via Google Wallet and NFC-enabled devices as far back as the Galaxy Nexus... Apple didn't invent NFC payments.
And if anybody HAD done this, we would've talked about it then.

Thing is, it wasn't the Almighty Apple doing it back then. So even if people were using it, you wouldn't have heard about it.
 
They might be trained, question is at what? We will soon see how smart these chimps are.

Apple should leave the CurrentC "hack me" app up for a while. Have you read the reviews? Some very creative writers.

The app will never recover from the one star review Avalanche. Basically three things left for MCX executives to do. One very dumb idea, one mediocre idea, and one very shrewd idea.

Idea 1 - (dumb) Continue on with their plans, bury their collective heads in the sand and yes man themselves into a feeble startup with a grinding slow death, followed by some smart hacker steeling the vital information from the handful of smucks, dumb enough to give out all their information. Could be even more precious if it turns out to be an inside job by a CurrentC employee or contractor.

Idea 2 - (mediocre) Correctly read the writing on the wall, comprehending the massive consumer distaste for data mining, and everyone's ever increasing desire for secure data and transaction. And quietly call it quits, execs go back to Walmart, and lay off the balance of the team.

Oh and release all the participating companies that were in on the plan to make an extra 2 to 3 percent profit. You honestly didn't think they meant to pass it on to the consumers, did you? Dangle a few baubles in front of them. Discount some stuff you raised the price on first.

As for the $500K you skimmed off each participating company, well you had overhead, so it's mostly spent already.

Idea 3 (shrewd) You read the handwriting on the wall and see that your hoped for system won't be accepted and worse you will loose some customers. While other customers may decide to charge even more than before.

Now here is the shrewd part. I already give you credit for correctly assessing your dilemma. But now you really show some smarts and get into quiet negotiations with Apple, Visa, Master Card, and American Express. You broker a deal agreeing to back Apple Pay, work with Apple to develope a rewards system separate from Apple Pay that lets consumer option in via blue tooth in the store. You offer incentives that consumers can choose to join or not.

At same time you negotiate with the credit card companies that with your buy in to embrace Apple Pay, with the added security it provides them from fraud to lower the amount they charge you for each transaction.

You turn the whole thing into a win win relationship. With real negotiating they could also get Google Wallet in on the mix, opening up a whole other group of customers eager to embrace the now burgeoning NFC payment system. So what kind of chimps do we have running MCX?

The shrewd approach has some merit. Although they will tag team at different times for their own interests, the credit card companies/banks/merchants all have the same goal of maximizing revenue.

Each entity brings something to the table that can make the other money. While CurrentC in it's proposed format is an abomination, you can understand why merchants want to continue to track customer data and reduce their costs.

If they found a way to keep the good, reward programs/loyalty points that easily work with an Apple Pay/mobile wallet solution that benefits the banks and Apple. (more transactions equal more money) But the banks have to be willing to bend a bit on costs. Once the upfront costs of the POS conversion is complete, theoretically their costs should be significantly lower. Being willing to lower swipe fees would encourage the merchants to give up a little customer data front....or more specifically find a way to more effectively opt in.
 
"Scans a QR Code?"

Found the CurrentC POS Terminal:
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I doubt it. It is virtually cost free to the retailer, unlike Apple Pay/credit cards which is 2-3% of the sales ticket amount. Retailers make very low margins so 3% is huge. Plus only a minority of customers will have an iPhone and even less one with NFC capabilities.

On a side note, can I use paypal at the Apple store?

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Not all credit cards have fraud protection and it will be even less in the future as PINs are required. Credit card processing costs are way too high for retailers. They will do everything they can to avoid it.

Plus if you think your SSN or DL info is secure anyway you are crazy and gullible.
MCX retailers aren't going to get away from accepting CC or Cash so sorry to say....NOT! That's just the fact of the matter. That ship has sailed. They may as well cut their losses with CurrentC and move on to NFC with ApplePay and Google's Wallet. Banks are not even guaranteed to accept MCX and CurrentC debit transactions if they are already invested in NFC technologies. It's generally a bad idea to pick a fight with the companies who control the money.

Just because SSN and DL's aren't completely secure doesn't mean we should make it worse by giving up this information to companies who have proven over and over again that financial information and private personal information security is not their competency.
 
MN currentc

I live in mn and I have never heard of this currentc.

Retailers like Best Buy should be smart and opt out of it. They are already on a downhill spiral.
 
…..It's incredible how bad some companies are at design.. how could any adult come up with something as horrible as CurrentC? Are these companies run by trained monkeys?

Yup. CurrentC looks to have been designed by bean counters who are totally oblivious to customer experience, or privacy of customer data for that matter, and who are totally focussed on skewing the advantages of their payment system towards the retailers. Unless they have an unexpected ace up their sleeve, I can't see MCX gaining any significant traction when it rolls out.

Barring any security breach of ApplePay, which seems highly unlikely at this point, the likes of Walmart, CVS, BestBuy et al, may come to really, really regret these rumored three year lock-ins.
 
This CurrentC service sounds cool, and I downloaded the app for my 5s.

Pardon me? You think its cool that they have the ability to suck money direct from your bank account, and also deny any liability for fraud, and store your SSN and bank details and health data in the one place so that when its hacked its all in easy to read bundle?
 
I was really looking forward to Apple pay and was really hoping for security reasons it would catch on and be usable at most stores but I refuse to use multiple pay systems at multiple locations. Makes me think about going back to all cash transactions....
 
Discover and Diners Club are the only cards we accept at our American Stores. We thought about adding JCB, but went against it.

If you accept Discover/Diner's Club, how can you NOT accept JCB and UnionPay? I thought that their contract covered JCB and UnionPay and that the latter were accepted at all physical Discover merchants in the US?
 
I'd like to think that most iPhone owners wouldn't be seen dead at Walmart, but the weird thing about poverty is that you'll find those who can barely feed their kids who still find a way to have a new phone.

Also: CVS - no Apple Pay and no cigarettes. Walgreens it is, then!

Where I live, it's a lot quicker and more convenient to go to Walmart. Far more selection and better prices. Sucks, but that's how it is. I might start going out of my way more often though. I'd rather help Apple make money than Walmart anyway.
 
CurrentC vs Apple Pay vs Google Wallet is the new "tech wars" for this decade (Mac vs PC in the 90s, Blu-ray vs HD DVD in in the early 2000s, Android vs iOS after that). It will be interesting to see which standard is widely adopted by the mainstream - Apple Pay certainly seems like a favorite at this point.

Only time will tell.

Apple Pay has already won. Samsung doesn't have the fingerprint sensor like apple. And there aren't that many banks praising and marketing Google wallet like Apple Pay. Apple Pay is a big deal. Almost like the iPhone when it first came out. It is as Samsung says it "The Next Big Thing"
 
ARE THEY OUT OF THEIR *********G MINDS!

I learned two decades ago when I was starting out in IT to NEVER use SSN or DL as ID online. Never. No exceptions. That is a recipe for identity theft.

As far as linking it directly to my bank account, no *********g way either. With a credit card you have fraud protection. With your checking account there's none. Somebody can clean you out and you are SOL.

What utter morons designed this POS (and no that's not Point Of Sale).

I'm very relieved that it's so bad and it will be clear to even luddite or generally uniformed consumers that this is against their interests and a major hassle to use. If it were as easy as Apple Pay to use, I WOULD be worried that Apple Pay could get lost in the shuffle.

Besides, don't most consumers know that it's riskier now to use debit cards than credit cards? Especially online. Often costs more too. The merchant does better if you use a debit card but, unless you have unlimited free debits, banks often charge a fee for using debit. I think I can use it 5X a month without being charged. I've never had to pay a fee because I don't use it as debit unless I feel bad for a small business, then I select "debit" and enter my pin.
 
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