This is the first new release of OS X where everything continued to work after upgrading. I have been using Lion as the only operating system on 2 test machines and it is really nice.
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Except one of them is usually right. Guess which.
Apple evangelists tend to have the rights of the argument these days. If someone is going to go on an anti-Apple adventure, they will certainly find little scraps here and there, but it'll be frustrating and irrational for the most part.
Everything is perception? Absolutely.
Until you think 2+2=5.
Thanks, but I don't think that was it. I suspect it may have something to do with the new versioning feature, and I just got caught crossways during the upgrade. Hopefully it's been worked out, or was an anomaly. Started out cautious, by running Lion on a dedicated partition for a few months. Then I got cocky when it ran mostly fine on Dev2.
Got a backup working now, but kind of bummed to have lost my historical backups.
Also a little mystified why I got negative ratings on my original post for just saying what happened to me. I mean, I own a couple of Macs, 3 iPhones (two for testing) multiple ATVs, and like them all. I've even bought Macs and other Apple products for loved ones. But I was giving an honest assessment of what happened to me. I like Lion, I really do. Some really neat features that make it easier, more fun and more efficient to use when it's working correctly. But it still has some rough edges. More so than either Leopard or SL, IMO. I have no doubt they'll get smoothed over soon enough.
It was odd about Apple needing to increase RAM on the machines (what you normally have to do with Microsoft OS releases). What is Lion doing that requires additional RAM (I'm trying to remember a OS X release where Apple needed to up the RAM on machines at the stores)?
As long as everything is running well on Snow Leopard you should be good with drivers on Lion (it was Snow Leopard that they changed the driver architecture).
As far as early adopter, you could always wait until they release .1 or .2 updates (where they get the must fix items that weren't visible until general release) or you could dive in and experience things as soon as possible.
As long as everything is running well on Snow Leopard you should be good with drivers on Lion (it was Snow Leopard that they changed the driver architecture).
As far as early adopter, you could always wait until they release .1 or .2 updates (where they get the must fix items that weren't visible until general release) or you could dive in and experience things as soon as possible.
If you think the ipad is anywhere close to the performance of a core 2 cpu you need to learn a little more about cpu architecture especially Out of order execution. The Ipad 2 is no where close to the core 2 duo yet. Its not even close to the atom yet which is miles behind a core 2.
Okay, now its a group of people telling you that you are wrong.
I guess then I have to weigh in on the side of the guy that you all are already calling a troll.
I run Lion GM on my 27" iMac i5 as my everyday OS, and it causes problems that I did not have with Snow Leopard.
The OS itself does not crash, however, it causes several applications that ran stable on Snow Leopard to crash. Among them Apple's own Aperture, Pulp, Steam (Steam alone crashed about a dozen times today alone while it was downloading games) and Firefox. Basically, everything that opens a couple of network connections appears to be very crash prone on Lion -- my guess is that Lion's networking subsystem is not nearly as mature as it should be.
I also find the "new" Finder to be very ugly and even more annoying than the old Finder already was. Lion's Finder just loves to screw around with how it displays the contents of a folder; it's never consistent in its behavior and it also forgets the folder's last view. It's not a showstopper, but it sucks nonetheless.
Also, it sometimes takes several seconds before Lion even begins to launch an application. Even on old G4 Macs, I've never seen that behavior in OS X.
And not having Rosetta anymore also sucks. I've got a bunch of old PowerPC-only games here that no longer run, Return To Castle Wolfenstein being my favorite (and I can't get this open source client to work on Lion). Just as they did with Java, they should have kept a legacy version on their download servers for the customers who might still need it.
The good news is, that even Photoshop CS3 and Office 2008 can be installed and run without a single problem on Lion. That was much more problematic with the Dot Zero-release of Snow Leopard.
So Lion does not have any real showstoppers, but it has a bunch of bugs and quirks. For an Apple dot zero release, Lion is surprisingly compatible and stable.
Nice that you've taken one sentence from my post, ignored the rest, and replied out-of-context with what is more or less gibberish.
I hope that Lion is ready and roaring right out of the gate. Hopefully there won't be too many bugs.
You guys...
I know this has been said more than once on here already, but I figure if all the people that are trashing something that doesn't even exist to the public yet, had even a sense of logic, maybe the more people that tell them the same thing, the more they will believe.
I've been running Lion since DP2, and now I have the GM version. Don't get me wrong, it started off with a lot of problems, but what new operating system doesn't? Now I have the GM version, and it is miles ahead of DP2. And to be honest, just since you don't want to seem to believe anyone else (this is for you, you trolls) I have not had one issue with it. Sure sometimes it runs a little slow, or it has a quirky thing here or there, but we're talking about a completely finished operating system here. If you were running a yet to be release version of Windows, imagine what kind of problems you would have with it. Oh wait, you would still be having those problems after Service Pack 3, running an OS conceived in 2001.
Sure, FCPX was a 'disaster' of sorts, but it was completely rewritten. Don't take that as verbatim of what Lion will be when it comes out. It's really smooth, and for the public, upgrades will go over without a hitch. So if you aren't or haven't been running any of the developer previews or the GM, don't trash the thing based off history. That's just damn wrong. It's a good piece of software, ready for the public, that will hardly disappoint anyone.
I know this has been said more than once on here already, but I figure if all the people that are trashing something that doesn't even exist to the public yet, had even a sense of logic, maybe the more people that tell them the same thing, the more they will believe.
I've been running Lion since DP2, and now I have the GM version. Don't get me wrong, it started off with a lot of problems, but what new operating system doesn't? Now I have the GM version, and it is miles ahead of DP2. And to be honest, just since you don't want to seem to believe anyone else (this is for you, you trolls) I have not had one issue with it. Sure sometimes it runs a little slow, or it has a quirky thing here or there, but we're talking about a completely finished operating system here. If you were running a yet to be release version of Windows, imagine what kind of problems you would have with it. Oh wait, you would still be having those problems after Service Pack 3, running an OS conceived in 2001.
Sure, FCPX was a 'disaster' of sorts, but it was completely rewritten. Don't take that as verbatim of what Lion will be when it comes out. It's really smooth, and for the public, upgrades will go over without a hitch. So if you aren't or haven't been running any of the developer previews or the GM, don't trash the thing based off history. That's just damn wrong. It's a good piece of software, ready for the public, that will hardly disappoint anyone.
Sunday would make sense: July 10 --> 10.7, the version number of the OS.
However, July 14 probably makes even more sense in Steve Jobs' universe: July 14, 1789, was the day the French revolutionists stormed the Bastille, and it is still the French national day.
Ahhh, I don't think he is. I've been running the Gold Master since it came out and it certainly has issues. Some are obviously minor bugs that can be lived with but Battery life and resource use seem significantly worse than SL.
Of course the Shipping version might not be exactly the same version as the GM but if it is I would hold out for 10.7.1
I always hold my breath when I upgrade. Something always gets broken with work stuff, and I often have no choice because some of the stuff is obscure enough you can't find anyone reporting if it works or not.
Hope F5 SSL VPN doesn't break.
Also, with Snow Leopard Apple removed a bunch of things from the developer tools, like git, so my environment broke and I had to scramble to get it patched up.
Hope F5 SSL VPN doesn't break.
Also, with Snow Leopard Apple removed a bunch of things from the developer tools, like git, so my environment broke and I had to scramble to get it patched up.
*LTD* has a good point here. Fans of something hate it when the thing they are a fan of has it's flaws pointed out. So the general crowd here will be pretty hostile to anyone who points out Apple's flaws. It's called personal bias. You can not escape it wherever you go.
I have to say Apple's 10.X.0 releases. Where X= 2-6 have all been very solid usable releases. No real reason to old back on them. Mind you 10.5.0 had a few really dumb ideas like dock folders only stacking as a stack with no folder view option. Etc etc. And they were for the most part fixed by 10.5.2
So Apple's 10.X.0 releases are very good. And usable. And the 10.X.Y (where Y is > 0) have been better. No 1 step forward and 5 steps back like the whole Vista debacle.
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And another point. If you're going to downrate (or comment negatively) on *LTD*'s posts please read them first. Cause some are not so hot but some are really good.
If you of all people can confirm it's decent, then release day will be like eating a bacon cheeseburger, wrapped in bacon, with an extra side of bacon, with none of the health impact.
Lion Can wait
release the MB, MBA and Mac Mini refreshes already!
Lion is a free upgrade and $30 retail, i do not think that is deciding factor.
something fishy going on the MBA refreshes ...
one has wonder what apple thinking about Intel and its IGPU but AMD's new APU are not that powerful as well.
AMD's APUs are ok in MB 13" and MBP 13" not OK in MBA that will under power MBA even more though AMD IGPU is better than HD3000 intel IGPU.
release the MB, MBA and Mac Mini refreshes already!
Lion is a free upgrade and $30 retail, i do not think that is deciding factor.
something fishy going on the MBA refreshes ...
one has wonder what apple thinking about Intel and its IGPU but AMD's new APU are not that powerful as well.
AMD's APUs are ok in MB 13" and MBP 13" not OK in MBA that will under power MBA even more though AMD IGPU is better than HD3000 intel IGPU.
Actually I use CS5 on a professional basis, however the time at which I upgrade is not linked to version numbers but to the completion of a job. So, again, what are the functions you're performing which are at risk from 10.7.0 but will be safe at 10.7.1, or are you just playing the 'everything I do is of critical national security' game to pretend you're somehow more 'pro' that the rest of us?
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Just wanna add my two cents: I used Tiger and Snow Leopard on their respective release days. I would have done the same with Leopard if I hadn't been so broke at the time. I hear all these people talk about the problems they have but I experienced none. (I experienced problems, but I have never used any platform devoid of those.)
I'll likely be using Lion pretty close to the day of its release.
With that said, one of my main concerns has been the physical media issue. I do not trust OS upgrades from anyone. When a new version comes out I do a wipe and reinstall.
Looks like that's not much of a problem:
http://subrosasoft.com/blog/2011/07/create-a-bootable-mac-os-x-10-7-lion-flash-drive/
Figured I'd contribute something other than fanboy nonsense and the trolling that's all over this thread.
I'll likely be using Lion pretty close to the day of its release.
With that said, one of my main concerns has been the physical media issue. I do not trust OS upgrades from anyone. When a new version comes out I do a wipe and reinstall.
Looks like that's not much of a problem:
http://subrosasoft.com/blog/2011/07/create-a-bootable-mac-os-x-10-7-lion-flash-drive/
Figured I'd contribute something other than fanboy nonsense and the trolling that's all over this thread.