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Uh . . . what?

What part of this:

We've now been able to confirm that Apple Retail stores have begun receiving final copies of OS X Lion today. The installations have come on hard drive and are meant for the Apple Retail demo computers in the store floor. This, of course, doesn't guarantee a specific launch date, but brings Apple one step closer to launch.

Implies this:


Isn't this tantamount to admitting that the Icloud

and the Apple Application Store is a failure?

Why would Apple insist that customers download 10.7 from the network, but send physical copies to their own stores?

The mind boggles at the duplicity.

:confused:

It's not tantamount to anything.

The "cloud" is a failure if consumers can't download 10.7 from the Mac App Store. 10.7 is not yet on the Mac App Store.

There is no duplicity. But as usual, there sure is a helluva lot of absurdity, and not from Apple.
 
OK, question for your Dudes in-the-know.

I have a copy of the GM. If I install this on my Mac Pro, will it be recognized as legitimate for future Software Updates?

No guesses! I'd appreciate a definitive answer (if that's possible.)
 
Decent idea for vast majority, but terrible thing for minority does not = a good idea. If it were a huge improvement for the vast majority and did not make things harder for anyone, then I would agree. But the point is they are saying how there is NO need for physical media...except when it comes to installing on their own computers.

Apple’s a company. This method of distribution is cost effective for them, providing two methods of distribution, or even just physical distribution won’t help their profit margin.

Yes, this will be frustrating for some people who do need physical media, but Apple doesn’t care as long as it’s making a healthy profit — which it will be. I’m not saying this is the right choice for everyone, I’m saying this is the right choice for most people + shareholders.
 
Correct

I imagine that it's actually a disk image of Lion tailored for the retail experience, with a few iTunes tracks, pictures, videos and the concierge thing that all the demo Mac's get refreshed with every night. It'll be less effort for the tech guys in the Apple stores just to swap a drive in the store's server than to have to initiate, monitor and execute a download.

Purely speculation on my behalf though, just adding my thoughts to your own.


You are absolutely correct. These are complete computer images. They include not only the OS but all the demo applications, music, movies, demo files video and audio files for all the iApps and ProApps. The entire thing. They are also a physical backup in case a floor machine gets stolen or goes belly up and a new machine is neded to replace it. The OS is really inconsequential to it all. It's the demo files that are the bulk of it. Anyone who suggests that Apple should simply download Lion to it's thousands of retail computers at all retail stores in one night has no idea how retail (Apple or otherwise) works.

Also, as a side note, Apple Store demo computers only need to be restarted and they are back to store opening freshness. No hard drives needed to reinstall each night. I fact, the computers restart themselves. A nifty little trick. MUCH better than the manual way of daily refreshing demo machines back in the early days of Apple Retail.
 
Build #?

Can any Apple employees chime in and give us the build number of the image stores are receiving? I can confirm drives have hit some stores, but build # is still unknown (probably installing after close tonight!)... :D
 
So Apple retail stores, in urban shopping areas, can't download a hard drive's worth of apps? Well if so, then now they know how some users feel constrained by poor internet connections. It doesn't change the point at all.
It normally is downloaded. :rolleyes:
 
Can any Apple employees chime in and give us the build number of the image stores are receiving? I can confirm drives have hit some stores, but build # is still unknown (probably installing after close tonight!)... :D

I wonder about this as well. I'll assume that it's no different than the GM.
 
Seriously? Downloading Lion from the App Store and installing it on that machine is fine for the average user. The average user does not need to install an operating system on 20+ computers at once right before store opening.

These are different situations entirely. Different situations require different means. This is in no way “hypocrisy."

This is major hypocrisy!!!:mad::mad: Why don't they try their own servers and see how the whole on-line upgrade process goes without the fanboy distortion field??
 
OK, question for your Dudes in-the-know.

I have a copy of the GM. If I install this on my Mac Pro, will it be recognized as legitimate for future Software Updates?

No guesses! I'd appreciate a definitive answer (if that's possible.)
All I can give is an educated guess based on previous GM installs.

Unless Apple tweaked the final build number on release, it "should" be recognized as a legitimate install.
 
Apple should release this as OS X 10.6.9. Nothing exactly 'evolutionary' about OS X Lion to warrant it as a full release (other than its price).

Apple's been paying way too much attention to its iOS platform and forgotten about pretty much everyone/everything else. Where is TRIM support for real SSD drives? Why are iMacs using crappy mobile GPUs? Why do Mac Pros still have a poor selection of graphics card, backwards compatibility issues and no support for SLI or Crossfire? Where is Bluray support? Why is iTunes still bloatware and not called iMedia? Why is Expose being fixed when it was never broken (expanded view of all windows, NOT groups)? ETC. ETC. ETC.

Its 1 step forward, two steps backwards with Mac computers now... I'm getting tired of this.
 
OK, question for your Dudes in-the-know.

I have a copy of the GM. If I install this on my Mac Pro, will it be recognized as legitimate for future Software Updates?

No guesses! I'd appreciate a definitive answer (if that's possible.)

A GM is the retail build. I have installed many GM in the past, and updates will happen as if it were a retail purchase...
 
Apple should release this as OS X 10.6.9. Nothing exactly 'evolutionary' about OS X Lion to warrant it as a full release (other than its price).

Apple's been paying way too much attention to its iOS platform and forgotten about pretty much everyone/everything else. Where is TRIM support for real SSD drives? Why are iMacs using crappy mobile GPUs? Why do Mac Pros still have a poor selection of graphics card, backwards compatibility issues and no support for SLI or Crossfire? Where is Bluray support? Why is iTunes still bloatware and not called iMedia? Why is Expose being fixed when it was never broken (expanded view of all windows, NOT groups)? ETC. ETC. ETC.

Its 1 step forward, two steps backwards with Mac computers now... I'm getting tired of this.

There will be TRIM support in Lion, calm down man. It's not as bad it seems, get ready for the Lion to be finally uncaged and appreciate it! :rolleyes:
 
This is major hypocrisy!!!:mad::mad: Why don't they try their own servers and see how the whole on-line upgrade process goes without the fanboy distortion field??

The HD they receive has over 20GB of data on it, and multiple builds/installs (demo install, registers, family room/employee, etc), combined with Pro Apps and media. Doesn't make sense for every machine/terminal to download it.
 
Not sure if serious... I’ll answer nonetheless.

No. People who want to do such a thing are in the vast minority. Apple serves the interest of the majority of it’s users.

So educational establishments and businesses are in the vast minority? You're way off the mark here in my opinion. I look after 100 or so Macs that will be getting Lion. I'm also in consultation with at least 8 of the other main educational establishments in a 50 mile radius with similar requirements. And that's only the ones I know of personally. You are looking at this from a consumer point of view only it seems. No offence.
 
Seriously? Downloading Lion from the App Store and installing it on that machine is fine for the average user. The average user does not need to install an operating system on 20+ computers at once right before store opening.

These are different situations entirely. Different situations require different means. This is in no way “hypocrisy."

Why not take this image that sits on the harddrive and make it remotely available. The store can download a single copy of this image and push it down to all there machines simultaneously. Even walking around with a hard drive and imaging 20+ machines seems inefficient.
 
I wonder about this as well. I'll assume that it's no different than the GM.

certainly some quirky/little issues are/will be resolved..

quicktime- play something new and the previous clip/movies open up...

itunes..... no manual editing as to artwork/track/album info to be manually changed? eish papi

my bad?

:(
 
There will be TRIM support in Lion, calm down man. It's not as bad it seems, get ready for the Lion to be finally uncaged and appreciate it! :rolleyes:

Its bad. Also, that only solves ONE issue, and its STILL not solved. Windows 7 has had TRIM support for two years now. Wheres OS X??

What about all the other issues?
 
You know Steve said you could download Lion at a store, how does that work if you've got an iMac...? Or, doesn't it?
 
You know Steve said you could download Lion at a store, how does that work if you've got an iMac...? Or, doesn't it?

Yeah, bring your computer (desktop even) and conveniently spend/waste a few hours for the download to go through.

Think different.
 
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