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You think the only people interested in this are single users for their homes???? Plenty of people are going to want to install it on 20+ computers overnight.

So you're suggesting Apple release it on hard drive? Yeah, that makes sense.
 
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We've now been able to confirm that Apple Retail stores have begun receiving final copies of OS X Lion today. The installations have come on hard drive and are meant for the Apple Retail demo computers in the store floor. This, of course, doesn't guarantee a specific launch date, but brings Apple one step closer to launch.

Confirmed? What's the source? Or has it already been mentioned?
 
Meow!

Once this beast is released it will roar like a pussycat. It's been like this ever since, and I'm one of those early adopters from hardware to software and I never learned. Don't get me wrong it will get mature and it will roar like a king of the jungle. But this time I'll wait because I'm scared that some of my applications might not be compatible. ;);)
 
Why not take this image that sits on the harddrive and make it remotely available. The store can download a single copy of this image and push it down to all there machines simultaneously. Even walking around with a hard drive and imaging 20+ machines seems inefficient.

Who said they aren't putting the HD as a central image? Heck, they probably have TB running to a hub so they image all computer off the 1 HD sitting somewhere in their back rooms so they can image at full TB speed (limited by HD speed of computer). I don't see this as hypocrisy. Any sensible IT person would tell you this is most efficient way(mass deployment), both time and money. I will have no problem downloading it for my iMac and up dating and would rather do so than get the physical disk. I make SD boot disks anyways, now THAT I wish apple would use.
 
So just wondering, why is the Mac mini getting the refresh first?

It's always felt like it's been the neglected child, especially during that long gap before the unibody came out (and rumors were it was going to be killed off). And maybe now too with the iPad stealing the show at $499...
 
I've been running 10.7 11A511 24/7 since it was released and no crashes here.
Almost the same here. It's been on my Air 24/7 since it was released, and my mini for the past week. No crashes here either!

Your statement about it always crashing on some Macs is funny though... :rolleyes:
It's funny cuz it's true. :rolleyes: :D
 
My local Apple Store gets ~25Mbps which would take about 20 minutes.

Assuming you reach theoretical speeds, assuming the wifi signal is at 100%, assuming nothing else is being downloaded, assuming its not throttled, assuming assuming assuming etc etc etc.
 
Yeah, I am awaiting the general comments of "Lion is the worst OS ever! Why did Apple remove the ____ feature? <Insert additional snarky comment about being able to write better software despite not being an engineer.> Lion is clear proof Apple only cares about the iPhones. These hipster kids and their iOS devices. When I was a nerd back in the 80's, Apple was a rebel company who cared about their users. Now they sold out and are like Microsoft."

This would make sense if The iOS users didn't outnumber their OSX users by about 10 to 1, so they are obviously catering to their users. Ah, you mean they won't kowtow to a handful of silly "purists" who want things to stay the same forever, like the people who complained about the shift away from MacOS 9.
 
Isn't this tantamount to admitting that the Icloud and the Apple Application Store is a failure?

Why would Apple insist that customers download 10.7 from the network, but send physical copies to their own stores?

The mind boggles at the duplicity.
Maybe the version on the hard drive has additions?

Perhaps it's a retail store build with demonstration software, sample content (movies, TV shows, music, dummy address books, dummy calendars, dummy e-mail inbox, dummy photo albums), in-store applications like the Genius Bar reservation tool, maybe the presentation when the Macs go into Kiosk mode after certain amount of idle time.

Maybe the OS version is identical with the Gold Master, however all the add-ons make it very unwieldy to download. Also, one might imagine that the hard drive is part of a larger shipment of Lion-related marketing collateral (signage, etc.).
 
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Unified ecosystems sporting a unified user experience definitely looks like the way things are going. Apple is doing it with iOS / OSX & MS is doing it with Windows 8 in phones, tablets, pc's, tv's, etc..

If that makes you sick to your stomach you better get a closet full of Gravol.

The stereotype of OS X being a toy/not a real computer stems from some truth. The transition to iOS from OS X is going to further this 'truth'

I have NO desire to use a dumbed down/watered down operating system that cripples a REAL desktop computing experience. Keep iOS on mobile devices, leave real computers the way they are.
 
To the people complaining already about server/download issues of something not even out yet, Simmer down naw! Why do you think apple bought that kagallion dollar Data Center. And they need to bring awareness to the Mac App Store so this is why it is coming through there instead of physical disc.
 
Any chance Apple can send us a digital T-Shirt with the download. Still got my Leopard shirt somewhere (doesn't fit though cos I've got fatter)

I still have my Panther t-shirt (October 2003). It's like my longest t-shirt so I really like wearing it, good quality too, still only the prints have chipped, no other signs of wear. Leopard one is much tighter fitting. The little Tiger 'spotlight' was never really used.

Still looking forward to the release, although I feel the hype and suspense really ended after what should have been the release on the 14th - I don't think the feeling from that thread will be topped.
 
IMO the "Server" add-on is a joke. The Server Admin Tools for Lion have been provided to devs as a separate download the entire time, it's normally a suite of tools that are included in "OS X Server", and Server.app is the result of the entire server OS being hit with a giant nerf bat. It's been dumbed down from something like Windows Server to Windows Home Server, which is the apparent target audience, except for the fact that now there is no enterprise-class equivalent like there is with Windows. I'm not starting some Mac vs. PC flame war, it's just the only thing I can compare it to.

OS X was omitted from the WWDC design awards in 2010, and now in 2011, there was no Enterprise track (so I've heard). Add on the cancellation of the Xserve and taken as a whole (Xserve shortcomings or not), it's unfortunately not that surprising, but for me, it's a shame. It really comes off as being an afterthought in use.

Side note: Something really small, but is the icing on the fruitcake, is the fact that when I went to "About this Mac", it doesn't even say "OS X Server", just "OS X".. boo.
 
I'm new to Mac and Snow Leopard, so I'm really excited to test the new system. Hope to test it this week.
 
Multiple Macs

If I have multiple Macs at home, is there a way for me to download it once, and then have the other machines point to the first one to get it from there?

I realize I don't need to buy it more than once (same account) but hopefully I only need to download it once too.
 
Assuming you reach theoretical speeds, assuming the wifi signal is at 100%, assuming nothing else is being downloaded, assuming its not throttled, assuming assuming assuming etc etc etc.

That's the speed it said when it was downloading an iOS software update (genius bar) and at various points doing speed tests... I know it'll vary though. However, it is still exponentially faster than my internet and so that's why I wondered if it was possible :)
 
The stereotype of OS X being a toy/not a real computer stems from some truth. The transition to iOS from OS X is going to further this 'truth'

I have NO desire to use a dumbed down/watered down operating system that cripples a REAL desktop computing experience. Keep iOS on mobile devices, leave real computers the way they are.

What exactly about Lion is watered down exactly?

The UI has been refined.
Finder has been re-written.
Spotlight has been re-written.
New Mail (which I've yet to see a single complaint about it's design)
PPC code removed (in many ways this is a good thing, though the lack of Diablo II will be frankly, painful)
 
Apple's download speed

You know what would be really fun... downloading it over 256K DSL... that's what my parents had until last year when I convinced them to upgrade to 1.5 Megabit.

I like how it's so simple now too...
Step 1. Install Snow Leopard
Step 2. Download Lion
Step 3. Instal-- WAIT A MINUTE, THERE ISN'T SUPPOSED TO BE A STEP 3!!!

I downloaded th 1 GB combined Mac OS 10.6.8 update the day it came out. My download speed was in the 1.5 - 1.7 MB/sec range. Just to test their speed a couple of days ago at 2 AM CDT I downloaded it again using both Safari & Chrome. Its speed varied from just over 200 KB/sec to about 270 KB/sec. Usually Apple has been in the 1 MB/sec range.

The above information does not bode well for the massive number of 4 GB downloads that will be needed to be done. My first test indicated that it would take 1.33 - 1.5 hours for the download. These second set of numbers indicated that the actual time may be in an 8 - 12 hour download timeframe. And I have a fairly fast cable connection. I'll have to download more than once if history replays itself with large downloads.

If we have to download once per Mac we have the system will look to be really stressed. We'll see what happens within the next 2 weeks.
 
If I have multiple Macs at home, is there a way for me to download it once, and then have the other machines point to the first one to get it from there?

I realize I don't need to buy it more than once (same account) but hopefully I only need to download it once too.

Download.

Show Package Contents>Contents>SharedSupport>InstallESD.dmg

Restore this DMG to a USB drive. :)
 
If I have multiple Macs at home, is there a way for me to download it once, and then have the other machines point to the first one to get it from there?

I realize I don't need to buy it more than once (same account) but hopefully I only need to download it once too.

Yes, there are multiple articles (check the blog posts on the right side of the front page of MacRumors - they posted how to do it earlier today.)

You can also copy it to a USB hard disk, or thumb drive. You can even do a clean install from a DVD, Thumb drive, or USB disk.

Most MIS / Office / School installations with more than a handful of Macs are using this method to speed up the upgrade process.
 
Yes, there are multiple articles (check the blog posts on the right side of the front page of MacRumors - they posted how to do it earlier today.)

You can also copy it to a USB hard disk, or thumb drive. You can even do a clean install from a DVD, Thumb drive, or USB disk.

Most MIS / Office / School installations with more than a handful of Macs are using this method to speed up the upgrade process.

I think we're rolling it out via NetBoot/NetRestore, as we have over 200 Macs where I work :)
 
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