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Apple Retail Stores Receive Golden Master Copies of OS X Lion

phalseHUD said:
So educational establishments and businesses are in the vast minority? You're way off the mark here in my opinion. I look after 100 or so Macs that will be getting Lion. I'm also in consultation with at least 8 of the other main educational establishments in a 50 mile radius with similar requirements. And that's only the ones I know of personally. You are looking at this from a consumer point of view only it seems. No offence.
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Surely you know by know that traditional imaging methods work with Lion and you won't be downloading 4.7GB over the Internet through each machine you plan on upgrading? :eek:

shareef777 said:
Why not take this image that sits on the harddrive and make it remotely available. The store can download a single copy of this image and push it down to all there machines simultaneously. Even walking around with a hard drive and imaging 20+ machines seems inefficient.
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Stores normally download images. Apple normally makes them available in advance, and if it contains something that's not shipping yet, they password protect it so that stores can download it and not play with it until the last minute, when Apple emails the store leaders the passwords. The image gets copied to multiple hard drives and then taken on the floor. I'm sure they'll duplicate this HDD and not just be imaging from one.
 
The best are going to be the billion post threads about "oh god, why did the scroll wheel change direction?!?!!11?!?".
 
wikus said:
Apple should release this as OS X 10.6.9. Nothing exactly 'evolutionary' about OS X Lion to warrant it as a full release (other than its price).

Apple's been paying way too much attention to its iOS platform and forgotten about pretty much everyone/everything else. Where is TRIM support for real SSD drives? Why are iMacs using crappy mobile GPUs? Why do Mac Pros still have a poor selection of graphics card, backwards compatibility issues and no support for SLI or Crossfire? Where is Bluray support? Why is iTunes still bloatware and not called iMedia? Why is Expose being fixed when it was never broken (expanded view of all windows, NOT groups)? ETC. ETC. ETC.

Its 1 step forward, two steps backwards with Mac computers now... I'm getting tired of this.
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It should've been apparent since the launch of iPad that Apple's future is iOS, not Mac OS. I wouldn't be surprised if the next Mac OS will simply be a version of iOS. Lion is the first step in that direction.
 
Samsumac said:
This is major hypocrisy!!!:mad::mad: Why don't they try their own servers and see how the whole on-line upgrade process goes without the fanboy distortion field??
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I'm guessing your kidding, but if you're not, I'm assuming you're not aware of companies such as Akamai. ;)
 
Porco said:
So Apple retail stores, in urban shopping areas, can't download a hard drive's worth of apps(/demos whatever)? Well if so, then now they know how some users feel constrained by poor internet connections. It doesn't change the point at all.
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Why pay a group of employees to sit around and nurse downloads when you can send one guy around with a Thunderbolt (speculation on my part) external drive and drop the image on in a matter of seconds and then send them off to do other things like build displays?

Store operations aren't really related to delivery mechanisms that the public should use. There is no reason for them to waste time and money if they can avoid it, which consequently, is also what digital delivery to consumers is about. Sounds like consistency to me.
 
If it's releasing Wednesday, I guess we'll see Mossberg/Pogue/ars.technica/Engadget/et. al. "official reviews" popping up tonight?
 
Sweeeeeeet. Finally Ive been anxiously waiting for this and I just got 8 GB of Ram for my Mac and it should be arriving Thursday :D This will definitely be a pretty exciting week (tech wise)

EDIT: I been also thinking bout getting the Trackpad just so I can make use of the multitouch gestures. You guys think its worth getting?
 
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i am not so optimistic I think but my guess is that there will be so many crashes of the new Lion that I prefer to wait and see...
later I will update, I still have some apps that are not Lion friendly...
 
Supernew said:
i am not so optimistic I think but my guess is that there will be so many crashes of the new Lion that I prefer to wait and see...
later I will update, I still have some apps that are not Lion friendly...
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Every Mac OS update that's come out since I've had a Mac (Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard) has crashed/caused problems on some Macs. Lion's going to do the same thing, for sure.
 
Features?

Where are the special features? Full screen is a feature? I've been using Photoshop full screen for years. I don't need an app starter that's what finder is for. I hardly ever use Dashboard so whatever new is cooked up there, well I prolly won't use it either, too many clicks. Versions is nice but that's just another thing that's already build into the OS, they just put a nice GUI face on it and made it easy to use. I don't see the features with this release.

They should really get their collective heads out of the locked down "operating system" that is iOS because it's not "real," just something thrown together with a touch screen and app icons filling screen after screen, after screen and screen after that.... Not to mention the privacy issues.
 
Supernew said:
i am not so optimistic I think but my guess is that there will be so many crashes of the new Lion that I prefer to wait and see...
later I will update, I still have some apps that are not Lion friendly...
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I do this with every 'major' release of OS X. I didnt upgrade to Snow Leopard until 10.6.4
 
davjaxn said:
You are absolutely correct. These are complete computer images. They include not only the OS but all the demo applications, music, movies, demo files video and audio files for all the iApps and ProApps. The entire thing. They are also a physical backup in case a floor machine gets stolen or goes belly up and a new machine is neded to replace it. The OS is really inconsequential to it all. It's the demo files that are the bulk of it. Anyone who suggests that Apple should simply download Lion to it's thousands of retail computers at all retail stores in one night has no idea how retail (Apple or otherwise) works.

Also, as a side note, Apple Store demo computers only need to be restarted and they are back to store opening freshness. No hard drives needed to reinstall each night. I fact, the computers restart themselves. A nifty little trick. MUCH better than the manual way of daily refreshing demo machines back in the early days of Apple Retail.
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This system has changed. Recently Apple switched to a new system, pushing demo content from a store server to the demo machines. The store server gets its content from an Apple server.
 
AidenShaw said:
Isn't this tantamount to admitting that the Icloud and the Apple Application Store is a failure?

Why would Apple insist that customers download 10.7 from the network, but send physical copies to their own stores?

The mind boggles at the duplicity.
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Three words: se cur ity
 
iSee said:
Three words: se cur ity
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We actually had hard drives stolen in transit before. We had netboot servers in our store to image the Genius Room and BOH Machines. It would be just as easy to VPN into the BOH network and upload the netboot images to the FOH netboot server.
 
aristobrat said:
Every Mac OS update that's come out since I've had a Mac (Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard) has crashed/caused problems on some Macs. Lion's going to do the same thing, for sure.
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I've been running 10.7 11A511 24/7 since it was released and no crashes here. Your statement about it always crashing on some Macs is funny though... :rolleyes:
 
Supernew said:
i am not so optimistic I think but my guess is that there will be so many crashes of the new Lion that I prefer to wait and see...
later I will update, I still have some apps that are not Lion friendly...
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yep, wait, amongst some older ppc stuff, now where to go with the/ose? how many systems must on maintain? WTF?

......."reception is hazy"............
 
wikus said:
That makes me sick to my stomach.
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Unified ecosystems sporting a unified user experience definitely looks like the way things are going. Apple is doing it with iOS / OSX & MS is doing it with Windows 8 in phones, tablets, pc's, tv's, etc..

If that makes you sick to your stomach you better get a closet full of Gravol.
 
wikus said:
Yeah, bring your computer (desktop even) and conveniently spend/waste a few hours for the download to go through.

Think different.
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jbyun04 said:
Mac App Store.
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My local Apple Store gets ~25Mbps which would take about 20 minutes, if I do it at home it would take around 13 hours, probably more.

Can you just download it on one of theirs, whack it on a hard drive, and then leave and do it all at home...?
 
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