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Apple Retail Stores Seeing Significant Layoffs of Recent Hires?

kirby2012 said:
I worked for them for 5 years and this is irresponsible HR work at its finest. If Apple sees something coming in the next months, they would have anticipated it before hiring people. By the way, if something is coming in a few months time to change things greatly, then they can fire people then.
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You're not making sense.

If you had ever run a business, you would know that you react the moment you obtain new information. You wouldn't wait until the new circumstances fully materialize.

kirby2012 said:
This is nothing to do with fears of the economy, it's just a new management team cutting costs and trying to make themselves look good to corporate. They don't have the companies interests at heart, I promise you.
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Pure speculation. And your promise doesn't mean a lot to me.

-t
 
kirby2012 said:
This is nothing to do with fears of the economy, it's just a new management team cutting costs and trying to make themselves look good to corporate. They don't have the companies interests at heart, I promise you.
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You're probably right. Business starters tend to have more respect for their workers than some middle manager MBA white collar scumbag that just "manages" what someone else creates.

What's the first thing a non-creative, risk averse manager thinks to do? Shrink "overhead" and report bigger profits, not how to create something better.

Either way, no one is assured a job in a free market.
 
tech4all said:
Nothing to do with a running a 'charity.' He's saying that it's bad enough to be working a retail job at a low wage. I've worked retail and considering what you have to deal with; suck up managers to kiss customers a$$es and think their job is what it's all about; dealing with equally idiotic customers who think their better than you. Yes retail is a lot of work for little pay. After my experiences with retail, I would never do it again.

If you've never worked retail, you have no idea how ruthless it can be considering how little it pays.
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My god you entitled little whiners need your asses kicked. Did someone hold a gun to your head to take that retail job? How did you become a victim of "the retail job"? Why don't you take some responsibility and improve yourself so you an improve your job. You don't need a college education. All you need is the willpower to make a change in yourself. Stop blaming the world for your lack of effort.
 
kirby2012 said:
If Apple sees something coming in the next months, they would have anticipated it before hiring people.
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Exactly. And if "the Olympics" is the root cause, then Apple should have been forthright in declaring that these were temporary jobs to deal with an event.

No one should have been surprised that her job ended with the Olympics.
 
iPadPublisher said:
I am so fed up with people who say this. Unless you knew the man personally, or we're privy the countless hours of conversation that took place in his office on a daily basis, you barely have a leg to stand on with such obnoxious comments.
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U can't take a joke can you?

Please leave this forum and never come back.


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terraphantm said:
+100. Going to the Apple store is usually my last resort. Always end up staying an hour or so longer than I should have to. Last time I tried an in store pickup, it literlaly took them 1.5 hours to "find" my iPhone (while I saw walkins buy them with no issue). And at my last genius bar appointment, I waited about 40 minutes past my reservation time before anyone saw me.
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You're visiting it wrong...
 
bobriot said:
Just seen a youtube of Browett, met his type before. Apple retail are boned.

"I know the squealers when I see them, and.."
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Your post got me curious, so I watched one of the youtube vids of him talking his "Fives" selling strategy......ughh. Typical corporate MBA **** advocating tricking people into buying things they don't need or want. Apple does not need this.

For an example of how to really run a great retail operation, John should watch the following video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLTNfIaL5YI
 
EmbraceNext said:
Tim Cook makes $52 million a year. No human deserves or needs that much money per year. He could be perfectly fine on half that ...
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But would Apple be perfectly fine without Cook because some other company lured him away with a bigger pay package? Note that Browett would be in line for the job as new CEO of Apple if Cook left. How wonderful that would be?
 
This situation has existed in Australia for a while.
My daughter worked for the flagship Apple store in Sydney last year, and was one of a subtantial number of people laid off just shy of 3 months' employment.
Under our law I think it's harder to get rid of someone after 3 months.
It's odd, considering that they have a very elaborate and time-consuming recruitment process.
So a lot of effort goes into giving someone a job, then they're gone.
 
For those of you in the US and elsewhere in The world, Dixons is a British retailer for high end audiophile equipment and near professional video and camera gear. In later years they expanded into bespoke computer hardware and systems integration. For many years they have been renowned for their high level of service and the deep knowledge of their staff, generally recruiting directly fom Britain's top universities. In the UK. It almost considered axiomatic that if you want to see the future one should just visit Dixons, or Currys where you can by a washing machine or a toaster.

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iPadPublisher said:
I am so fed up with people who say this. Unless you knew the man personally, or we're privy the countless hours of conversation that took place in his office on a daily basis, you barely have a leg to stand on with such obnoxious comments.
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Jeez guy, can't you see that Steve looks a bit like Gandhi and therefore would never do anything evil. Clearly round glasses mean nothing in your book!
 
EmbraceNext said:
Huge difference of "want to" and "can't". Tim Cook makes $52 million a year. No human deserves or needs that much money per year. He could be perfectly fine on half that (along with the millions and millions that the other execs make). Put the other half towards jobs. Not to mention the $117billion in cash they have sitting around. Absolutely no reason to lay anyone off at Apple. This quite frankly disgusts me.
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Flunk economics much? What a moronic statement. When did you get elected to the board of Apple, and get to be the arbiter of what someone "deserves" or "needs?" Of course he could be perfectly fine with half of that, or 1/10th of that. Or 1/100th of that. But that's not what the job pays. It apparently has a market value of $52 million per year.

And CEOs who head companies that pay surplus employees for standing around usually end up making far less than that, eventually. Unless they are hamstrung by the union. In those cases they just end up taking a golden parachute and going to run another airline.

Once you arrive in your Utopian location, where everyone gets an at bat, no matter how bad they are, and nobody gets told no, please let me know how to get there, so I can turn the opposite direction.

Or perhaps you could go to work fixing the Post Office's problems. I think we could get that turned around with a few more NPR stories on how shutting down a full service post office in a town of 50 is ripping the heart out of the community...
 
shulerg said:
Your post got me curious, so I watched one of the youtube vids of him talking his "Fives" selling strategy......ughh. Typical corporate MBA **** advocating tricking people into buying things they don't need or want. Apple does not need this.

For an example of how to really run a great retail operation, John should watch the following video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLTNfIaL5YI
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Jesus Christ, I actually watched that "Fives" vid on youtube.

Just another brain dead, scam the customer with tons of ******** middle manager.

Anyone that says "service is selling" is about as valuable to the human race as dog vomit.
 
turtle777 said:
You're not making sense.

If you had ever run a business, you would know that you react the moment you obtain new information. You wouldn't wait until the new circumstances fully materialize.



Pure speculation. And your promise doesn't mean a lot to me.

-t
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Actually what you're saying is pure speculation: you keep talking about 'new information' and 'something that Apple sees coming in the next months,' but you actually don't know what that 'something' is or of it even exists. The reason for this is that there isn't actually a 'something'. It's just cheap cost cutting tactics from the new guy who is scared the company spends too much running the stores. It's a new direction, and one that is very short sighted.

Also, your first point is strange. You don't know anything about me or what my role was at apple. I'd love to hear what business you run—is it the size of Apple? Because when you run a business of apple's size, you do not react the moment you obtain new information. You consider it, and think about it, and you don't fire hundreds of employees shortly after you hire them. There are better ways of resolving things. The way you're thinking about this is that there's some scary economic crisis coming along that apple have suddenly found out about. As someone else pointed out, if apple were transparent in this and said these people were hired temporarily then there would be no problems. The retail part of the company needs to stop making promises it can't keep.

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Technarchy said:
You're probably right. Business starters tend to have more respect for their workers than some middle manager MBA white collar scumbag that just "manages" what someone else creates.

What's the first thing a non-creative, risk averse manager thinks to do? Shrink "overhead" and report bigger profits, not how to create something better.

Either way, no one is assured a job in a free market.
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You're exactly right, and this is why it doesn't work. The pendulum of apple retail swings from being profit driven to customer driven every 6 months. It's a bizarre cycle.
 
kirby2012 said:
I worked for them for 5 years and this is irresponsible HR work at its finest. If Apple sees something coming in the next months, they would have anticipated it before hiring people. By the way, if something is coming in a few months time to change things greatly, then they can fire people then. This is nothing to do with fears of the economy, it's just a new management team cutting costs and trying to make themselves look good to corporate. They don't have the companies interests at heart, I promise you.
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My guess is they are trying to get themselves fatter bonus checks.
 
firewood said:
But would Apple be perfectly fine without Cook because some other company lured him away with a bigger pay package? Note that Browett would be in line for the job as new CEO of Apple if Cook left. How wonderful that would be?
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Spurious reasoning. Name one company that could possibly poach Tim Cook from Apple. There isn't one. What other company could offer him the power, prestige, and challenges he enjoys now? The guy has made hundreds of millions of dollars there and Apple is the last job he's ever going to have. Money means nothing at that level.

Also, Browett as next in line? First, that's scary:D Two, I'd put Phil Schiller or Forstall ahead of him. They're both product guys, and let's not forget Steve was adamantly against salespeople running the company, i.e. Scully.
 
splashnader said:
These layoffs are to cover the latest round of lawsuits Apple has filed. Those lawyers got to get paid. :apple:
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And the execs: I'm sure they all got their multimillion dollar bonuses.

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shulerg said:
Spurious reasoning. Name one company that could possibly poach Tim Cook from Apple. There isn't one. What other company could offer him the power, prestige, and challenges he enjoys now? The guy has made hundreds of millions of dollars there and Apple is the last job he's ever going to have. Money means nothing at that level.
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Sorry, but what fantasy land are you living in? The greed at that level just gets higher and higher. Why do you think there are billionaires who want for nothing, NOTHING that still go after every dollar they can as if it was life or death?
 
Still waiting for more facts MacRumors. Pretty irresponsible to post something like this when it's so thinly sourced. :rolleyes:
 
kirby2012 said:
Also, your first point is strange. You don't know anything about me or what my role was at apple. I'd love to hear what business you run—is it the size of Apple? Because when you run a business of apple's size, you do not react the moment you obtain new information. You consider it, and think about it, and you don't fire hundreds of employees shortly after you hire them. There are better ways of resolving things. The way you're thinking about this is that there's some scary economic crisis coming along that apple have suddenly found out about. As someone else pointed out, if apple were transparent in this and said these people were hired temporarily then there would be no problems. The retail part of the company needs to stop making promises it can't keep.
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I don't need to know what your role at Apple was, it obviously wasn't in a senior executive role. Your black and white thinking clearly shows that.

And no, the business I'm financially responsible for is small compared to Apple, but it's in the low 9 digits, so it's considerable.

-t
 
imageWIS said:
Sorry, but what fantasy land are you living in? The greed at that level just gets higher and higher. Why do you think there are billionaires who want for nothing, NOTHING that still go after every dollar they can as if it was life or death?
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My response was to a post claiming that executives such as Cook must be given grossly high "incentive pay" to remain with companies lest they be poached by others. I don't know why some billionaires are so greedy, nor do you.

What I do know is that for someone in Tim Cook's position (which was the whole scope of my post), money really doesn't have meaning anymore. It's not the goal, if it ever was. He has other concerns. It's the same reason why a multi-billionaire like Redstone stays at Viacom, or why Tillerson stays at Exxon. Or Zuckerberg, or freakin' Ballmer, if you please.

Power, control, the allure of building something, these are the things guys at this level care about.
 
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