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Me me me…it’s not about you, I mean fine I understand you are happy with being over promised and underdelivered, that does not make it right anyway.

People always tatke things personal, you don’t get what I am saying, and it’s fine, it was not ment for you I guess.
I said three times 'you' in my short sentence so I don't know why you think I made that about myself. And I didn't take anything personal, you are free to make your own choices!

Most of those features were tabled for 'later this year' at WWDC, so Apple didn't overpromised. Journal for example was never intended for a 17.0 release. And it's better if Apple takes the time to develop and test the features rather than rushing it to get to a fictional deadline.
 
I wonder how many times they’ll release a new OS with features delayed before they realize they can’t keep up this ridiculous yearly cycle? Maybe never, at least while the marketing people are in charge. I would love it if they switch to a two year cycle (especially on the Mac), so they can take their time and start getting things right again. They could offset them—do iOS/iPadOS one year, macOS another year. That should allow them to keep up the marketing momentum. They can sprinkle in the other devices’ software in between these two, or line it up with one of the other.
Are these numeric iOS versions fundamentally different? I imagine most of it is tweaking and tuning for multiple cycles so the whole brand new iOS every year is kind of weird for actually being meaningful outside of pairing it to a new phone every year
 
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Well this is not iOS 17 this is iOS 16 and a half.

I mean there is no point in releasing a new OS if the features are not in, just release the fixes as a minor update and when you are ready release the full os.

I think it’s time to move away from the yearly OS release.
There’s major ML rewrites across the board for core OS functionality, along with dozens of new features out of the gate.

This site….
 
  • Audio Focus feature for Apple Fitness+ that prioritizes the volume of either the music or the trainers' voices depending on your preference.
This has already been out since at least beta 3! It works great, I always found the music is way too quiet. This is especially useful during the HIIT session where you really need music to motivate you to push.
 
I'm just going to have to engage curmudgeon mode here,:)

Journal App, don't need.

Collaborative Apple Music Playlists, don't want.

Airdrop via internet, That's just a regular file transfer, don't care.

Three features involving Messages, an app I found so useless I deleted it as soon as it was possible to delete it.

Pause a podcast in Apple News, do't use apple news, so don't care.

Favorite songs playlist in Music app, I use an iPod for music, and it has a favorite songs playlist already.

Better Autofill on for PDFs, almost useful, but important stuff does not happen on my easily stolen iPad.

Fitness+, never use that.

Proximity sign in, Auto log in, I'm always suspicious of that.

Add to that we had the phone I don't need for $730 more than the flip phone that does do everything I need in a phone, and a watch with a battery life insufficient to get through one camping trip that costs $360 more than a Timex and tells time no better.

And they stopped selling biodegradable leather and are selling recycled polyester watchbands instead. And they have adopted Titanium, one of the most environmentally unfriendly non-green materials ever produced.

Talk about a clean miss of anything useful.
 
These past 5 years you notice how an OS is "near" status stable after it will be superseded by the next version. Monterey was full of bugs and was "stable" when Ventura was announced. I mean why the feck are we working on beta versions on finalised machines and basically need to upgrade to a newer OS which is basically a beta itsself etc... The same S is happening with iOS.
 
I'm just going to have to engage curmudgeon mode here,:)

Journal App, don't need.

Collaborative Apple Music Playlists, don't want.

Airdrop via internet, That's just a regular file transfer, don't care.

Three features involving Messages, an app I found so useless I deleted it as soon as it was possible to delete it.

Pause a podcast in Apple News, do't use apple news, so don't care.

Favorite songs playlist in Music app, I use an iPod for music, and it has a favorite songs playlist already.

Better Autofill on for PDFs, almost useful, but important stuff does not happen on my easily stolen iPad.

Fitness+, never use that.

Proximity sign in, Auto log in, I'm always suspicious of that.

Add to that we had the phone I don't need for $730 more than the flip phone that does do everything I need in a phone, and a watch with a battery life insufficient to get through one camping trip that costs $360 more than a Timex and tells time no better.

And they stopped selling biodegradable leather and are selling recycled polyester watchbands instead. And they have adopted Titanium, one of the most environmentally unfriendly non-green materials ever produced.

Talk about a clean miss of anything useful.
I'm sorry to be the one telling you this hard truth, but you are not the only consumer Apple is thinking about when developing new software features.
 
I wonder how many times they’ll release a new OS with features delayed before they realize they can’t keep up this ridiculous yearly cycle? Maybe never, at least while the marketing people are in charge. I would love it if they switch to a two year cycle (especially on the Mac), so they can take their time and start getting things right again. They could offset them—do iOS/iPadOS one year, macOS another year. That should allow them to keep up the marketing momentum. They can sprinkle in the other devices’ software in between these two, or line it up with one of the other.
The problem is that Apple has to answer to shareholders, and they expect a shiny, new iOS version to be introduced with every iPhone refresh to help drive sales.
 
I wonder how many times they’ll release a new OS with features delayed before they realize they can’t keep up this ridiculous yearly cycle? Maybe never, at least while the marketing people are in charge. I would love it if they switch to a two year cycle (especially on the Mac), so they can take their time and start getting things right again. They could offset them—do iOS/iPadOS one year, macOS another year. That should allow them to keep up the marketing momentum. They can sprinkle in the other devices’ software in between these two, or line it up with one of the other.
Someone gets it.
Thank you!

They could also do a Leopard / Snow Leopard kinda cycle.

1 year features the other fixes and so on.
 
The problem is that Apple has to answer to shareholders, and they expect a shiny, new iOS version to be introduced with every iPhone refresh to help drive sales.
That’s exactly the point, we have a new release for the sake of it, which, it’s pointless (other than marketing reasons)

Wich begs the question, are we really ok with shareholders driving the company? We know how it went the last time.
 
It’s not about it not being ready it’s about having new features to trickle out across the year.
Then there is no point in making a “New Version” i mean just do that “Windows 10” was supposed to do, updates / features in cycle every 3 months.
 
That’s exactly the point, we have a new release for the sake of it, which, it’s pointless (other than marketing reasons)

Wich begs the question, are we really ok with shareholders driving the company? We know how it went the last time.
Other than taking the company private, I'm not sure there is a solution. With that said, I'm not a fan of the yearly product cycle for hardware and software.
 
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It’s just a lot to hold back. Apple has been getting in the habit of announcing stuff in “beta”, that then never gets released or is released half baked years later.
Not really. Apple holds back like 7-8 features (listed above), meanwhile still ships like 70-80 new features in 17.0. It's clearly better that they hold back a few things that aren't ready without holding back everything else. Stop trying to make a big deal about nothing, enjoy the dozens of new things and have some gratitude. It's all awesome new free stuff – a bunch now, and even more later. Can't believe people find a way to complain about that.
 
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