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The presentation didn't show any VR applications, only AR applications. Will this VisionPro support truly immersive VR applications?

The promo scene where the dad hangs out with his kids with the headset on is truly some dystopian hellscape material. That's the future of spending fleeting quality time with your kids - with a computer strapped to your face.
 
Love the ideas and ideals behind the product. Love the technology and engineering that's gone into it. Love the push for augmented reality to "improve" our lives.

Don't love the fact that you create a 3D game-like avatar of your face for calls, or the idea of children having their parents witness special moments of their life with this on their face.

The design is amazing for what it can do, but there's no getting around the fact that it covers most of your face, even with the mitigating technologies Apple has built in to it.

This thing is downright cool. But it's still a solution in search of a problem.
I do feel though like holding up your iPhone blocks at least as much. Just put whatever device you have down for "those moments".
 
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this is still an early machine for pros and curious people - will take its time until there is a mass-marketable version of the product.
I might be tempted to get me one - however .... (difficult to resist)
 
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Ok, f*ck that brand. I'm done. I'll just spend 50% less for a faster, upgradable PC workstation and tim can shove this piece of garbage up his delusional ***. I'm literally p*ssed. I just wanted a REASONABLE MAC PRO and a display upgrade. Is it really that much to ask after YEARS of waiting?
Agreed, only I find Windows PCs with very high components heat up my office WAY TOO MUCH. I have done my best to not turn on my Windows PCs for very long in months due to it.
 
If I buy this headset, which will eventually arrive in Europe for 4200€ after tax, this will be third most expensive item I own, after my house and my car. I understand that new tech is always expensive at first (see first Tesla vehicles or the first personal computers for example), but VR/AR headset are NOT a new tech in 2023, and we have seeing this type of device for years. It is difficult for me to really comprehend how Apple wants to charge this kind of money for this product. Im speechless.
Do those others headsets offer a computer built in though?
 
So based on what you just said we know where we will eventually end up. The question is when does this start, and how do we get there?

Have these last 10 years with various devices like Oculus, Valve and now Apple being the genesis of where we will eventually end up. There is no question this device is going to start out niche as this entire space is niche. But if you think this eventually goes mainstream it has to start somewhere. I do not believe this is all going away like a cheap pair of 3D glasses that movie theaters give out in the 80s or what 3D TVs had 10-15 years ago. 3D in the past is just a mere 180 degree stereoscopic video.
You're acting like you're correcting me or exposing some contradiction, but I don't think you've really read all of my first initial message. I am not saying, and never did say this is all going away. I said as it is, this product specifically, people aren't going to adopt it in quantities anything like making it the next iPod, or iPhone, or Mac, or anything else they explicitly compared it to.

Like I say, look at how MS is marketing Hololens, this isn't some out of nowhere Apple thing. They are far more realistic about the near-term applications.

I think I added it to my comment while you were replying, but as I said above: this is not iPhone or iPad launch. If anything, it's a Newton. In twenty years people will agree it was ahead of its time, but people won't en masse use those ahead of their time things until the device itself is very, very different, as the iPhone was to the Newton.
 
At first I thought this would be amazing on a plane, but then realized the open air sound would be horrible on a plane for both you and the people next to you.
 
I feel the same.

I'm highly skeptical that people want to wear something bulky like Vision Pro all day, but I also think Apple did a very nice job with the product. The experience of using it, as conveyed in the keynote, seems elegant. I like the way people nearby fade in and out of view. Showing the eyes and signaling full immersion across the front of the unit is a very nice touch. It looks bulky to me, but it's obvious they've put a lot of thought into making Vision Pro comfortable.

Starting at $3499...is kind of crazy. If the starting price is $3499, I shudder to think what it costs fully loaded. Based on the keynote, it also sounds like Vision Pro, like iOS devices, does not support multiple users (although that remains to be seen). If the device can't be shared, it's hard to imagine it selling very well. The whole family needs to be able to enjoy that new interactive Disney content. Only the 0.1% will be able to buy a Vision Pro for each member of the family.

As far as a dystopian future goes, I think the trend is clear. We're merging with our technology. At the same time we're rendering our planet uninhabitable. What happens when those two trajectories intersect? What will it mean to be human? I used to think we'd leave the planet and travel through space one day. I now don't believe that will ever happen in any meaningful way. It's far more likely that we'll recreate reality digitally and ultimately become disembodied, code.

For me the creepiest thing about the Vision Pro presentation was the recording of 3D memories. I go to a lot of concerts and I just can't understand the people who essentially watch the concert through their phone screen while recording it. Those people don't experience the event. They capture it. The same thing is true for these 3D recordings the Vision Pro makes. When people are so busy worrying about capturing memories, they aren't actually experiencing or making them.

I feel like we're being conditioned more and more to experience reality through the screen. Will humans one day be forced to live in very isolated or confined conditions because of climate change and will technologies like the ones we saw today be our only escape?

Overall the Vision Pro was largely what I expected to see, although I figured it would be more tied to existing products. The fact that it's a new platform, not an accessory, is interesting. It looks a bit ridiculous, more bulky and bulbous than I expected. It's a revolutionary product in many respects, but I think Apple has a tough road ahead at that price point. The Vision Pro experience looks elegant, but will it live up to the promise when experienced firsthand? TBD.
If you subscribe to AppleTV+, that show Extrapolations already has you covered.
 
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